Chinese car brands gain confidence amongst S'porean car owners: survey

[Thaiyotakamli]

On 11/24/2024 at 6:11 PM, Voodooman said:

Except top of the line Nvidia GPU chips.  😂😂😂

Not sure if they will ever catch up but in EV, they are now the clear leader.

Many tsmc and nvidia engineers now hired by chinese

Be like tesla hire engineers from brembo, b&o, amd, apple etc 

[Lala81]

On 11/24/2024 at 2:39 PM, Voodooman said:

Did you get to test drive? Or you can’t as a foreigner? 

Ford CEO Farley said that his experience driving the SU7 has been a "significant epiphany" that highlights how Western automakers lag behind Chinese companies.

The skeptics should go test drive a Chinese EV, like the Seal. I went away pretty impressed. Can’t imagine what Denza, Xiaomi or other premium Chinese EV makers can offer vis-a-vis the Germans.

You need to have China or hk driving license. For foreign journalist when they invited to go prc. They can only test within private carpark or private test track facilities. 

[Lethalstrike]

On 11/24/2024 at 1:22 PM, Rskc said:

Er...the weight is heavy but due to flat batt across the floor of car, a normal cheapo EV drives better any FWD ICE. If the chinese EV is coupled with RWD driven motor, it becomes god-sent car with very reasonable price tag vs say the famed bmw 3 series 50/50 RWD, here we talking about 150k upwards RWD EV vs 250k min BASIC 318i ICE RWD. Almost no brainer. The only advantage i would say conti ICE has is the matured software and electronics which the chinese may not have tested in more scnearios before releasing in EVs.

I used to be like you, very doubtful of chinese EV...until I testdrove RWD Chinese EV. 😄 I have to say, I was wrong. I have come across bimmer/merc owners moving to Xpeng/MG.

Before I am being labelled as chinese EV advocate, I am a blue propeller fan for decades and still am. 😎

Agree with everything you've said except the point highlighted 😄

Chinese are better at software, Tesla is better at software. MB, Audi, BMW, Volvo and all the legacy auto brands are now playing catch-up when it comes to software. Japanese? They even more jialat when it comes to software. Just take BYD as example. They have 110,000 engineers based in the new Shenzhen HQ engineering all aspects of vehicle development. Their software engineers increased by at least 4,000 positions.

https://technode.com/2024/09/13/chinas-byd-builds-2-8-billion-global-rd-center-filing-says/

All the legacy automakers too used to outsource their software development and are now trying to do the complete stack of software development in-house. I take Volvo again as an example of what they are trying to do now,

https://www.media.volvocars.com/global/en-gb/media/pressreleases/283545/future-volvo-cars-to-run-on-volvo-operating-system-as-company-takes-software-development-in-house

[Lala81]

On 11/25/2024 at 1:19 PM, Lethalstrike said:

Agree with everything you've said except the point highlighted 😄

Chinese are better at software, Tesla is better at software. MB, Audi, BMW, Volvo and all the legacy auto brands are now playing catch-up when it comes to software. Japanese? They even more jialat when it comes to software. Just take BYD as example. They have 110,000 engineers based in the new Shenzhen HQ engineering all aspects of vehicle development. Their software engineers increased by at least 4,000 positions.

https://technode.com/2024/09/13/chinas-byd-builds-2-8-billion-global-rd-center-filing-says/

All the legacy automakers too used to outsource their software development and are now trying to do the complete stack of software development in-house. I take Volvo again as an example of what they are trying to do now,

https://www.media.volvocars.com/global/en-gb/media/pressreleases/283545/future-volvo-cars-to-run-on-volvo-operating-system-as-company-takes-software-development-in-house

The Japanese mindset tends to accommodate the slowest to adopt. That's why they still use fax. And lot of physical cash. 

They can't be like Tesla who insist everyone do without physical buttons simply to save costs on their side and engineering simplicity. 

Prc also break the boundaries since they skipped straight to handphone digital age. 

[Rskc]

On 11/25/2024 at 12:19 PM, Lethalstrike said:

Agree with everything you've said except the point highlighted 😄

Chinese are better at software, Tesla is better at software. MB, Audi, BMW, Volvo and all the legacy auto brands are now playing catch-up when it comes to software. Japanese? They even more jialat when it comes to software. Just take BYD as example. They have 110,000 engineers based in the new Shenzhen HQ engineering all aspects of vehicle development. Their software engineers increased by at least 4,000 positions.

https://technode.com/2024/09/13/chinas-byd-builds-2-8-billion-global-rd-center-filing-says/

All the legacy automakers too used to outsource their software development and are now trying to do the complete stack of software development in-house. I take Volvo again as an example of what they are trying to do now,

https://www.media.volvocars.com/global/en-gb/media/pressreleases/283545/future-volvo-cars-to-run-on-volvo-operating-system-as-company-takes-software-development-in-house

I cant say you are wrong.😁 You are correct. What I meant is the German's would test and test and test until really good enough then release. Chinese maybe would test only major scenarios and release. Some chinese EVs already had phantom breaking or overly aggressive lane keeping assist that I myself come across. It is not abt intro new softwares (which the chinese are extremely good) but the maturity of it. If you know what I mean here. 🙂

Edited November 25 by Rskc

[Lethalstrike]

On 11/25/2024 at 3:17 PM, Lala81 said:

The Japanese mindset tends to accommodate the slowest to adopt. That's why they still use fax. And lot of physical cash. 

They can't be like Tesla who insist everyone do without physical buttons simply to save costs on their side and engineering simplicity. 

Prc also break the boundaries since they skipped straight to handphone digital age. 

No, it isn't exactly about their societal norms when it comes to Japanese's automotive engineering. When the competition has already moved on 5-speed auto in the same segment, the all-time great top selling Toyota Vios still has the ancient 4-speed auto from 1st to 3rd generation. Sometimes, they are way too conservative for their own good.

Now when a quantum leap in battery tech and software are both required to be competitive, they again are still slow off the line. Compared to their nearest neighbour South Korea, they are quite far behind the engineering curve. South Korea has LG Chem and SK On as domestic battery manufacturing powerhouses, but Japan still has Panasonic. 

I'm of the view that the problem is not with the Japanese engineers, but their business-types running their car companies are too slow to react. Stubborn even. The saving grace is that they already recognised this, after experiencing the onslaught of their ICE products by Chinese EV offerings in China. Closer to home, Toyota is already sweating looking at how BYD is increasing their market share of new passenger cars in Thailand.   

[Lethalstrike]

On 11/25/2024 at 3:29 PM, Rskc said:

I cant say you are wrong.😁 You are correct. What I meant is the German's would test and test and test until really good enough then release. Chinese maybe would test only major scenarios and release. Some chinese EVs already had phantom breaking or overly aggressive lane keeping assist that I myself come across. It is not abt intro new softwares (which the chinese are extremely good) but the maturity of it. If you know what I mean here. 🙂

Ok, fair enough. But you have to see which German. Volkswagen is known for their buggy software on their latest ID series of EVs. 😆

[Rskc]

On 11/25/2024 at 3:56 PM, Lethalstrike said:

Ok, fair enough. But you have to see which German. Volkswagen is known for their buggy software on their latest ID series of EVs. 😆

Ya, I have heard of ID SW bugs. Maybe I should add the word "premium" in front of Germans. 😁 

[Lala81]

This is quite weird lol. 

https://qz.com/byd-telsa-competitor-apple-ipads-china-1851711055

[Heartbreakid]

This is a transition time in the automotive world. Is just like when Koreans picked up and become same level or better than the Japanese, many Jap supporters defended very strongly, while some doubtful about the Korean cars, while minor few accepted it with an open mind. This transition time is going to be much faster because the Chinese has picked up and improved so fast at a pace much faster than the Japs or Koreans. From the way BYD progresses, they are the next "Toyota".

[Jamesc]

Welcome back Ford Scorpio!

Love your new shiny paint work!

Edited December 5 by Jamesc

[Jamesc]

People criticised this car so severely

but you time has come!

Edited December 5 by Jamesc