Woman Allegedly Scammed Of S$67K & Car By Salesman, Dealership Says His Actions Weren’t Authorised

[Freeder]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/complaintsingapore/permalink/1686974548416099/?mibextid=S66gvF
 

Now times are bad, many Ali Babas also insai legit Used car dealers posing as their staff… Even the boss also dun want to take the responsibilities lei.. WTF🙃..

Be very extra careful especially dealing with Cash deals which are the norms here😂

[PSP415]

On 6/11/2023 at 4:05 PM, Freeder said:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/complaintsingapore/permalink/1686974548416099/?mibextid=S66gvF
 

Now times are bad, many Ali Babas also insai legit Used car dealers posing as their staff… Even the boss also dun want to take the responsibilities lei.. WTF🙃..

Be very extra careful especially dealing with Cash deals which are the norms here😂

Read liao sibei heartpain and flabbergasted. 

Some Singaporeans quite naive and no updated internal built-in alarm. Cheques are the way to go and MUST be in correct company's name. Digital payment is easy and convenient but there is the added risk of fraud. 

Haiz. Perhaps there is no such new vehicle to be registered in first place. Own car transferred may be able to trace but returned may need lawyer.

Cash is as good as gone. 

Its an expensive lesson. Hope he strike 4d or toto. 😅And be wiser. 

Really unfortunate. 

Thanks for sharing. 

Edited June 11, 2023 by PSP415

[zipping]

On 6/11/2023 at 4:05 PM, Freeder said:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/complaintsingapore/permalink/1686974548416099/?mibextid=S66gvF
 

Now times are bad, many Ali Babas also insai legit Used car dealers posing as their staff… Even the boss also dun want to take the responsibilities lei.. WTF🙃..

Be very extra careful especially dealing with Cash deals which are the norms here😂

Of her 3 paynow transactions, 2 is to hp number (10k & 7k) n 1 is to a uen number (50k)...iirc uen number is to a company's account?

e 50k payment...tat string of numbers 4203183393...tot is a uen number but a quick chk returns "no record found"

For payment of goods/service thru paynow, i will normally request to pay to a uen number instead of a hp number and I'll request for a receipt.

In regards to transfer of old vehicle, iirc, mine is transfered on e same day i got my new car...

Edited June 11, 2023 by zipping

[kobayashiGT]

Sources: https://mustsharenews.com/scammed-car-salesman/

Woman Allegedly Scammed By Salesman Into Transferring Car Ownership, Dealership Investigating Case

The process of buying a new car may be complicated for some, so we place our trust in car salesmen to help us handle the transaction.

However, a woman claimed she was recently scammed out of S$67,000 by a car salesman.

Worse still, the ownership of her existing car was also transferred to an unknown party.

The car dealership the salesman worked for has said that they didn’t know about his actions and were “deeply troubled” by the situation.

Woman met salesman when she was looking for a car

In a lengthy Facebook post on Sunday (11 June) to the Complaint Singapore group, Grab driver Polin Ng told the story of her negative car-buying experience.

She had looking for a new car on 25 Apr, she said, and went down to the Automobile Megamart in Ubi to look around.

That’s when she met Mr Chan Chee Ken, or “Ken Chan”. He said he was a salesman from CarTimes Automobile, a car dealership.

As they didn’t have a Toyota Voxy, which she was looking for, she left.

Woman agrees on car, transfers S$10K in cash

Two days later, Ken sent Ms Ng a WhatsApp message, offering her a Toyota Noah, she said.

Though it wasn’t the car she’d been looking for, she eventually agreed.

She then transferred him S$10,000 in cash via PayNow.

Woman transfers S$50K in cash after changing car model

The next day, 28 Apr, Ms Ng told Ken that she’d changed her mind and wanted a Toyota Yaris Cross instead.

Ken then came down to void the previous agreement and issue a new one.

Later, he gave her a United Overseas Bank (UOB) account number, into which she transferred S$50,000.

He later informed her that the new car will be ready for collection by 22 May. She had no problem with the date.

Woman transfers S$7K in cash & car ownership

As the transaction is a trade-in, Ms Ng would have to surrender her existing car, a Honda Shuttle, to the dealership upon collecting the new car.

On 18 May, Ken came to her place and told her that her Honda was valued at S$105,000.

As the total cost was S$172,000, there was a balance of S$7,000 remaining.

She thus transferred another S$7,000 via PayNow to a number.

Ken also allegedly helped her transfer the ownership of her car as she’s “not IT savvy”.

She subsequently received a message from the Land Transport Authority (LTA) that the ownership of her car had been transferred.

She didn’t see who the car ownership was transferred to, she maintained.

Car salesman claims collection delayed, goes uncontactable

On 22 May — the day of the collection — Ken called Ms Ng and allegedly told her that her new car wasn’t ready yet due to port delay and LTA inspection.

They agreed on another date, 30 May, as she would be overseas from 24-29 May.

However, when Ms Ng was overseas, Ken became uncontactable. When she called his office, they said he had been on MC for about one week, she said.

Dealership says no payment nor car was received

Upon returning to Singapore, Ms Ng went to the car dealership, furnishing proof of payment to them.

However, the dealership informed her that they hadn’t received any payment, nor had her car been transferred to them.

Neither were they aware of the trade-in agreement, she said, claiming Ken had altered it before handing it to them.

Woman allegedly scammed by car salesman, makes 2 police reports

Feeling lost, she made a police report on 31 May.

The next day, Ms Ng said she met CarTimes’ managing director, who allegedly informed her that their sales agreement states that payments above S$3,000 must be made via cheque or cashier’s order.

They also advised her to wait for the police investigation to be concluded.

After that, she made a second police report concerning the car ownership transfer.

Cartimes says they didn’t authorise or condone alleged actions

On Sunday (11 June), CarTimes addressed the incident in a Facebook post, describing it as a “fidelity issue”.

They revealed that Ken, whom they described as a “former employee”, had allegedly engaged in fraudulent activities, including,

offering unauthorised trade-in services to customers

requesting customers transfer payments to the company into his personal accounts and misappropriating the funds

misrepresenting his actions as being on behalf of the company

These actions violated their company’s principles and were possibly criminal, they said, adding,

CarTimes did not authorise or condone any of his alleged actions.

As such, they’re “deeply troubled” by this situation.

Dealership investigating case, 2 customers affected

CarTimes said that they promptly took action after discovering what Ken had allegedly done.

Besides filing a police report, an internal investigation was also conducted, they maintained, adding,

We are fully cooperating with the authorities to facilitate the investigation process.

CarTimes also revealed that there are two customers affected in the case. It’s uncertain whether that includes Ms Ng.

The affected customers are being assisted in funds recovery with the support of their insurer, the dealership stated. Legal advice has also been sought.

They advised customers not to make PayNow transfers to personal mobile numbers or transfer their vehicles to other parties even if instructed to do so by their staff.

CarTimes added that they won’t be making further comments about this matter until police investigations have concluded.

[RadX]

Gd that carTimes is taking this step else their reputation gone

 

bloody ex employee gg liao

[jcmm]

Hopefully majority of the money is still in the bank. Should let Ken squats 10 yrs. 

Edited June 12, 2023 by jcmm

[Inlinefour]

wow lau eh scammer trickster everywhere jialat can return my cpf bo need to go hide inside cave liao 🙊🙉🙈

[Steptronic]

Looks like she is from Gen Z. Do not want to even visit the correct showroom for such a high value purchase.

[Watwheels]

I think I had heard of one case of car salesman pocketing customers money. Quite long ago. From AD somemore. Police case. I think the fellow was sentence to jail, dunno how many years. After released continue to work as car salesman with another AD. LoL... It is after we met and shook his hand my buddy told me his background story. 

Sentence for such white collar crime is short. It is that experience ppl kenna cheated who had to go thru that's tough. 

[Ct3833]

If i understood the case correctly, that Ken guy was the employee of cartime,  they said "ex-employee" was because he was fired after the 2 cases. Since Ken was the employee and he had used cartime's receipts,  shouldn't cartime take full responsibility  of the transactions, While they can sue Ken till his pants drop in parallel?  

[RadX]

On 6/12/2023 at 9:21 AM, Ct3833 said:

If i understood the case correctly, that Ken guy was the employee of cartime,  they said "ex-employee" was because he was fired after the 2 cases. Since Ken was the employee and he had used cartime's receipts,  shouldn't cartime take full responsibility  of the transactions, While they can sue Ken till his pants drop in parallel?  

looks leik they are and the mitigation is the use of insurance claims..

[Jman888]

from the screenshot all the money was transferred to the company bank account, difficult for the company to siam responsibility.

[Blueray]

On 6/12/2023 at 9:25 AM, Jman888 said:

from the screenshot all the money was transferred to the company bank account, difficult for the company to siam responsibility.

yup, looks like its car times UEN.

[Kopites]

On 6/12/2023 at 9:25 AM, Jman888 said:

from the screenshot all the money was transferred to the company bank account, difficult for the company to siam responsibility.

Is the victim our MCF family?

Full cash.

Hope everythings can be resolved legally. 

If I am not wrong cartimes is affiliated to tan chong(Nissan) right?

[Ct3833]

On 6/12/2023 at 9:25 AM, Jman888 said:

from the screenshot all the money was transferred to the company bank account, difficult for the company to siam responsibility.

Then how can Ken withdraw money from the company account ? 

[Freeder]

In these dangerous times, think buy from @RadX MILF will be the safest bet..

Buying cars from PIs need to be extra extra alert as most of the SE are not vetted vigorously n chances of hitting land mines are high..

[Jman888]

On 6/12/2023 at 9:31 AM, Ct3833 said:

Then how can Ken withdraw money from the company account ? 

this one not the buyer problem, if all the document and transfers were made to the company name, then is between Cartime and Ken liao.

[Daniu82]

Seems like bad management by the company. How can money transferred into the company's account and official receipts used and they claimed everything they dunno. This definitely will dent their reputation.