European Union Agrees on Watered-Down Euro 7 Regulations

[Carbon82]

Not unexpected since the original proposal is not practicable financially in short. 

Stricter emissions standards for trucks and buses but not for cars and vans

Several automakers, including Stellantis, Volkswagen, Skoda, and others, have been very critical regarding the strict upcoming Euro 7 emissions regulations on the Old Continent. Some executives even described them as “useless” but it seems that there is some light at the end of the tunnel for the critics of the new standards. Just moments ago as of writing this article, European Union ministers agreed on new and watered-down rules.

After facing opposition from automakers and member countries, including France, Italy, the Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland, Romania, and Slovakia, the ministers agreed not to implement significant changes to the existing Euro 6 standards for cars and vans. There will be stricter regulations for buses and heavy vehicles, though. 

However, the decision isn’t final yet. Spain, which holds the rotating EU presidency, presented the compromise text that gained the agreement of the Council of the European Union, composed of EU ministers. The final form of the law must be discussed and signed by the Council, the European Parliament, and the European Commission.

"We believe that, with this proposal, we achieved broad support, a balance in the investment costs of the manufacturing brands and we improve the environmental benefits derived from this regulation," Spain's minister for industry, trade and tourism, Hector Gomez Hernandez, commented.

“The member states’ position is an improvement on the European Commission’s Euro 7 proposal – which was entirely disproportionate, driving high costs for industry and customers, with limited environmental benefits,” the European Automobile Manufacturers Association director, Sigrid de Vries, added. “The Council’s aim to continue the effective Euro 6 tests is sensible. However, compared to what is in place today, Euro 7 is much broader for new cars, vans and, in particular, heavy-duty vehicles, requiring significant engineering and testing efforts.”

As ironic as it may sound, the automakers in Europe have said that the initially proposed stricter emissions standards could lead to slower adoption of electric vehicles. The Euro 7 in its earlier form would distract the companies from investing in EVs, Renault CEO Luca de Meo said recently, while Skoda's head honcho Klaus Zellmer admitted that building small cars under the stricter emissions could be impossible.

[inlinesix]

EU carmakers has been seriously lagging behind PRC on EV.

Whatever nonsense EU rule will not speed up the development.

[Carbon82]

For now, I see EV as transferring of emissions issues to the generators, akin to risk transfer in commercial term.

Putting the production process aside (mining of mineral for battery production is actually one of the largest generator of GHG), unless electricity used is generated from sustainable source (e.g. solar, hydro, wind, etc.), GHG emission will not reduce significantly overall (some countries are still using coal for electricity generation). 

And if we consider the product life cycle, the disposal of batteries is going to be a big headache in time to come. I wouldn't be surprised if environmental agencies around the world would start to levy taxes on battery disposal by the next decade.

[ER-3682]

Europe try to "Clean up'' their Acts,but Russia & China still Polluting,just like Singapore's Air so clean,Indonesia Fire Points increase,Singapore sure suffer.[Haze].

[Shibadog]

On 9/26/2023 at 9:19 PM, Carbon82 said:

For now, I see EV as transferring of emissions issues to the generators, akin to risk transfer in commercial term.

Putting the production process aside (mining of mineral for battery production is actually one of the largest generator of GHG), unless electricity used is generated from sustainable source (e.g. solar, hydro, wind, etc.), GHG emission will not reduce significantly overall (some countries are still using coal for electricity generation). 

And if we consider the product life cycle, the disposal of batteries is going to be a big headache in time to come. I wouldn't be surprised if environmental agencies around the world would start to levy taxes for the battery disposal by the next decade.

how's this? lol

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/second-singapore-gp-purchase-renewable-071813979.html

For the second year, Singapore GP to purchase renewable energy certificates to offset emissions

[inlinesix]

Unlike Sg, Dutch have 3rd party EV Battery Replacement.

I support EV as I only want interesting ICE car remains. 

Edited September 26, 2023 by inlinesix

[Carbon82]

On 9/26/2023 at 9:47 PM, Shibadog said:

how's this? lol

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/second-singapore-gp-purchase-renewable-071813979.html

For the second year, Singapore GP to purchase renewable energy certificates to offset emissions

My take on the RECs and carbon credits thingy: it is simply repackaging environmental issues into $$$ generation tools. 

Not to say that such schemes are total rubbish, but 远水救不了近火 (fire cannot be fought with water from far away source), GHG generated from race cars in Singapore cannot be offset with sponsoring emission reduction projects in other countries (the basic principle of RECs). 

 

On 9/26/2023 at 10:20 PM, inlinesix said:

Unlike Sg, Dutch have 3rd party EV Battery Replacement.

I support EV as I only want interesting ICE car remains. 

Regardless of 3rd party battery replacement or not, battery efficiency will drop after years of usage and need to be disposed off eventually. The current practice is to repurpose these batteries for commercial / household applications (e.g. UPS, energy storage for solar power system, etc.), which does not involve recovery or disposal of the harmful mineral in the batteries. 

[Mkl22]

Repurpose? China will just scrap. In China it’s all about $$. 

[Jamesc]

I knew they were not serious about going green.

Just pretend only.

The pollsters told them voters wanted to hear go green.

So before election pretend go green.

After voted in say course correction or refine policy then put it in the dustbin.

Screwed you all suckers!

[Watwheels]

The reason of global warming is due to high concentration of CO2 gases in the atmosphere. The current levels should be the highest in human history. Desperate already. 

EVs does offer a quick fix but problem is by now many world leaders have invested much in fossil fuel? Its infrastructure, taxation, reliance, everything. Just like now you have just got yourself a petrol/diesel powered car and asking you to change to a more costlier EV, it wouldnt happen overnight. Charging infrastructure isnt setup overnight too. This will also cost the govt. Not just the car owners cost. Recycling the batteries must be considered as infrastructure too. This too will cost us. We cannot discount the fact there will be a battery recycling fee or tax in the future.

Even for a small country like ours will take some time to make changes. Moreover we burn fossil fuel to generate our electricity. To look for long term sustainable energy is easier said than done. The ang mohs are now all talk and no concrete action. They keep making cars and not trying to control its population. Intro COE system. Kerb the car population. LoL

 

[inlinesix]

On 9/27/2023 at 9:10 AM, Watwheels said:

The reason of global warming is due to high concentration of CO2 gases in the atmosphere. The current levels should be the highest in human history. Desperate already. 

EVs does offer a quick fix but problem is by now many world leaders have invested much in fossil fuel? Its infrastructure, taxation, reliance, everything. Just like now you have just got yourself a petrol/diesel powered car and asking you to change to a more costlier EV, it wouldnt happen overnight. Charging infrastructure isnt setup overnight too. This will also cost the govt. Not just the car owners cost. Recycling the batteries must be considered as infrastructure too. This too will cost us. We cannot discount the fact there will be a battery recycling fee or tax in the future.

Even for a small country like ours will take some time to make changes. Moreover we burn fossil fuel to generate our electricity. To look for long term sustainable energy is easier said than done. The ang mohs are now all talk and no concrete action. They keep making cars and not trying to control its population. Intro COE system. Kerb the car population. LoL

For us, most of the time is resistance to change.

Especially the older Gen (who can afford to buy cars).

[Watwheels]

On 9/27/2023 at 9:31 AM, inlinesix said:

For us, most of the time is resistance to change.

Especially the older Gen (who can afford to buy cars).

I think not only that. Budget is what most car buyers' concern. Policy making is not their level of decision making. Car buyers just buy whatever available to them that suits their budget. It will take some time to completely switch. And maybe by then self driven tech has already mature and ppl no longer need to drive or even own a car. It will be like driverless Grab. The COE system will become redundant as well. Only motorsports or races will have drivers.

[inlinesix]

On 9/27/2023 at 9:44 AM, Watwheels said:

I think not only that. Budget is what most car buyers' concern. Policy making is not their level of decision making. Car buyers just buy whatever available to them that suits their budget. It will take some time to completely switch. And maybe by then self driven tech has already mature and ppl no longer need to drive or even own a car. It will be like driverless Grab. The COE system will become redundant as well. Only motorsports or races will have drivers.

BYD Dolphins is the same price as Honda Jazz.

 

[Kangadrool]

If we don't burn fossil fuels to generate carbon dioxide, will there be sufficient carbon dioxide for the plants/floral ecosystem?

[Mrmilktooth]

I recall there I saw a video that China has parked few thousand ev in a yard. Not in use….. environment destruction by human in all forms.. just a matter of time before everything GG. 
 

sea land air.. 

[ER-3682]

On 9/28/2023 at 5:13 PM, Mrmilktooth said:

I recall there I saw a video that China has parked few thousand ev in a yard. Not in use….. environment destruction by human in all forms.. just a matter of time before everything GG. 
 

sea land air.. 

That is because China Gov't Subsidies...Mfg just Register it & put 1 side.