No one wants used EVs, making new ones a tougher sell too

[ER-3682]

On 12/26/2023 at 12:45 PM, Spidey10 said:

roughly 25k pa....but covid years koyak...bo business, so piratically didn't drive...

G should have reimbursed us the COE for CV years....

but I cannot use EV ler, too ex...

Dan Gu Gu(Wait Long Long).

[Vratenza]

On 12/26/2023 at 12:48 PM, inlinesix said:

It depends on your mileage over the life of COE.

Battery degradation of more than 10% will happen after 160k km.

Most manufacturers will have a 10% buffer for this degradation.

As users, you might not feel the difference of 10%.

The bigger problem comes from an accident or something hit the car undercarriage.

let me illustrate my point:

lets say the EV has 8 battery modules/cells, during the annual servicing at 7yrs into ownership, the AD tested that the battery degradation status is as such:

1) 91%

2) 86%

3) 93%

4) 82%

5) 91%

6) 90%

7) 91%

😎 92%

So based on manufacturer's SOP, the AD proceed to go ahead to swap out # 2 and #4.

 

then the car is sold to another buyer right after the cells swap.

in the next 3 years of of the remaining COE, the rest of the unreplaced  6 cells continue with the natural degradation to start dipping below 90% or even 80%.

the new owner has to come up with cash to replace these failing cells.

 

[Spidey10]

On 12/26/2023 at 1:05 PM, Vratenza said:

let me illustrate my point:

lets say the EV has 8 battery modules/cells, during the annual servicing at 7yrs into ownership, the AD tested that the battery degradation status is as such:

1) 91%

2) 86%

3) 93%

4) 82%

5) 91%

6) 90%

7) 91%

😎 92%

So based on manufacturer's SOP, the AD proceed to go ahead to swap out # 2 and #4.

 

then the car is sold to another buyer right after the cells swap.

in the next 3 years of of the remaining COE, the rest of the unreplaced  6 cells continue with the natural degradation to start dipping below 90% or even 80%.

the new owner has to come up with cash to replace these failing cells.

 

ohhh...not change the whole lot one shot....hhhmmmm....like this, could be like every year need to chabge Batt leh....if u are unlucky ..

[Spidey10]

On 12/26/2023 at 1:04 PM, ER-3682 said:

Dan Gu Gu(Wait Long Long).

i know...

[ER-3682]

On 12/26/2023 at 1:53 PM, Spidey10 said:

ohhh...not change the whole lot one shot....hhhmmmm....like this, could be like every year need to chabge Batt leh....if u are unlucky ..

Warranty..Agent will help Factory save Money,if you own pay,change whole Battery.

[Alfc]

If EVs are viewed more similar to electrical appliances and even mobile phones, then the expectation in terms of degeneration and resale value should be similar too. Will one buy a used TV or handphone, and how much discount will entice one to bite.

[inlinesix]

On 12/26/2023 at 1:05 PM, Vratenza said:

let me illustrate my point:

lets say the EV has 8 battery modules/cells, during the annual servicing at 7yrs into ownership, the AD tested that the battery degradation status is as such:

1) 91%

2) 86%

3) 93%

4) 82%

5) 91%

6) 90%

7) 91%

😎 92%

So based on manufacturer's SOP, the AD proceed to go ahead to swap out # 2 and #4.

 

then the car is sold to another buyer right after the cells swap.

in the next 3 years of of the remaining COE, the rest of the unreplaced  6 cells continue with the natural degradation to start dipping below 90% or even 80%.

the new owner has to come up with cash to replace these failing cells.

 

I think AD will replace under warranty if degradation is 30% or more.

As owner, you will not feel the difference if the battery degrades to 90%.

Unless next owner want to extend, i don't see the point of cell replacement at the end of 7 year.

[inlinesix]

On 12/26/2023 at 12:58 PM, Spidey10 said:

my 2 series diesel fully paid...u wanna kill me with 170k...

Your 2 is about that price

[Beregond]

Rather then no 1 want used EV. It's more like new EV from China is too cheap or competitive in price etc.

Those dealer got no money to make selling a high price used ( esp conti make EV)

Not no 1 want a used EV. the price is not right only😅

[Vratenza]

On 12/26/2023 at 2:22 PM, ER-3682 said:

Warranty..Agent will help Factory save Money,if you own pay,change whole Battery.

I think is more like manufacturer's SOP for the ADs.

My car, engine error code flashed, return to AD, AD say is one of the 4 spark plug gone, need to replace under warranty. 

For my car, the next servicing was a major one, which was only 2000km away, and that included changing all 4 spark plugs, so I asked the Service Advisor why not just change all 4 spark plugs in one shot, save the labour. The SA said no can do, must follow the manufacturer schedule and SOP. 🙄

[RadX]

On 12/26/2023 at 3:13 PM, Vratenza said:

I think is more like manufacturer's SOP for the ADs.

My car, engine error code flashed, return to AD, AD say is one of the 4 spark plug gone, need to replace under warranty. 

For my car, the next servicing was a major one, which was only 2000km away, and that included changing all 4 spark plugs, so I asked the Service Advisor why not just change all 4 spark plugs in one shot, save the labour. The SA said no can do, must follow the manufacturer schedule and SOP. 🙄

If it were me

 

change car! Is SOP

😂

[Vratenza]

On 12/26/2023 at 3:05 PM, inlinesix said:

I think AD will replace under warranty if degradation is 30% or more.

As owner, you will not feel the difference if the battery degrades to 90%.

Unless next owner want to extend, i don't see the point of cell replacement at the end of 7 year.

Ok ... then how about this scenario, which is more likely taking refence electronic devices such as Iphone's battery degradation speed.

1) 71%

2) 66%

3) 73%

4) 62%

5) 71%

6) 70%

7) 71%

8 ) 72%

You still don't see my point. You are talking from AD/Manufacturer's point of view....I am coming from a potential 2nd hand EV buyer point of view.

[kobayashiGT]

On 12/26/2023 at 11:47 AM, inlinesix said:

and you drive EV

😂

You must unds smth... Boss change car, if the car have problem. Not the battery. So nothing affect him. 🤣

[Vratenza]

On 12/26/2023 at 3:15 PM, RadX said:

If it were me

 

change car! Is SOP

😂

I will place order for the 1st production RadX EV that rolls off the production line!😁

[kobayashiGT]

On 12/26/2023 at 12:31 PM, Beehive3783 said:

Nanopulser can or not?  

Don't bluff me lah. hahaha. 

[Vratenza]

On 12/26/2023 at 3:12 PM, Beregond said:

Rather then no 1 want used EV. It's more like new EV from China is too cheap or competitive in price etc.

Those dealer got no money to make selling a high price used ( esp conti make EV)

Not no 1 want a used EV. the price is not right only😅

yes....all paper value (think left with COE value...PARF is almost non existence after all the rebate) once out of the show room. 

[inlinesix]

On 12/26/2023 at 3:18 PM, Vratenza said:

Ok ... then how about this scenario, which is more likely taking refence electronic devices such as Iphone's battery degradation speed.

1) 71%

2) 66%

3) 73%

4) 62%

5) 71%

6) 70%

7) 71%

8 ) 72%

You still don't see my point. You are talking from AD/Manufacturer's point of view....I am coming from a potential 2nd hand EV buyer point of view.

What you mention above likely to be car > 250k km.

With the kind of mileage, very hard to sell (even for ICE car).

End up being tampered odo.

[Voodooman]

Anyone selling their i4 cheap cheap? I buy.