Gorbachev has died

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https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/30/mikhail-gorbachev-soviet-union-cold-war-obit-035311

Mikhail Gorbachev, the Soviet Union’s final leader, dies

He oversaw the end to the Soviet empire, a divided Europe and the Cold War.

Mikhail Gorbachev, who enabled the Cold War to come to a peaceful end during his astonishing tenure as the leader of the Soviet Union, has died. He was 91.

Coming to power after a dispiriting succession of elderly, hardline Soviet leaders, Gorbachev brought a fresh approach to both internal and international politics. He shook up a nation that had never fulfilled most of its promises to its people and created a seismic shift in international relations, altering a world that been locked in a nuclear stare-down for four decades.

He introduced “glasnost” (openness) and “perestroika” (restructuring) into the Soviet Union, rocking a stagnant and fearful society to its core. Then, he made it clear that the Soviets would not keep the nations of Eastern Europe under their grip, setting off a chain of events that led to the fall of the Berlin Wall and of communist regimes through the region. Finally, much more awkwardly, he oversaw the dissolution of the Soviet Union itself, as it split into 15 nations.

“We are now living in a new world,” he said as he stepped down in December 1991. “An end has been put to the Cold War and to the arms race, as well as to the mad militarization of the country, which has crippled our economy, public attitudes, and morals. The threat of nuclear war has been removed.”

[RadX]

finally

[ER-3682]

The World wanted to see when Putin Die...

[BanCoe]

1 hour ago, RadX said:

finally

U attending ?? I mean doing final rites ?? frens here asking 

[Watwheels]

Dunno. Feels like what he had done did not brought about significant change to Russia. Still very commie and run by commie ppl. Soviet Union somewhat evolved into Soviet Union Lite. The threat is still there.

RIP. 

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[Jamesc]

He "destroyed" the USSR and Putin wants to make USSR great again.

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He did a lot of very good things for his country. To those saying he didn't do enough, think about the uphill battle he was facing at the time. You think Putin is hardline and hardcore? My toes are laughing. 

Unfortunately, Boris Yeltsin was a corrupt buffoon more interested in cultivating his own cult of personality than anything else. While he was pretty much responsible for the capitalist transformation of Russia, the way he went about it was singularly bad, and led to the de facto oligarchy and pervasive criminality you see even today. And so many lives and so much political capital and goodwill wasted in the futility of Chechnya. 

And Putin (a much smarter adversary) is just an evil man who opportunistically seized power and never let go. 

Don't hate Gorbie for what came later. Russia has been in turmoil from the time of the Tsars. Neither the Myth of Marxism nor the Copium of Capitalism can cure its ills. 

Edited August 31, 2022 by Turboflat4

[Playtime]

16 minutes ago, Turboflat4 said:

He did a lot of very good things for his country. To those saying he didn't do enough, think about the uphill battle he was facing at the time. You think Putin is hardline and hardcore? My toes are laughing. 

Unfortunately, Boris Yeltsin was a corrupt buffoon more interested in cultivating his own cult of personality than anything else. While he was pretty much responsible for the capitalist transformation of Russia, the way he went about it was singularly bad, and led to the de facto oligarchy and pervasive criminality you see even today. And so many lives and so much political capital and goodwill wasted in the futility of Chechnya. 

And Putin (a much smarter adversary) is just an evil man who opportunistically seized power and never let go. 

Don't hate Gorbie for what came later. Russia has been in turmoil from the time of the Tsars. Neither the Myth of Marxism nor the Copium of Capitalism can cure its ills. 

There's some saying putin initially wanted to bring russia into Europe. That the west wasted a chance. 

But based on what Russia was.. and still is... I kinda doubt that would have worked out, likely would have dragged Europe into the pit with it.

 

[inlinesix]

23 minutes ago, Playtime said:

There's some saying putin initially wanted to bring russia into Europe. That the west wasted a chance. 

But based on what Russia was.. and still is... I kinda doubt that would have worked out, likely would have dragged Europe into the pit with it.

Like Hungary

[Estrangable]

u shd watch the pizza hut commercial which he took part in during the 90s. See below 

 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgm14D1jHUw

[Voodooman]

10 hours ago, Turboflat4 said:

He did a lot of very good things for his country. To those saying he didn't do enough, think about the uphill battle he was facing at the time. You think Putin is hardline and hardcore? My toes are laughing. 

Unfortunately, Boris Yeltsin was a corrupt buffoon more interested in cultivating his own cult of personality than anything else. While he was pretty much responsible for the capitalist transformation of Russia, the way he went about it was singularly bad, and led to the de facto oligarchy and pervasive criminality you see even today. And so many lives and so much political capital and goodwill wasted in the futility of Chechnya. 

And Putin (a much smarter adversary) is just an evil man who opportunistically seized power and never let go. 

Don't hate Gorbie for what came later. Russia has been in turmoil from the time of the Tsars. Neither the Myth of Marxism nor the Copium of Capitalism can cure its ills. 

Without him, USSR would have fallen apart anyway, just a matter of time.

Some said with a stronger leader, it might have survived and transformed itself like what China did. i doubt it but it is an interesting hypothesis.

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18 hours ago, Estrangable said:

u shd watch the pizza hut commercial which he took part in during the 90s. See below 

 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgm14D1jHUw

I tot it was a look alike. 

Note maybe get putin to do the follow up 🤣

[Estrangable]

2 minutes ago, Playtime said:

I tot it was a look alike. 

Note maybe get putin to do the follow up 🤣

the interesting part was tat this advert was never showed in Mother Russia cos' the initial preview was panned... 

"The advert was aired internationally but was never shown in Russia, where it was ridiculed by the press."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62736976

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13 hours ago, Voodooman said:

Without him, USSR would have fallen apart anyway, just a matter of time.

Some said with a stronger leader, it might have survived and transformed itself like what China did. i doubt it but it is an interesting hypothesis.

and the 2 could have done a coordinated simultaneous invasion of ukraine and taiwan

our part of SEA would see chinese "fishing boats" all over the place.

nah.... that would be a absolute nightmare for all but the russian orcs and ccp pinkies.

 

[Voodooman]

Just now, Playtime said:

and the 2 could have done a coordinated simultaneous invasion of ukraine and taiwan

our part of SEA would see chinese "fishing boats" all over the place.

nah.... that would be a absolute nightmare for all but the russian orcs and ccp pinkies.

 

Without the Soviet, US probably won't be as friendly and helpful to China.

CCP had certainly learnt from the collapse of USSR and kept Jeffrey Sachs and his voodoo big bang approach at bay.