Voodooman Supersonic June 19 Share June 19 On 6/19/2024 at 10:41 AM, Kklee said: IMHO. Hybrid could be opposite. I am getting about 20% more than the claimed WLTP km/L. 🤣 Just curious, what hybrid are you driving? More than 1200km on 1 tank. I need to buy one. ↡ Advertisement 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kklee 6th Gear June 19 Share June 19 (edited) On 6/19/2024 at 4:38 PM, Voodooman said: Just curious, what hybrid are you driving? More than 1200km on 1 tank. I need to buy one. IMHO. Toyota Corolla Cross Hybrid - based on last pump full tank, calculation should be about 1000km. WLTP is around 800km. Average should be around 95 km per full tank. The 1200 km I think came about because usually is 80% ( if like EV ) therefore need to be rated at 1200km in order to get 1000km. 🤣 P.S. FC figures still in experimental stage. Last full tank using Techron Concentrate and close to recommended tyre pressure. Apparently, higher tyre pressure "worse" FC ? 🤣 Edited June 19 by Kklee 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vratenza Supersonic June 20 Share June 20 (edited) On 6/18/2024 at 1:26 PM, Lethalstrike said: Sometimes those who said they got duped into buying an EV and got disappointed are those who drank the entire EV marketing kool-aid. I mean if a brand advertise it as 550km WLTP range, you will need to deduct 20% in real world range. And if you charge to 80% only to preserve batt life, its even lesser. They discovered this is the truth during ownership and swear that they won't be touching an EV ever again. In Singapore...what is WLTP? I am even prepared to go Mini EV (one of the shittiest range) if I am convinced of my own use case scenario. Issues I have with EVs: 1) stupid EV road tax 2) EV rebate that AD makan up front and you pay for it later when you sell 3) battery degradation and electric motor degradation that no sane 2nd hand buyer in the market is willing to take the risk for unless you willing to take a serious hair cut off the selling price 4) slow charging (anything more than 15min full top up is slow). Edited June 20 by Vratenza 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lethalstrike Turbocharged June 20 Share June 20 On 6/20/2024 at 11:00 AM, Vratenza said: In Singapore...what is WLTP? I am even prepared to go Mini EV (one of the shittiest range) if I am convinced of my own use case scenario. Issues I have with EVs: 1) stupid EV road tax 2) EV rebate that AD makan up front and you pay for it later when you sell 3) battery degradation and electric motor degradation that no sane 2nd hand buyer in the market is willing to take the risk for unless you willing to take a serious hair cut off the selling price 4) slow charging (anything more than 15min full top up is slow). No.1 & 2 are uniquely Singapore, so its CCB PAP and LTA 🤣 No.2 one can still argue can buy a Tesla as they are direct. But still doesn't change the fact that when you scrap, VES and EEAI will be deducted from your ARF. No.3 is fair enough of a concern. The electric motor should really be the least of your concern. Battery wise you can always go back AD and pay a fee and ask them to do a readout of the actual SoH (State of Health). High powered DC fast chargers (>250kW output) are still not a common place here. And not many EVs can do faster than 200kW on DC charging also. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Hypersonic June 20 Share June 20 (edited) On 6/20/2024 at 11:00 AM, Vratenza said: In Singapore...what is WLTP? I am even prepared to go Mini EV (one of the shittiest range) if I am convinced of my own use case scenario. Issues I have with EVs: 1) stupid EV road tax 2) EV rebate that AD makan up front and you pay for it later when you sell 3) battery degradation and electric motor degradation that no sane 2nd hand buyer in the market is willing to take the risk for unless you willing to take a serious hair cut off the selling price 4) slow charging (anything more than 15min full top up is slow). 1. Road tax for ICE car is seriously outdated, it should be aligned to EV. 2. That’s not an issue if you buy Tesla. 3. Battery is not an issue unless you drive 20k km per annum. Used car dealer will always find reasons to press price. 4. Condo ppl issue, mostly Edited June 20 by inlinesix 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Hypersonic June 20 Share June 20 On 6/20/2024 at 11:56 AM, Lethalstrike said: No.1 & 2 are uniquely Singapore, so its CCB PAP and LTA 🤣 No.2 one can still argue can buy a Tesla as they are direct. But still doesn't change the fact that when you scrap, VES and EEAI will be deducted from your ARF. No.3 is fair enough of a concern. The electric motor should really be the least of your concern. Battery wise you can always go back AD and pay a fee and ask them to do a readout of the actual SoH (State of Health). High powered DC fast chargers (>250kW output) are still not a common place here. And not many EVs can do faster than 200kW on DC charging also. If 1 didn’t pay for the rebate, it is non-issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vratenza Supersonic June 20 Share June 20 (edited) On 6/20/2024 at 11:56 AM, Lethalstrike said: No.1 & 2 are uniquely Singapore, so its CCB PAP and LTA 🤣 No.2 one can still argue can buy a Tesla as they are direct. But still doesn't change the fact that when you scrap, VES and EEAI will be deducted from your ARF. No.3 is fair enough of a concern. The electric motor should really be the least of your concern. Battery wise you can always go back AD and pay a fee and ask them to do a readout of the actual SoH (State of Health). High powered DC fast chargers (>250kW output) are still not a common place here. And not many EVs can do faster than 200kW on DC charging also. I am as much of an anti-Tesla as I am anti-Apple. I am not anti-EV as @RadX always like to say... Both may manufacture arguably decent products...but IMHO, mostly for people who don't do much critical thinking......right @RadX? Fire blanket on! Edited June 20 by Vratenza 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadX Moderator June 20 Share June 20 On 6/20/2024 at 12:18 PM, Vratenza said: I am as much of an anti-Tesla as I am anti-Apple. I am not anti-EV as @RadX always like to say... Both may manufacture arguably decent products...but IMHO, mostly for people who don't do much critical thinking......right @RadX? Fire blanket on! I use android and apple so … what’s ur point😂😂 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mersaylee Hypersonic June 20 Share June 20 Must do the ripe comparison for the greater wellness...😋 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vratenza Supersonic June 20 Share June 20 On 6/20/2024 at 12:22 PM, RadX said: I use android and apple so … what’s ur point😂😂 my point is .... choosing Tesla is not an option to convince someone like me to get into EV just because Tesla pass on the full rebate to the buyers. but... no body cares 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadX Moderator June 20 Share June 20 On 6/20/2024 at 12:51 PM, Vratenza said: my point is .... choosing Tesla is not an option to convince someone like me to get into EV just because Tesla pass on the full rebate to the buyers. but... no body cares you no need calculator ah? @Tianmo asking😃 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tianmo Hypersonic June 20 Share June 20 On 6/20/2024 at 12:53 PM, RadX said: you no need calculator ah? @Tianmo asking😃 KNN you think calculator can suka suka one ah? Must be educated first hor, non Tesla education one give abacus only, then no need to press. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tohto Hypersonic June 20 Share June 20 On 6/19/2024 at 10:54 PM, Kklee said: IMHO. Toyota Corolla Cross Hybrid - based on last pump full tank, calculation should be about 1000km. WLTP is around 800km. Average should be around 95 km per full tank. The 1200 km I think came about because usually is 80% ( if like EV ) therefore need to be rated at 1200km in order to get 1000km. 🤣 P.S. FC figures still in experimental stage. Last full tank using Techron Concentrate and close to recommended tyre pressure. Apparently, higher tyre pressure "worse" FC ? 🤣 If you are going very light foot to achieve claim FC, please keep to left lane. I will enjoy the addition power then trying to achieve tge FC target. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tohto Hypersonic June 20 Share June 20 On 6/20/2024 at 12:18 PM, Vratenza said: I am as much of an anti-Tesla as I am anti-Apple. I am not anti-EV as @RadX always like to say... Both may manufacture arguably decent products...but IMHO, mostly for people who don't do much critical thinking......right @RadX? Fire blanket on! Same same.. No Tesla and Apple for me 😂😁 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kklee 6th Gear June 20 Share June 20 On 6/20/2024 at 1:10 PM, Tohto said: If you are going very light foot to achieve claim FC, please keep to left lane. I will enjoy the addition power then trying to achieve tge FC target. IMHO. No need to be light footed - just use DRCC, no need use foot. 🤣 I did one tank mostly set to power mode, difference about 50km. 🤣 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kklee 6th Gear June 20 Share June 20 On 6/20/2024 at 12:18 PM, Vratenza said: I am as much of an anti-Tesla as I am anti-Apple. I am not anti-EV as @RadX always like to say... Both may manufacture arguably decent products...but IMHO, mostly for people who don't do much critical thinking......right @RadX? Fire blanket on! IMHO. I would say am anti-Tesla and anti-Apple - buy competitors to help them both to improve. 🤣 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadX Moderator June 20 Share June 20 On 6/20/2024 at 12:51 PM, Vratenza said: my point is .... choosing Tesla is not an option to convince someone like me to get into EV just because Tesla pass on the full rebate to the buyers. but... no body cares Any way u jus anti papSMEAR la😂 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodooman Supersonic June 20 Share June 20 On 6/19/2024 at 9:54 PM, Kklee said: IMHO. Toyota Corolla Cross Hybrid - based on last pump full tank, calculation should be about 1000km. WLTP is around 800km. Average should be around 95 km per full tank. The 1200 km I think came about because usually is 80% ( if like EV ) therefore need to be rated at 1200km in order to get 1000km. 🤣 P.S. FC figures still in experimental stage. Last full tank using Techron Concentrate and close to recommended tyre pressure. Apparently, higher tyre pressure "worse" FC ? 🤣 Claimed FC of Toyota Cross Hybrid on its 43L tank is 1,100km but 1000km per tank is very decent and really fuel sipping. Charging infrastructure aside, based on my back of envelope calculation, a Tesla 3 is however still cheaper to run if you exclude the additional road tax (maybe $1k more?) but I will take the 6s Tesla 3 over the Toyota anytime, the drive is a lot nicer. They are in the same price point of $200k, I think. ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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