Singapore ‘open to’ idea of one-off rise in vehicle population

[Calinlin]

So we expect the island to have 20%, 30%, 40% population increase without needing more vehicles.

Cool idea!

[Benarsenal]

On 3/5/2024 at 9:44 PM, Calinlin said:

So we expect the island to have 20%, 30%, 40% population increase without needing more vehicles.

Cool idea!

Yes, everyone squeeze MRT

[inlinesix]

On 3/5/2024 at 9:44 PM, Calinlin said:

So we expect the island to have 20%, 30%, 40% population increase without needing more vehicles.

Cool idea!

Car lite

[Columbian78]

Today in parliament,

1. The minister for transport (Chee Hong Tat) says need careful studies for one-off rise in vehicle population.

Ref: https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/companies-markets/transport-logistics/singapore-open-to-idea-of-one-off-rise-in-vehicle-population-with-higher-usage-based-charges-chee

2. The minister of state for transport (Amy Khor) says need careful studies for separate COE category for private hire vehicles.

Ref: https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/companies-markets/transport-logistics/private-hire-coe-category-possible-but-needs-careful-study-new-measures-to-stabilise-private-hire-taxi-supply

I thought such studies should already had been carried out and today they should be presenting the results and proposals in parliament. These are not new issues.

Maybe new minister just came in need time. Previous minister too occupied with other affairs.

 

Edited March 5 by Columbian78
update

[Stratovarius]

Erection is cumming!

[Stratovarius]

On 3/5/2024 at 10:45 PM, Columbian78 said:

Today in parliament,

1. The minister for transport (Chee Hong Tat) says need careful studies for one-off rise in vehicle population.

Ref: https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/companies-markets/transport-logistics/singapore-open-to-idea-of-one-off-rise-in-vehicle-population-with-higher-usage-based-charges-chee

2. The minister of state for transport (Amy Khor) says need careful studies for separate COE category for private hire vehicles.

Ref: https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/companies-markets/transport-logistics/private-hire-coe-category-possible-but-needs-careful-study-new-measures-to-stabilise-private-hire-taxi-supply

I thought such studies should already had been carried out and today they should be presenting the results and proposals in parliament. These are not new issues.

Maybe new minister just came in need time. Previous minister too occupied with other affairs.

 

I see. So many studies they did are not careful I guess. Like simplycannot go and the 3pc erp2.0 meal.

[macrosszero]

Gahment will allow more people to own cars but not be able to afford to use them as much as they’d like

Song bo?

[inlinesix]

On 3/5/2024 at 9:30 PM, Invigorated said:

A lot is subjective but 'drop' is likely and that's why the implied need to increase other indirect forms of tax e.g. usage tax thru erp, parking tax...

More cars also mean more petrol taxes for the govt, but soon we will see $10 erp or even $20 erp. Matter of time. 

If you want to save, don't drive.

If you want to drive, be a slave..

This has been my suggestion for years. ERP charges for the month is based on rollin average speed over past 3 month vs speed limit.

difference btw 0 and 10: $0

difference btw 11 and 20: $10

difference btw 21 and 30: $20

difference btw 31 and 40: $30

difference btw 41 and 50: $40

difference > 50:$50

[Vratenza]

On 3/5/2024 at 7:10 PM, Blueray said:

Singapore ‘open to’ idea of one-off rise in vehicle population, with higher usage-based charges: Chee

SINGAPORE is open to reviewing the idea of a one-off increase in its vehicle population, spread over a few years and accompanied by higher vehicle-usage charges to prevent congestion, said Transport Minister Chee Hong Tat on Tuesday (Mar 5).

But the trade-offs “are not straightforward, and need to be studied carefully before a decision is made”, he added during the debate in Parliament on his ministry’s budget.

Member of Parliament Saktiandi Supaat had asked if distance-based charging could allow Singapore to increase the total vehicle population while still achieving its car-lite vision.

Chee said his ministry was “open to reviewing the idea” of a one-off increase with higher charges. These usage-based charges could include location and time-based fees – as with the existing Electronic Road Pricing (ERP) system – or distance-based charging, where road users pay depending on how far they travel.

“However, it is not feasible to (rely only) on usage-based charges to prevent traffic congestion, as these would have to be set at very high rates, which might not be acceptable to many car owners,” he said.

Singapore would still need other ownership controls and measures such as parking charges, he added.

He also noted that taxi, private-hire car and delivery drivers would face higher usage-based fees as they travel longer distances. “We will need to examine the impact on these groups, though usage-based charging is, in principle, a fair approach,” he said.

The Land Transport Authority began the roll-out of the new ERP 2.0 system’s On-Board units last November. These units are equipped with satellite-based technology that can support distance-based charging, though the statutory board said at the time that there were “no immediate plans” to transition away from the current system.

https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/companies-markets/transport-logistics/singapore-open-to-idea-of-one-off-rise-in-vehicle-population-with-higher-usage-based-charges-chee

hmmm ... 

When has it been an issue of no zero growth policy? We have all been fine and dandy with the fixed number of COEs fpr years.... Until PHVs/car rentals (bluesg/getgo) starts to replace Taxis on the road. 

Correct me if I am wrong, Taxis as a special categpry, do not deplete the Cat A/B/E quotas. 

So there we go again... Barking up the wrong tree... 

[Tohto]

On 3/5/2024 at 9:41 PM, Volvobrick said:

Ebikes, PMDs will be the solution! No ERP, no ARF, no COE, no parking charges, no fares, no rules, no worries! 

PMA better, can squeeze 4 persons and riding on the road...

[Columbian78]

On 3/5/2024 at 10:58 PM, Macrosszero said:

Gahment will allow more people to own cars but not be able to afford to use them as much as they’d like

Song bo?

This policy was last executed not long ago, during Raymond Lim time. COE less than 20k for long time.

I think it will happen again, this time.

[Voodooman]

Looks like current COE premium is not at a level to call a GE yet.  Can expect more "goodies" to come.

I would have applauded such a move to usage based charges a few years ago but our bureaucrats have such a habit of screwing up, we might end up with high COE and high ERP charges, mai lah mai lah.

[Voodooman]

On 3/5/2024 at 8:45 PM, Unltd said:

These ideas are not new and they were mulling over it for years, it is going to be an unpopular opinion but if you really want to tax, you should be taxing those who use the car less higher. 

Can consider setting up a tiered system where the first XXKM of usage is 50% higher than base, lower the tax down each bracket then give a discount for the higher usage tiers.

That way people still pay based on distance but at least the cars are put to good use, if you want to go car lite, you should be looking at less cars but heavier usage.

It disadvantages the folks who have multiple cars and drive them very little, anyways they can well afford it. Why do you want to burden those workhorses who are ferrying the less well off more, and the cost goes to them. 

If road charges are based on distance traveled, how would it disadvantage those with a few cars?  

[Mkl22]

On 3/5/2024 at 8:45 PM, Unltd said:

These ideas are not new and they were mulling over it for years, it is going to be an unpopular opinion but if you really want to tax, you should be taxing those who use the car less higher. 

Can consider setting up a tiered system where the first XXKM of usage is 50% higher than base, lower the tax down each bracket then give a discount for the higher usage tiers.

That way people still pay based on distance but at least the cars are put to good use, if you want to go car lite, you should be looking at less cars but heavier usage.

It disadvantages the folks who have multiple cars and drive them very little, anyways they can well afford it. Why do you want to burden those workhorses who are ferrying the less well off more, and the cost goes to them. 

You PHV driver ah? Drive more got discount. 🤣

[Mkl22]

On 3/5/2024 at 11:57 PM, Voodooman said:

Looks like current COE premium is not at a level to call a GE yet.  Can expect more "goodies" to come.

I would have applauded such a move to usage based charges a few years ago but our bureaucrats have such a habit of screwing up, we might end up with high COE and high ERP charges, mai lah mai lah.

No need to give face… just say LTA screw up…… simi simi bureaucrass….too complicated 🤣

Edited March 5 by Mkl22

[t0y0ta]

On 3/5/2024 at 11:17 PM, Vratenza said:

When has it been an issue of no zero growth policy? We have all been fine and dandy with the fixed number of COEs fpr years.... Until PHVs/car rentals (bluesg/getgo) starts to replace Taxis on the road. 

Correct me if I am wrong, Taxis as a special categpry, do not deplete the Cat A/B/E quotas. 

So there we go again... Barking up the wrong tree... 

I believe Taxis do not need to bid, but they will take the COE (and price) from Open Cat

[Daniu82]

On 3/5/2024 at 10:45 PM, Columbian78 said:

Today in parliament,

1. The minister for transport (Chee Hong Tat) says need careful studies for one-off rise in vehicle population.

Ref: https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/companies-markets/transport-logistics/singapore-open-to-idea-of-one-off-rise-in-vehicle-population-with-higher-usage-based-charges-chee

2. The minister of state for transport (Amy Khor) says need careful studies for separate COE category for private hire vehicles.

Ref: https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/companies-markets/transport-logistics/private-hire-coe-category-possible-but-needs-careful-study-new-measures-to-stabilise-private-hire-taxi-supply

I thought such studies should already had been carried out and today they should be presenting the results and proposals in parliament. These are not new issues.

Maybe new minister just came in need time. Previous minister too occupied with other affairs.

 

Careful studies is the new term for monitoring? I think just collect more money for high mileage users and continue to collect money from normal users since they are starting to use the new IU system. 

[jcmm]

On 3/5/2024 at 8:31 PM, inlinesix said:

That’s peanuts as compared to GST😁

As long as it milks, who cares