Aion V

[Jmontfort]

@Lethalstrike the AION V also has a 3C battery (twice as fast as 90kW), a credible range of 485km and a very comfortable interior space.  I like the heated seats with 8 point massage.  The fridge is not really useful, but I may try to buy from Magnum back from Malaysia when I take delivery of my new AION V.

[13177]

On 3/25/2025 at 10:34 AM, Jmontfort said:

@Lethalstrike the AION V also has a 3C battery (twice as fast as 90kW), a credible range of 485km and a very comfortable interior space.  I like the heated seats with 8 point massage.  The fridge is not really useful, but I may try to buy from Magnum back from Malaysia when I take delivery of my new AION V.

Got fridge in this car? Lol.

[Lethalstrike]

On 3/25/2025 at 10:34 AM, Jmontfort said:

@Lethalstrike the AION V also has a 3C battery (twice as fast as 90kW), a credible range of 485km and a very comfortable interior space.  I like the heated seats with 8 point massage.  The fridge is not really useful, but I may try to buy from Magnum back from Malaysia when I take delivery of my new AION V.

No, please don't be mistaken as I'm not making fun of the Aion V and implying that its a car which is dependent on gimmicks to sell 😅 

It's a general observation I have with that the chinese evs are putting in everything except the kitchen sink into their cars as standard features, whether you will actually use it or not. Props to you if you like the fridge! 

480km WLTP range is on paper. Its likely this car will do 380-400km max when charged to full in reality. 

 

[Jmontfort]

@Lethalstrike hi, you are right.  So far I have re-charging at around 20% and the range that I have observed is about 400km done.  I think easily can drive to KL from my house with a full charge.  I just need to avoid breaking the speed limit on the NS highway. 

[125Pegasus]

@Lethalstrike I think its not wrong to say that the value proposition for this car is the series of equipement, used to differentiate from the rest of the competition. I can think of a variety of scenerios that i will be using the fridge. I say its somewhat good to have(of cse its not a necessity) and handy  to store dairy products like chocolates/milk/ice cream while i continue to shop or go for dinner. Or maybe having some chilled Pocari Sweat right after long run at ECP will be nice. 

 

To top it off, i think the table is also useful to get some work done. The car should be good as a mobile workpod when parked. With the typical EV benefit of running air conditioning while idle, its a good place to work or catch some rest(while waiting for kids classes to end). Well, like earlier mentioned, this car is not for everyone. Its not the typical sporty looking/driving ride that most people like. I will get a Cupra Tavascan if i wanted those. Or a Tesla Model 3 in a heartbeat if im in my 20s. Feels like a civic 2 decades ago. Better still the Model 3 performance for the Type R vibes. Haha.

Edited March 25, 2025 by 125Pegasus

[125Pegasus]

@Jmontfort Nice to see a fellow V owner here. I see we have similar taste for boxy off-roady design.  haha.  

I remember some frens commenting on my ugly ride when i first acquire the Forester.  After awhile, it became quite mainstream on the road. Looking for forward to collect my V real soon...

Edited March 25, 2025 by 125Pegasus

[steveting99]

On 3/25/2025 at 7:32 PM, Jmontfort said:

@Lethalstrike hi, you are right.  So far I have re-charging at around 20% and the range that I have observed is about 400km done.  I think easily can drive to KL from my house with a full charge.  I just need to avoid breaking the speed limit on the NS highway. 

With an LFP battery, can charge to 100% all the time and not worry about battery degradation unlike the NMC type found in other BEVs. This is what I like about LFP battery chemistry where battery can be charged up to 1000%. NMC batteries will suggest to limit charging to 80% (unless one is doing long distance road trips) and thus impact driving range. I.e. 20% to 80% of the battery capacity (or 60%) can be utilized for NMC. Compared to 20% to 100% (or 80%) battery capacity with LFP.  

So looks like the range is about right on zero to 100% battery doing 480kms.

Most will top up between 15% to 20% battery level to full and give a normal driving range of 400km+.

[drwatson]

@125Pegasus 

SG definitely ok with China brand, I mean look at how well byd is selling.

[13177]

On 3/29/2025 at 2:22 AM, drwatson said:

@125Pegasus 

SG definitely ok with China brand, I mean look at how well byd is selling.

Ok or not ok, maybe no choice if you want to buy an EV car, since most EV is china made. Esp if you are looking for a not so ex EV car, surely come from china.

[125Pegasus]

@drwatson I think its an overstatement. I do see much resistance online where people claimed they will never get a china made or even an EV.  Eventually they may be left w no choice after the phasing out of ICE vehicles.

I feel that BYD is selling well because of their pricing strategy to get a pie of the market share. It has the first mover advantage here. Afterall, its a mass market brand thus the sales volume. If im not wrong its also the brand with widest range of EV models for selection here. 

Anyway, cars here are exorbitantly priced so many will want something that can flant their spending with the big purchase. i think it will take time for stingma against China made cars to be desolved completely. 

So will you rather a Xiaomi Su7 Ultra or a Posrche GT3 or better still a Yangwang U9 or a Lamborghini Revuelto. Haha

[Jmontfort]

@125Pegasus I agree with your views.  For now China-made EVs is global no. 1.  Quality is progressive and almost all electronic stuff is made in China, anyway.

 

The AION brand in fact can be viewed to be more credible.  With Honda and Toyota as their early masters, they have been manufacturing global standard automobiles much earlier than many other Chinese brands.  They are fundamentally weaker in marketing compared to say BYD and loses out in tech image compared to Tesla.

I have been driving the V for 2 weeks and for a family EV, it ticks many of the right boxes for me.  The boxy shape and the big interior space is really good on me.

[drwatson]

@125Pegasus 

I think online is not a good gauge of the sentiment of China cars. I just use BYD as an example. A lot of other Chinese brands are well received here as well, denza, zeekr, Aion and xpeng.

[steveting99]

The manual air vents is a nice feature on the Aion V. Much better than going through the touch screen and going through multiple sub-menus to simply adjust the direction of air while driving on the road. 

Would like to see more EVs implement this is simple feature.

[steveting99]

@125Pegasus Do you know why GAC or EV Hub (VinCar) decided to limit the power output of the Aion V to just 100kW (134 bhp) instead of the upper limit of 110kW (148 bhp) - while still qualifying as a Cat A?

The reason I ask is that Tesla Model 3 (Cat A version) has a software power limit of 110kW (148 bhp) rather than 100kW (134 bhp). 

Edited April 14, 2025 by steveting99
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[125Pegasus]

@steveting99 I wouldn't know since its more of their cooperate decision for marketing it here. I understand that Nepal's version too have 100kw. It could be a decision to collectively produce scale down version for selected regions to meet the needs. For economy of scale, they may not want to come up w too many versions either, thus 100kw capped for some specific regions.

 

But thats all my guess. May not make too much sense. If u needed an answer for whatever reason, should be better to ask the sales for their rational. 

[Soundphile]

On 3/25/2025 at 10:32 AM, Jmontfort said:

The AION V is the smoothest driving Cat A EV SUV that I have tried.

which other EV you found that they are not smooth driving? 

[steveting99]

LTA has released their numbers on cost of cars for Mar-2025 which includes Aion V.

Open Market Value (OMV) of Aion V average value is $31.9k

Excise Duty (20% of OMV) works out to be $6.4k

Goods and Services Tax (GST) is 9% of OMV + excise duty, which works out to be $3.4k

Additional Registration Fee (ARF) is a tiered tax based on OMV with 100% on 1st $20k, 140% between $20k to $40k, 190% between $40k to $60k, 250% between $60k to $80k and finally 350% after $80k. For Aion V the ARF comes out to $36.6k

Since Aion V falls in A1 band of the Vehicle Emission Scheme (VES) there is a rebate of -$25k.👍

LTA also gives an EV Early Adoption Incentive (EEAI) rebate based on the VES and EEAI not exceeding the total value of ARF, or a maximum of -$15k or 45% of ARF - which ever is lower. The EEAI rebate on the Aion V comes to -$11.6k. So the VES and EEAI totally offsets the ARF tax.🤑

IU reader cost is $0.16k

Registration fee is $0.35k

1st year road tax (inclusive of $0.7k fuel surcharge on EV) is $1.5k

Sub-Total of costs including OMV, excise duty, GST, ARF, VES, EEAI and registration costs before Cat A CoE is $43.7k

Cat A CoE (as at 17-Apr-2025 and reported on SG Carmart) is $97.7k

Thus basis cost before VinCar (EV Hub) AD mark up is $43.7k + $97.7k = $141.4k

Current sales price as reported on SG Carmart on the Aion V is $180k

VinCar (EV Hub) mark up is $38.6k or 121% of OMV value on the Aion V. I consider the AD margin to be a bit excessive and there is room to negotiate the price down further with AV Hub.

 

[Jmontfort]

On 4/19/2025 at 4:50 PM, steveting99 said:

LTA has released their numbers on cost of cars for Mar-2025 which includes Aion V.

Open Market Value (OMV) of Aion V average value is $31.9k

Excise Duty (20% of OMV) works out to be $6.4k

Goods and Services Tax (GST) is 9% of OMV + excise duty, which works out to be $3.4k

Additional Registration Fee (ARF) is a tiered tax based on OMV with 100% on 1st $20k, 140% between $20k to $40k, 190% between $40k to $60k, 250% between $60k to $80k and finally 350% after $80k. For Aion V the ARF comes out to $36.6k

Since Aion V falls in A1 band of the Vehicle Emission Scheme (VES) there is a rebate of -$25k.👍

LTA also gives an EV Early Adoption Incentive (EEAI) rebate based on the VES and EEAI not exceeding the total value of ARF, or a maximum of -$15k or 45% of ARF - which ever is lower. The EEAI rebate on the Aion V comes to -$11.6k. So the VES and EEAI totally offsets the ARF tax.🤑

IU reader cost is $0.16k

Registration fee is $0.35k

1st year road tax (inclusive of $0.7k fuel surcharge on EV) is $1.5k

Sub-Total of costs including OMV, excise duty, GST, ARF, VES, EEAI and registration costs before Cat A CoE is $43.7k

Cat A CoE (as at 17-Apr-2025 and reported on SG Carmart) is $97.7k

Thus basis cost before VinCar (EV Hub) AD mark up is $43.7k + $97.7k = $141.4k

Current sales price as reported on SG Carmart on the Aion V is $180k

VinCar (EV Hub) mark up is $38.6k or 121% of OMV value on the Aion V. I consider the AD margin to be a bit excessive and there is room to negotiate the price down further with AV Hub.

 

Steve, 

What is your purpose in writing this informative but maybe flawed analysis?

You need to go down and negotiate and see what is the entire package and give us a more accurate analysis.

I don't think we buy cars based on dealer profit and markups.  It is the overall package.  The V is clearly a superior option in the market right now.

I have recommended the V to several friends and they have agreed that the value that V presents is unbeatable especially the future proofed fast charging battery, the front massage seats, heated front seats, etc etc cannot be found in competitive models.

Upon checking trade in value of their used cars with EV Hub's trade in booster and given discounts, the price of the AION V is effectively more competitive than the atto 3, which they were also considering.

I said your analysis is flawed because you did not consider the other actual trading factors, the numbers do not reveal the real deal.