Battle of the 2000km range PHEVs

[Tianmo]

Did i mention that the day is near and that if the rest are not careful, PRC cars coming into PHEV from full EVs are going to hit them hard. 

Expect more China brands coming into this segment with longer and longer ranges. 

Now i am excited. 

https://carnewschina.com/2024/03/28/geely-and-byd-claim-2000-km-range-for-phev-systems/

https://carnewschina.com/2024/03/29/live-chery-challenge-2000-km-range-in-a-phev/

 

[macrosszero]

Actually how much range is too much? Because if you were carting around that much petrol before you actually used it, part of the consumption goes to carrying around excess weight. Of course, the simple solution is to carry only as much fuel to match the availability of petrol stations in your particular station but still......

[Beanoyip]

It'll come a day where BEVs will have 1000+km range as well..

[Tianmo]

On 4/1/2024 at 5:57 AM, Beanoyip said:

It'll come a day where BEVs will have 1000+km range as well..

The Xiaomi SU7 pro already claimed a CLTC range of 830km, not far from from the 1000km mark, so yah the day is near.

 

[Ct3833]

On 3/31/2024 at 9:19 PM, Macrosszero said:

Actually how much range is too much? Because if you were carting around that much petrol before you actually used it, part of the consumption goes to carrying around excess weight. Of course, the simple solution is to carry only as much fuel to match the availability of petrol stations in your particular station but still......

The tank capacitiy will still be 50L to 70L, shoulnt be too much.  They might be able to reduce the tank further to save on weight even, imagine if the range is reduced to 1000km, then the tank size will be halfed.   Good thing about PHEV is its ability to remove range anxities. So far we have seen most Jap manufacuterrs have been sticking to PHEVs, guess there must be some longer term benefits or  strategy behind. 

Edited April 1 by Ct3833

[Thaiyotakamli]

I think any range ard 600-800 is good enough

 

anything more either carry too much fuel and too heavy

 

unless the car can carry less than 40L and hit 1000km lol

[Lethalstrike]

All sounds good and dandy. My million dollar question is, ah tiong's internal combustion engine tech can make it or not? 

I know battery and EV tech they are leading lah 😁

 

[Volvobrick]

On 4/1/2024 at 8:57 AM, Ct3833 said:

The tank capacitiy will still be 50L to 70L, shoulnt be too much.  They might be able to reduce the tank further to save on weight even, imagine if the range is reduced to 1000km, then the tank size will be halfed.   Good thing about PHEV is its ability to remove range anxities. So far we have seen most Jap manufacuterrs have been sticking to PHEVs, guess there must be some longer term benefits or  strategy behind. 

No no you want a big tank so we can top up 1/4 of a very big tank, making it worthwhile to pump in JB.... 😆

Edited April 1 by Volvobrick

[Voodooman]

I think 600-700km range is good enough for a city state like SG where EV chargers are almost everywhere now and will get to every car park by 2025.

Not really watching range but price. Hope the price war in Tiong country will bring down EV prices to those of ICE soon.  

[inlinesix]

On 4/1/2024 at 12:49 PM, Volvobrick said:

No no you want a big tank so we can top up 1/4 of a very big tank, making it worthwhile to pump in JB.... 😆

Like g-wagen 100L huh
🤭

[Tianmo]

On 4/1/2024 at 10:48 AM, Lethalstrike said:

All sounds good and dandy. My million dollar question is, ah tiong's internal combustion engine tech can make it or not? 

I know battery and EV tech they are leading lah 😁

 

when you cannot accept, smlj also no good. when you can accept, smlj also is ok one lah. 

[Carbon82]

New record, again from the Chinese.

The record was achieved through an adventurous journey with 1,600 m (5,249 feet) of altitude difference, low temperatures (as low as -8°C), and different kinds of terrains. Amazing to say the least!

Roewe D7 PHEV Covers A Record-Breaking 2,208 Km Without Refuelling Or Recharging

Chinese automakers have stepped up the game in terms of PHEVs and EREVs, promising impressive figures for their combined range. The SAIC-owned Roewe took a step further, achieving a Guinness World Record for the longest distance covered by a PHEV without refueling or recharging – a staggering 2,208 km (1,372 miles).

The record-breaking model is the Roewe D7 DMH, the plug-in hybrid version of the midsize sedan, introduced in China in 2023. A production-spec vehicle covered 2,208 km (1,372 miles) in four days, passing from the cities of Lanzhou, Zhangye, Jiuquan, Turpan, and Urumqi.

Interestingly, the route was neither flat nor limited to smooth tarmac roads in ideal temperature conditions as you would normally expect from an efficiency-focused record run. Instead, the Roewe D7 DMH was driven on gravel, dirt, snow, ice, and wet tarmac, with a 1,600 m (5,249 feet) altitude difference, and temperatures as low as -8°C (17.6°F).

Footage uploaded on Weibo shows the electrified sedan crossing parts of the Gobi desert, and climbing mountains before reaching its destination. The fuel cap and the charging port were covered by stickers throughout the journey. Furthermore, the VIN was checked by officials, to make sure it was the same car that started and finished the test.

The plug-in hybrid powertrain of the Roewe D7 DMH comprises a naturally-aspirated 1.5-liter gasoline engine producing 110 hp (82 kW / 112 PS), and an electric motor generating 201 hp (150 kW / 204 PS). The ICE has an advertised thermal efficiency of over 43% and is connected to the coaxial P1 drive unit.

The official numbers suggest that the PHEV has a combined range of 1,400 km (870 miles), including the EV-only range of 125 km (78 miles). This means that the record run was 808 km (547 miles) over the claimed figures, proving that an experienced driver can make a huge difference in how far one can travel on a single tank of gasoline. Overall, the average fuel consumption of the test was 2.49 lt/100km (94.5 MPG).

It remains to be seen if a rival automaker will challenge Roewe’s record. Judging from the specs of existing production models, the next record-breaking PHEV will most likely originate from China.

[Heartlander]

On 10/29/2024 at 6:47 AM, Carbon82 said:

New record, again from the Chinese.

The record was achieved through an adventurous journey with 1,600 m (5,249 feet) of altitude difference, low temperatures (as low as -8°C), and different kinds of terrains. Amazing to say the least!

Roewe D7 PHEV Covers A Record-Breaking 2,208 Km Without Refuelling Or Recharging

Chinese automakers have stepped up the game in terms of PHEVs and EREVs, promising impressive figures for their combined range. The SAIC-owned Roewe took a step further, achieving a Guinness World Record for the longest distance covered by a PHEV without refueling or recharging – a staggering 2,208 km (1,372 miles).

The record-breaking model is the Roewe D7 DMH, the plug-in hybrid version of the midsize sedan, introduced in China in 2023. A production-spec vehicle covered 2,208 km (1,372 miles) in four days, passing from the cities of Lanzhou, Zhangye, Jiuquan, Turpan, and Urumqi.

Interestingly, the route was neither flat nor limited to smooth tarmac roads in ideal temperature conditions as you would normally expect from an efficiency-focused record run. Instead, the Roewe D7 DMH was driven on gravel, dirt, snow, ice, and wet tarmac, with a 1,600 m (5,249 feet) altitude difference, and temperatures as low as -8°C (17.6°F).

Footage uploaded on Weibo shows the electrified sedan crossing parts of the Gobi desert, and climbing mountains before reaching its destination. The fuel cap and the charging port were covered by stickers throughout the journey. Furthermore, the VIN was checked by officials, to make sure it was the same car that started and finished the test.

The plug-in hybrid powertrain of the Roewe D7 DMH comprises a naturally-aspirated 1.5-liter gasoline engine producing 110 hp (82 kW / 112 PS), and an electric motor generating 201 hp (150 kW / 204 PS). The ICE has an advertised thermal efficiency of over 43% and is connected to the coaxial P1 drive unit.

The official numbers suggest that the PHEV has a combined range of 1,400 km (870 miles), including the EV-only range of 125 km (78 miles). This means that the record run was 808 km (547 miles) over the claimed figures, proving that an experienced driver can make a huge difference in how far one can travel on a single tank of gasoline. Overall, the average fuel consumption of the test was 2.49 lt/100km (94.5 MPG).

It remains to be seen if a rival automaker will challenge Roewe’s record. Judging from the specs of existing production models, the next record-breaking PHEV will most likely originate from China.

Frankly this car was launched almost exactly a year ago, yet now then it want to lay claim to this glory? And using this kind of challenging terrain some more? If what it want is fame, isn't it more logically to do the stunt on flat ground which would definitely result in much better distance thus creating much greater wow factor as that is where the general public use the car thus giving more confidence?  And if the car is so good in this aspect, has its buyers been waxing lyrical over this aspect thus sharing much in public forums/media? TBH I am suspicious of Chinese cars as they have a habit of inflating claims. Hopefully this is not one of them. Of course not all of them are so guilty, some much more than others.

[Heartbreakid]

I wonder what about BYD's DM5.0 with Qin and Seal 06 launched this year that generate just as much hype when the media actually achieves over 2000km range. If I recall correctly, one even achieves more than 2200km.

[Kklee]

IMHO.
If my hybrid have the same size fuel tank,  based on my last full tank on normal terrain, by calculation,  my mileage will increase from 1050km to 1342km.  Maybe refuel once every 20 days. 😆  I think is more practical there should be some test on normal usage to reach the goal of refuel / recharge every 30 days.   🤔

 

[Brass]

the million dollar qn is how long my tank can last without being emptied 

 

[Volvobrick]

On 10/29/2024 at 7:59 AM, Heartlander said:

Frankly this car was launched almost exactly a year ago, yet now then it want to lay claim to this glory? And using this kind of challenging terrain some more? If what it want is fame, isn't it more logically to do the stunt on flat ground which would definitely result in much better distance thus creating much greater wow factor as that is where the general public use the car thus giving more confidence?  And if the car is so good in this aspect, has its buyers been waxing lyrical over this aspect thus sharing much in public forums/media? TBH I am suspicious of Chinese cars as they have a habit of inflating claims. Hopefully this is not one of them. Of course not all of them are so guilty, some much more than others.

All brands inflate their fuel economy/mileage one.... 

[ER-3682]

On 4/1/2024 at 10:48 AM, Lethalstrike said:

All sounds good and dandy. My million dollar question is, ah tiong's internal combustion engine tech can make it or not? 

I know battery and EV tech they are leading lah 😁

 

I ask you,German & Italian's ICE can make it.?Not Really.