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BMW M Cars Are Done With DCTs, and Soon, Manuals Too The humble torque-converter automatic has, in the end, bested all comers. BY LEWIN DAY|PUBLISHED JUN 14, 2023 7:00 PM EDT https://www.thedrive.com/news/bmw-m-cars-are-done-with-dcts-and-soon-manuals-too?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1FNJBnxQSR9LAXCHofQ-aZMIlriJm-A14YQivKiPezopTM3xoGIeRT2XU The dual-clutch transmission was once hot property. It was slicker and faster to shift than a manual transmission without the doddery old reputation of a slushbox auto. Times have changed, though, and BMW has abandoned the DCT, with the three-pedal manual soon to follow. As reported by Top Gear, BMW is going all-in on automatics in the final years before full electrification. The new BMW M2 is likely to be the last manual M car, with its classic six-speed transmission. The alternative choice is an eight-speed automatic. As for the dual-clutch, it's not even part of the conversation. "The double clutch, from BMW M's point of view these days, it's gone," Dirk Hacker said to Top Gear. The Head of Development at BMW M added that "It's now manual or automatic, and automatic electrified for the future.” Above: The dual-clutch gearbox was once seen as the way of the future. BMW The prime reason the dual-clutch was dropped was due to practical concerns. The decision first centered around the M5, where BMW engineers opted for a traditional auto for comfort reasons. The dual-clutch was seen as less desirable due to its comparatively poor handling of low-speed stop-start operations, especially when parking. With that said, Hacker also notes that the modern BMW autos outperform the dual-clutche boxes, too. "In the M4 CSL it's faster shifting, and on the other side, we also use this automatic in the new M4 GTR race car," says Hacker. Fans of taking a shift-your-own adventure ought to purchase a suitable BMW sooner rather than later. Dual clutches are already dead in the BMW line-up. And, when the current crop of manuals leave the market, there won't be more coming down the line. Hacker notes that while EVs with manual gearboxes could potentially be a thing, it's not something BMW will pursue. There's no need to cry just yet; the M2 is still a brilliant three-pedal performance car that you can buy today. There are also hints the world may even see a manual Z4 down the line. However, if you're longing for a new dual-clutch for those blink-and-you'll-miss-it shifts? You're sadly already out of luck. More's the pity.
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Hi all, i have a similar question as OP as well. Can't create a new topic as i'm new to this forum, apologies. Thinking of buying my first car, budget around 30-40k and looking for manual cars preferably. With these 2 criteria in mind, i have shortlisted 2 cars - 2009 Honda Civic 1.8M and Subaru Impreza/STI (more out of budget). 1. For my first car, should i go for one with renewable COE (so that i can still sell next time) or just try try for 2-3 years and then scrape? 2. Any other manual cars available you guys would recommend? Quite hard to find manual cars nowadays... Any help would be much appreciated, cheers! -
Kinda sad that it is hard to find nowadays new cars with manual transmissions. Can anyone enlighten if one can still buy a MIT, MIJ or MIK manual transmission sedan?
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There goes a saying that “Real men drive with 3 pedals./Real men drive manual cars.”, and even though that’s not the case, most male (and female) drivers have certainly had that thought at the back of their mind when it comes to taking their license. According to the 2020 Annual Traffic Statistics, out of the 3 million citizens holding a Qualified Driving License (QDL), 1.7 million (56.9%) individuals have a Class 3 license while only 200 thousand (6.58%) individuals have a Class 3A license. While it was a no-brainer for me to take Class 3A for my driving license, my dad met my decision with a disapproving sigh before simply stating that having a Class 3 license is “simply the better option”. Most of my male (and female) relatives and friends were quick to comment on the convenience of having a manual license. “It’s better because you can drive both manual and automatic cars on the road,” my dad would often say, “and it makes you a better driver.”. Having a manual license isn't all that useful. . . Oddly enough, that sentence stuck with me throughout my teenage years – “Manual drivers are better drivers”. I wasn’t sure if I believed it wholeheartedly, to be honest. After all, my father (a manual driver) had also gotten his fair share of traffic accidents. Because of their incessant repetition of this traditional mindset, I opted to try for a manual license, only for me to realise that there isn’t a real need for me to learn how to drive with a clutch. . . . here's why: Most cars run on automatic transmission nowadays, and unless I’m intending to get a van or a sports car (that I can't afford), learning how to drive with three pedals was virtually useless. Besides the type of vehicles that one could drive with a manual license, I don’t see it as any different than having an automatic driving license. The only thing that separates these two is pride – pride in the ability to manoeuvre a transmission that is slowly going out of style. As someone who has grown up around manual drivers, I am here to tell you that having a manual license does not make you a better driver. So long as you don’t do stupid things and drive safely, you’re already 100 times better than the idiots listed below. -------- Thinking of selling your car? sgCarMart Quotz guarantees the highest selling price for your car. We’ll even give you $100 cash if you find a better offer elsewhere! Get a free quote to find out how much your car is worth today! -
JDM, Euro and Exotic sports cars For the uninitiated, sports cars consist of 3 main categories: JDM, Euro, and Exotic. These sports cars come in a bunch of varying specifications. Let me give you some examples. The Renault Megane RS is a 4-cylinder turbocharged, manual, front-wheel-drive Euro sports car. Likewise, the Mclaren 720S is a V8 twin-turbocharged, automatic, rear-wheel-drive exotic sports car. Last but not least, we have the iconic JDM street-legal rally car – The Subaru Impreza WRX, a 4-cylinder turbocharged, all-wheel-drive sports car that is available in both the manual and automatic transmission. The list goes on and on, but you get my intention, don’t you? With dozens of offerings for sports cars of varying specifications, there is always an ideal sports car for you, no matter the specifications you require and whether you can afford it. Why 2030? Unless you have been living under a rock, you would have encountered the Electric Vehicle (EV) craze surrounding us lately. According to the SG Green Plan 2030 (SGP 2030) announced during Budget 2021, we will be looking at significant changes to the status quo. Nope, I am not talking about the rise in petrol duty rates. I am referring to the phasing out of Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) vehicles by 2040, driven by these three aspects of the SGP 2030: Cessation of new diesel cars and taxi registrations from 2025 Requirement of newly registered cars to be of cleaner-energy models from 2030; and All vehicles to run on cleaner energy by 2040 What does it mean for us? The SGP 2030, coupled with our beloved COE system, is the perfect formula for phasing out ICE cars in Singapore. Unfortunately, this will spell the demise of JDM, Euro and Exotic sports cars alike. From 2030 onwards, the supply of ICE sports cars will be what we currently have in the market. As such, does this mean that the low supply of ICE sports cars drives its market value up? If you wish to drive your dream Nissan GTR, BMW M4 or Lamborghini Aventador in the future, you better pray hard that its current owner renews its COE. Then again, it would be best to consider the maintenance and upkeep cost required for these ageing cars before purchasing them in the future. Similarly, manual transmission cars will be phased out eventually. Here's why. EVs have an electric motor in place of an ICE vehicle’s “engine” by using a single-speed transmission that regulates their electric motor. Except for the Porsche Taycan, which uses a Two-Speed gearbox. As such, EVs come only in automatic transmissions, and the phasing out of existing manual transmission ICE cars means the demise of manual transmission cars. Electric Sports Cars Yes, they are insanely fast. Yes, it produces instantaneous torque. But can we consider them as true-blue sports cars? Aside from the speed and torque, car enthusiasts also seek the pleasure of high engine revs, the burbling exhaust sound and, most importantly, the liberty to modify various car performance components – None of which an electric sports car is capable of fulfilling. Furthermore, the single-speed transmission that regulates its electric motor seems like a bore that takes the fun out of driving compared to manual gear shifts or the quick gear shifting of DCT transmissions. For those Gen Y & Z car enthusiasts out there, I will do one for you. — Here’s a plea to those of you that currently own any sports car; please renew your COE so that the future generations of car enthusiasts will have a chance to own the car of our (childhood) dream someday. Last Thoughts The golden question here is, will a manual (class 3) license still be relevant in the near future? If it is irrelevant and deemed obsolete, this will remove any segregation between the community’s existing “Class 3 vs 3A” mentality. If you are unaware of the "Class 3 vs 3A" commotion, read the article below: --- Thinking of selling your car? sgCarMart Quotz guarantees the highest selling price for your car. We’ll even give you $100 cash if you find a better offer elsewhere! Get a free quote to find out how much your car is worth today! -
While waiting at the traffic to turn green, do you have the habit to blow your exos like every few seconds?
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Hi everyone, I am looking for a manual for the Subaru Exiga. If anyone is willing to sell or can direct me to a source, I will truly appreciate. It is a long shot but who knows. Thanks.
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This Chinese Electric Car Designed For Driving Schools Has A Fake Manual Transmission source: https://jalopnik.com/this-chinese-electric-car-designed-for-driving-schools-1844071179 I was really, really tempted to do a more click-baity headline there and not tell you why this Chinese EV designed for Driving Schools was so weird, but I feel like I’m already kind of pushing it lately with this glut of Chinese car content, so I backed off. But, I assure you, you need to see this because it’s so wonderfully, perversely, deeply weird. It’s an EV with an entirely fake manual transmission. It’s sort of like a driving simulator that’s also a real, un-simulated car. It’s a mindf**k and it’s also absolutely a product of this very specific era we live in. The car is the Chery New Energy eQ2 Driving School Version, and from what I can tell, it was released in 2018. It looks like the impetus behind this deeply strange machine came from a desire to eliminate emissions from driving school vehicles, which tend to do a lot of sitting and idling, burning fuel and expelling exhaust gases, needlessly. EVs solve this issue, but, in a country still dominated by manual transmission, internal combustion cars, EVs can’t effectively teach students how to drive manuals. The car is based on the Cowin C3, a conventional, even boring ICE small sedan, and in its Chery eQ2 guise gets a 57 horsepower electric motor and enough batteries to give it a range of around 250 miles, which is decent, even if the power is about the same as what was listed for a 1970 VW Beetle. Or about four horses more than my Nissan Pao. The Driving School variant adds a tachometer, clutch pedal, and five-speed shifter. All of which, are, of course, fake. Well, the parts are real enough, but what they do is all an illusion. The various inputs of clutch and shifter work with software in the car that cause it to behave like a manual, ICE car, with shift points, simulated engine sounds, and it can even “stall” if you let off the clutch too quickly. It’s kind of like if you had a jet aircraft with a fake propeller and fake piston-engine controls and displays inside, sort of? Really, beyond cars like those Subarus with CVT transmissions that fake shift points, I can’t think of another car that has done anything quite this bonkers. I may see if the Lane Museum would be interested to buy one of these, because it’s such a strange artifact of this particular transition era that I feel like at least one deserves preservation. Plus, I’d really love to know what this crazy thing feels like to drive, in that manual simulation mode. I bet it’s very weird.- 23 replies
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Hi all, I had been away from sg for 3 years. May i ask what is the manual car available in the current market right now? Both new and used car. Thank you. -
.. A day since I collected my Cayman and the feeling of driving a manual really exhlirates me tons. Even more so when the amount of torque that one can gain from 3 onwards is magnificient. Found joy again in driving, cf mundane transport with the auto gearbox. The porker's gearbox is superb and with the sound coming from the flat 6, is just heaven! So, folks out there, would you trade your auto for a manual anytime? What would your considerations be? Fire away
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Hi folks, probably feeling a tad suicidal or something but was wondering if any of you here owned fiats before? I saw a listing for a used Fiat 500 manual and got me tingling abit. Was wondering if it is really as horrific as it was thought to have been? Or perhaps in some ways, the drive and ownership is somewhat rewarding? or the tradeoffs perhaps? Some tips of the trade or some some? Any tip would be good. Thanks
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Thankfully, BMW has confirmed that its upcoming M3 sedan and M4 coupe will be available with a manual transmission. As reported by BMW Blog and Carscoops, BMW M Chief Executive Markus Flasch announced the news when he was asked in an interview whether or not there will be any surprises for BMW fans with the new M3 and M4. It’s a bit early to disclose all the details but something I want to highlight is that we will have a manual stick shift,” he said. “We have already disclosed we will have the option of four-wheel drive. We’ve not decided which variant, which system, but everything that’s on our current lineup; think of the M5; can be made available. The M3 and M4, I’ve driven the pre-production cars already and they’re fantastic.” Flaschadded on, “Manual is very important. The manual stick shift is not a performance-bringer, because an automatic transmission is just faster, you can ask any race driver,” he said. “But it gives the vehicle character and I kind of compare it to people who love mechanical watches; it isn’t more precise and it doesn’t have any advantage at all but it’s a character feature. So is a stick shift.” There is no confirmation on whether the M3/4's all-wheel drive system will have a rear-wheel drive mode like the M5, but we would be surprised if it didn't.
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Wow!! I just checked a few websites (honda, toyota, kia) on their models, almost none are offering manual transmission?!? I understand that most people will go for the auto, but definitely there'll be some go for manual one. I mean how difficult it is to have an option for manual? Just blardy import the car in as like an auto?? Are there more paperwork?? Mechanic dunno how to service a manual ride?? The factory no longer producing manual transmission?? It's not like they stock up manual vehicles in their showroom and not able to sell (they order then ship in usually). So why they don't even offer it anymore still buffles me. If BMW, Audi, VW, Merc were to offer manual transmission, i'm pretty sure there will be orders for them too. Anyone wanna shed some light?? -
Aston Martin Vanquish likely to come with manual gearbox
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In an interview with Aston Martin Chief Executive Andy Palmer, Car Sales, an Australian publication, found out that the new Vanquish is likely to get a manual gearbox. Going against the trend, the upcoming mid-engined car will of course get another transmission option but we are pleasantly surprised to hear of another sports car manufacture other than Porsche who would offer a self-shifting option to its customers. That said, Palmer did not specifically say ‘yes’ directly when he was interviewed. “I’ve already made a commitment that I want to be the last manufacturer in the world to offer manual sports cars and I want to honour that commitment,” Palmer remarked. The new car will be using an aluminum platform and a twin-turbocharged V6 with a small electric motor, and while the company hasn’t said how much grunt it will have, you can expect it to have around 800bhp or so. -
Mazda MX-5 owners still rooting for the manual gearbox
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Last week, we published a post where we reported that two thirds of the Toyota 86s sold in US were automatics. However, Mazda begs to differ with some stats of their own and give the manual transmission supporters some hope. U.S. publication Autoblog spoke to Mazda PR program manager Tim Olson and was told that a staggering 76% of the MX-5 buyers in America selected the manual transmission option, leaving the rest with the six-speed automatic. Being the purer car, the sales data was based on the soft-top version of the car from July 2018. As for the MX-5 RF, 52% of the sales in the past 12 months were made up of stick shift cars while the remaining 48% sold have the automatic gearbox. While the above numbers do proof that driving enthusiasts are still voting with their money for manual gearboxes, it is weird to find Toyota reporting that only 33% of its 86 buyers opt for the self-shifting option. -
Jetta GLI's manual gearbox is a good anti-theft device
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With more and more brands abandoning the manual gearbox, the amount of drivers being able to drive cars equipped one also lessens day by day. With that in mind, Volkswagen USA thinks that its latest Jetta GLI, when optioned with a manual gearbox, would easily deter thieves. In its latest commercial for the sports sedan, it portrayed the aforementioned idea in just that way. However, while it was cheeky of them to come out with this advertisement, they did put a small line at the end of the video saying, “Legally we have to tell you that you should always lock your car, so you should lock your car." to make sure viewers should only take it as a joke. It is unknown whether the latest Jetta GLI will make it to our sunny shores. -
Lamborghini did consider making a manual Aventador or Huracan
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The Porsche 911 GT3 proved that there’s still demand for high-end sports cars with manual transmissions. But why didn't Lamborghini follow suit? Motor Trend posted this question to Lamborghini Chief Executive Stefano Domenicali and he replied saying that Lamborghini did actually researched on whether it made sense to offer manual gearboxes for special edition models of the Huracan and Aventador supercars. Unfortunately, the costs were too high. He went on to elaborate with a case study: if Lamborghini were to build a special edition Aventador with a manual gearbox, cap production to 200 units, and price it $25,000 (S$33,800) above the ‘regular’ Aventador, that would only generate an additional $5 million (S$6.76 million) for the company. It doesn't help that there is no other vehicle in the Volkswagen Group family which it could share a transmission with too. Meanwhile the Huracan might have been able to use the Audi R8's manual gearbox but sadly the six-speeder is no longer produced and again, Lamborghini wouldn’t be able to justify building one from the ground up. Adding on, Lamborghini's researched also deduced that its manual take rate wouldn’t be as high the Porsche GT3 customers' take up rate of more than 50%. -
Don't see this thread before but I think it was discussed before in other forums. How do you move off or accelerate in an auto car? Do you 1) jam the accelerator 2) move off slowly, release accelerator, press again and release then press.... 3) light pressing of accelerator until desired speed I believe few will do number 1. But I heard driving instructors teach both 2&3 so lai lai let's discuss. Who do what and why and is it better? We had a thread on manual cars so let's talk about auto cars.
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Can I use ATF on my manual car?Wat oil should I use?Driving Lancer
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Are they the same? Same effect on starter motor? Something that I have been wondering about.
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A few months ago I got this manual accent. No issues with it except for this. Occasionally I cannot engage the first gear or the reverse gear from neutral gear. This happens when my car is stationary. So far no major issue with this except late moving off from traffic light or a bit delayed in reverse parking. I checked with the AD during my 1000 km and 5000 km check and they say nothing wrong and maybe it's how I stepped on my clutch. The thing is, this failure to engage still happens once in a while and in my car park i ever tried to replicate this by changing gear with my clutch not fully depressed half depressed and so on but not able to replicate the failure to engage. So I don't know if it's my fault or there is something wrong with transmission fluid or so on.... So I wondering if anyone ever faced this before and what was the cause. AD say nothing wrong with gear box. I ever thought of going to an external workshop if it happens again but I worry I kenna chopped carrot.
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My Current car's COE is going to end next year, during my past around 20 years driving experience, always Manual, Sedan, NA engine, therefore my next car: 1. Must be: SUV + Turbo with decent Price 2. Better to be: Manual (it's a Dream Only) , MIJ, good FC, 3. Never consider: Sedan, Conti(Overpriced and low reliability) and Korean (roughness) brands based on above criteria, easily narrow to following: 1. Forester XT (wait for new gen launching next year) Pros: Attractive price, Powerful engine, fast acceleration, specious interior, AWD Cons: High FC, High Insurance, CVT, Burn engine oil (Hear said), Subaru Badge (ah Beng) 2. CRV-1.5T Pros: Low FC, Low road tax (1.5L only), low insurance, Honda badge(reliability), My current and past cars all Honda(loyalty discount if any), Cons: Ridiculers high price, underpowered (1.5L only), FWD only, only 2 Airbag for 5seat model, CVT, MIT, 3. Harrier 2.0T Pros: Powerful engine, fast acceleration, specious interior, Toyota Badge(reliability), DCT, Decent FC, Cons: FWD only, price High, Kindly advise Which one should I...
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any 1 selling swift sport owner's manual?? thks in advance..
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So... Story goes I ordered a study table with shelf from ezbuy. Cheap at $45 and looks decent. The problem is... Item arrived and there's no manual. Too many nuts, bolts, screws whatever of all different shapes and sizes, and I suspect even with missing screws. The unfixed table has been left sitting at my house for the past two months. I don't wanna classify it under the white elephant purchase on ezbuy yet, so, my question is... In such a situation where you have furnitures bought online and unable to fix yourself, are there any contacts we can call to get them to fix for us, maybe even use their own tools etc, and then we pay them for labor? TIA.
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Seem like now difficult to find manual gear car, any make or model to recommend? If not, have to look at second hand car already.
