Bread Van selection - Noah, Spada Stepwgn, Serena

[Lala81]

  On 3/16/2025 at 2:30 PM, 13177 said:

You are confidence next year coe will drop significantly?

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天知人算. 

[Soya]

  On 3/16/2025 at 4:15 AM, Lala81 said:

 

Comparison between cat A 5+2 seaters with 16k depre. 

 

Freed

Price

Current price non guaranteed 6 bid 169k.

Price fixed whether loan or full cash. Loan is 2.68% interest.

Coe 92.7k

Omv is 20k. Scrap value is around 8+k.

Depre therefore is around low 16k/yr

 

Colors: Seabed blue and sonic Grey

No more HS7 trim.

Only trim will be HE7 (higher trim)

 - ACC with low speed follow and braking mitigation. Walk away auto lock, dual power doors. rear aircon, leather seats

 

Warranty

Hybrid battery warranty 200k km or 10 years.

3 yr free servicing. 5 years unlimited mileage warranty.

 

Pros

2nd and 3rd row Bench cushion is quite thick. Floor higher same as m6. But legroom is adequate to stretch out. 

Steering has good weight and accurate compared to byd. Low city speed not completely silent though.

Very easy to access 3rd row with the foldable seats. 3rd row is more comfortable than m6.

But less boot space with all 3 rows up.

 

Cons

*No BSM (also no lane watch)

*Poor arm rests

 - No arm rest due to sliding door for middle row

 - Driver and front passenger arm rest is too skinny. Not comfortable.

*Boot access more troublesome due to the boot door size. No power tailgate I think. 

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If any AD insist I let them lowball me by compulsory trade in or pay extra, I'll walk 

The helpful SE will always seek 'permission' from his equally helpful sales manager to waive 

 

[Heartlander]

  On 7/25/2024 at 12:00 AM, Lala81 said:

Waiting for coe drop during peak supply so will only buy new. 

Odyssey hybrid has the same 2.0 ehev drive train. Is another 30k up and also a bigger vehicle. My wife will be driving quite a bit also. Prefer something a tad smaller. Hence the small mini van series. 

 

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My opinion now is that the Odyssey Hybrid Facelift at 235k is the best full-size MPV for those who want lots of space and yet want something that is not thirsty and not ready for EV. I never consider this after owning Vellfire and know how thirsty such ICE cars are. 

Another long car that might interest you is the latest Superb Combi that is launched at $225k and is L&K variant with only 1.5L engine. Was at Skoda Service Centre last Friday doing servicing but unfortunately the car would be in showroom only early this week onwards.

With all round cam, driving 4.8m cars are not difficult actually. Happy car hunting.

[kmttan]

I was at Vincar on Sat and saw Odyssey, Spada and Noah. I think space wise, Spada and Noah are bigger and the seats are more versatile. 

Comparing Spada and Noah, the net difference seems to be $4K, with Spada being more expensive, with its additional power rear door and 2L engine. Currently torn between these 2. Noah's exterior looks more aerodynamic but its inside is more old school. I like Noah's rear storage because of its hidden compartment. 

Anyone considering these 2?

[Scholesy]

  On 4/6/2025 at 11:53 PM, kmttan said:

I was at Vincar on Sat and saw Odyssey, Spada and Noah. I think space wise, Spada and Noah are bigger and the seats are more versatile. 

Comparing Spada and Noah, the net difference seems to be $4K, with Spada being more expensive, with its additional power rear door and 2L engine. Currently torn between these 2. Noah's exterior looks more aerodynamic but its inside is more old school. I like Noah's rear storage because of its hidden compartment. 

Anyone considering these 2?

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haha ya thats the thing about buying fr PI - cant test drive. 

im driving the older Noah and i also went to see the current spada. my views are if you wan a more powerful drive, quieter NVH, higher spec (power tailgate, leather dashboard, steering wheel, factory roof spoiler) than the spada will beat the noah. the noah being typical toyota is quite noisy on expressways. 

the pros for the new noah - yes the exterior design does look a little bit better than spada. space config i also feel noah more roomy and more comfy wider middle seats. FC spada from fb is around 15 while noah is better.

thk the above shd b the main diff. if wan lower running costs, then choose noah. if wan better drive, then spada. 

 

[Lala81]

  On 4/6/2025 at 11:53 PM, kmttan said:

I was at Vincar on Sat and saw Odyssey, Spada and Noah. I think space wise, Spada and Noah are bigger and the seats are more versatile. 

Comparing Spada and Noah, the net difference seems to be $4K, with Spada being more expensive, with its additional power rear door and 2L engine. Currently torn between these 2. Noah's exterior looks more aerodynamic but its inside is more old school. I like Noah's rear storage because of its hidden compartment. 

Anyone considering these 2?

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What did they quote you around? Same as their website? 

[kmttan]

Yes, same as their website, which is $202K vs $201K. But as part of their road show, Spada has $2K "gift" while Noah has $5K. Hence, net $4K diff.

[kmttan]

  On 4/7/2025 at 12:39 AM, Scholesy said:

haha ya thats the thing about buying fr PI - cant test drive. 

im driving the older Noah and i also went to see the current spada. my views are if you wan a more powerful drive, quieter NVH, higher spec (power tailgate, leather dashboard, steering wheel, factory roof spoiler) than the spada will beat the noah. the noah being typical toyota is quite noisy on expressways. 

the pros for the new noah - yes the exterior design does look a little bit better than spada. space config i also feel noah more roomy and more comfy wider middle seats. FC spada from fb is around 15 while noah is better.

thk the above shd b the main diff. if wan lower running costs, then choose noah. if wan better drive, then spada. 

 

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thanks for pointing out that Noah can be noisy. I guess it is due to 1.8L vs 2.0L that Noah will need to work harder at high speed. The sales also said that both are using the same type of battery, but parts for Noah will likely be more readily available and cheaper. 

Another thing i compared: Noah's dashboard edge to the wind screen is also further, about 1phone length. This means Noah dashboard will feel more expansive. 

[Tohto]

  On 4/7/2025 at 5:11 AM, kmttan said:

thanks for pointing out that Noah can be noisy. I guess it is due to 1.8L vs 2.0L that Noah will need to work harder at high speed. The sales also said that both are using the same type of battery, but parts for Noah will likely be more readily available and cheaper. 

Another thing i compared: Noah's dashboard edge to the wind screen is also further, about 1phone length. This means Noah dashboard will feel more expansive. 

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My experience with Toyota engine match to their CVT is always noisy. 

[inlinesix]

  On 4/7/2025 at 6:54 AM, Tohto said:

My experience with Toyota engine match to their CVT is always noisy. 

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CVT usually need to slowly increase engine rev.

Once engine rev and speed is matched, then can step harder.

[Lala81]

When accelerating, the difference between eHEV and toyota hybrid engines are quite different. Definitely the eHEV is nicer to drive.

[Tohto]

  On 4/7/2025 at 7:27 AM, inlinesix said:

CVT usually need to slowly increase engine rev.

Once engine rev and speed is matched, then can step harder.

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My former Forester XT CVT feel almost non CVT like at sport. 

[Tohto]

  On 4/7/2025 at 8:02 AM, Lala81 said:

When accelerating, the difference between eHEV and toyota hybrid engines are quite different. Definitely the eHEV is nicer to drive.

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Even when I drove the rental RAV 4 2.5 Hybrid in Hokkaido last year, I didn't like it.

[Lala81]

  On 4/7/2025 at 8:26 AM, Tohto said:

Even when I drove the rental RAV 4 2.5 Hybrid in Hokkaido last year, I didn't like it.

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That's why I'm not considering the PI Sienta hybrid even though it's cheaper than the Freed

[inlinesix]

  On 4/7/2025 at 8:24 AM, Tohto said:

My former Forester XT CVT feel almost non CVT like at sport. 

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It is likely to have a preset ratio during moving off similar to Honda CVT (newer model)

[inlinesix]

  On 4/7/2025 at 8:30 AM, Lala81 said:

That's why I'm not considering the PI Sienta hybrid even though it's cheaper than the Freed

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I stood next to Honda ZRV eHEV.  It is no different from EV when it moved off.

[Atrecord]

@Lala81

your turn to look at MPVs 😄

i didn't come in much and posted even less the last year+ cos at one point it was so frustrating to load the pages, esp when trying to post...

looks like you have considered most/all things with your MPV hunting.

now down to freed vs m6?

i was quite interested in Serena c27 ~4 yr ago, but the skyrocketing of COE dampened the interest, and i haven't been checking out the newer MPV options since, and can't contribute much. Not sure how much boot space do these 2 options have...

The only one thing i like to ask: do you foresee the need to occupy the 3rd row seats often? The Wish was an ideal solution to a lot of young families ~20 yr ago, and we had one for ~13 yr, when kids were growing up.

But looking back, it was quite a risk (which I didn't realise till much later, but stuck with it nevertheless...), as the headrest of the 3rd row seat was within ~1 inch from the rear windscreen. If there were to be any vehicle slamming the rear of the vehicle at some speed, and if there's someone sitting on 3rd row, chances of injuries (or worse) is much higher than those with at least some boot space...

I know you have considered many things and read that you mentioned budget... but at this stage, i think safety/peace of mind should be given some/higher weightage - if you foresee ferrying your parents/in-laws on regular basis.

We've had 3 vehicles kissing the rear of the Wish in the ~13 yr we had it, and all 3 were not v serious and importantly, all 3 times 3rd row was not occupied. So yes, the chances of it (3rd row occupied and kena rear impact) happening is v low. But still, if i'm going to make the decision again, i'll definitely bite the bullet and pay a bit more for a vehicle that has some boot space to take some of the impact from the rear (if ever it happens) and can serve as buffer from 3rd row in the event of impact.

[Lala81]

  On 4/9/2025 at 3:19 AM, Atrecord said:

@Lala81

your turn to look at MPVs 😄

i didn't come in much and posted even less the last year+ cos at one point it was so frustrating to load the pages, esp when trying to post...

looks like you have considered most/all things with your MPV hunting.

now down to freed vs m6?

i was quite interested in Serena c27 ~4 yr ago, but the skyrocketing of COE dampened the interest, and i haven't been checking out the newer MPV options since, and can't contribute much. Not sure how much boot space do these 2 options have...

The only one thing i like to ask: do you foresee the need to occupy the 3rd row seats often? The Wish was an ideal solution to a lot of young families ~20 yr ago, and we had one for ~13 yr, when kids were growing up.

But looking back, it was quite a risk (which I didn't realise till much later, but stuck with it nevertheless...), as the headrest of the 3rd row seat was within ~1 inch from the rear windscreen. If there were to be any vehicle slamming the rear of the vehicle at some speed, and if there's someone sitting on 3rd row, chances of injuries (or worse) is much higher than those with at least some boot space...

I know you have considered many things and read that you mentioned budget... but at this stage, i think safety/peace of mind should be given some/higher weightage - if you foresee ferrying your parents/in-laws on regular basis.

We've had 3 vehicles kissing the rear of the Wish in the ~13 yr we had it, and all 3 were not v serious and importantly, all 3 times 3rd row was not occupied. So yes, the chances of it (3rd row occupied and kena rear impact) happening is v low. But still, if i'm going to make the decision again, i'll definitely bite the bullet and pay a bit more for a vehicle that has some boot space to take some of the impact from the rear (if ever it happens) and can serve as buffer from 3rd row in the event of impact.

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Infrequent use. Maybe once a week 6 pax at most. Usually short journeys. They stay at clementi. So only between my sis place at West coast to clementi actually. Which is usually just a 8min drive.

Or sometimes when I bring them out for dinner when my sis is not in SG.

That's why i switched my target to a 5+2. 

If I'm not wrong, the M6 still has a slight boot space. Freed the back headrest is near the glass liao.

 

 

Edited April 9 by Lala81