Planned liberation of Taiwan in the making…..

[Ender]

15 hours ago, Sturtles said:

 

Privately, I am surprised china is so tame after all the rhetoric and sabre-rattling.

As an afterthought, getting angry and throwing some fighters or missiles is always easy. 

Swallowing our pride and eating humble pie is difficult, even as we deal with certain people daily, while we have ample resources to throw at them

I don't think many country's leadership would be able to take this and still win an election.

Maybe the only saving grace is because china is autocratic, preventing the military confrontation

Russian has a proverb. Seem like China's unlimited friend has this pov of china.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China's_final_warning

 

[Jamesc]

2 hours ago, Playtime said:

Woh! He got Durian 6 pack

[Jamesc]

1 hour ago, Sturtles said:

Yea,

Both are not perfect systems...

A crazy/weak autocrat will lead its people to death…

Missed this in the earlier reply.

Ultimately, it could be a manifestation of capable people not able to climb to the top of government leadership.

Looking at lobbying powers by the Philippine/Korea/US system vs the corrupt middle eastern and south East Asian democracies,

The cycle will never end, like day and night.

 

[Jamesc]

Why they never use this?

 

1 hour ago, steveluv said:

Attacks had begun, liberation of Taiwan cannot be stopped. “REPENT TAIWAN “

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/suspected-drones-over-taiwan-cyber-attacks-after-pelosi-visit-2022-08-04/

Suspected drones over Taiwan, cyber attacks after Pelosi visit
By Yimou Lee

- Suspected drones fly over outlying Taiwanese islands

 

[Maxus-MIFA9]

12 minutes ago, Jamesc said:

 

Wahhhh.......  so chim... 

Think your MIL know best.... 

[Spidey10]

2 hours ago, Silverkris said:

My opinion of the whole Taiwan/China saga after talks with Taiwan and China colleagues:

 

To understand China, China do NOT want to take Taiwan by force, ever if possible.

China wants Taiwan to come back to him willingly, no matter how long that will take.

If you have seen the news in Taiwan after the visit, there are also large numbers of people in Taiwan that disagree with the visits, maybe 50%?? There are a growing number of Taiwan people that do not mind re-unifying with China, of course there are still a lot of pro-independence people too.

China will rather start their "education", "mind washing", "encouragements" program on Taiwan until a big majority of the people in Taiwan dun mind re-unifications and return to China willingly, no matter how long that will take, 20 years, 50 years, etc. There is no timeline on that as they wanted a peaceful transition on this. They do not want to take over the island where everyone hates CCP. If they managed to "convince" Taiwan, then it will be the best for Taiwan and China. But China stand is still "I do not want to force you" for now to Taiwan people.

In the meantime, they also dun mind status quo for unlimited time, letting Taiwan running on its own, as long as they dun try to go the independence route, which is China's red line.

US (not all, but some people), on the other hand, is trying to stir things up in the Taiwan straits as the more chaotic the world becomes, the better it is for the US, to sell weapons, to "manage" chaos and telling the world they are still the "big brother/sister".

Singapore stand is that we do not want to take sides, but wants things to be settled without going into warfare.

go either way US will win...

1) go to war with China - US will supplier the weapons, they will not fight for TW pple, TW lose   - US win 

2) dun go to war and TW kena trade blockade - TW lose  - US win....US will tell them come trade with us...all the chips and whatnot sell to us. 

3) the loser here is TW whichever way you look at it....

[inlinesix]

18 minutes ago, Spidey10 said:

go either way US will win...

1) go to war with China - US will supplier the weapons, they will not fight for TW pple, TW lose   - US win 

2) dun go to war and TW kena trade blockade - TW lose  - US win....US will tell them come trade with us...all the chips and whatnot sell to us. 

3) the loser here is TW whichever way you look at it....

No thanks to PRC own ppl bully own ppl.

[Jamesc]

I think TW and China should be one.

Let China come under control of TW lah.

I don't think China people will complain if can have TW lifestyle.

Maybe except CCP top officials.

Isn't the most important thing to them to have One China

More important than them holding on to power right?

Or are they BSing us only?

Holding on to power is more important than One China?

[Jamesc]

I believe CCP top officials holding on to power is more important than One China.

I hope they prove me wrong and show me what an idiot I am.

It will never happen lah!

[Jamesc]

Deng saw communism did not work

and he had the iron in him

to do a U turn and embrace capitalism

er I mean Socialism with with Chinese characteristics.

If capitalism is a cat then western capitalism is a white cat and capitalism with Chinese style socialist characteristics is a black cat.

[DOBIEMKZ]

Personally I think most probably no full-scale war between China and Taiwan; a lot of sable rattling, some aggressive postures but no actual stabbing, etc.

And I think that the CCP might be even secretly delighted that Mrs Pelosi visited Taiwan at this moment.

Because to the CCP, the Taiwan issue is a very good piece of sentiment- and attention-diverting tactic to deflect the current population's angst and unhappiness against the government over the bank fraud scandal, the draconian covid-19 suppression and lockdown, and the persecution of people who dared tainted the reputation of "protected" top officials, etc.

Political chess-play. Made up or blow up an external crisis (actual or perceived) (or enemy) to alter people's opinion and deflect their sentiment from internal problems, and protect one's backside.

[Victor68]

4 hours ago, Silverkris said:

My opinion of the whole Taiwan/China saga after talks with Taiwan and China colleagues:

 

To understand China, China do NOT want to take Taiwan by force, ever if possible.

China wants Taiwan to come back to him willingly, no matter how long that will take.

If you have seen the news in Taiwan after the visit, there are also large numbers of people in Taiwan that disagree with the visits, maybe 50%?? There are a growing number of Taiwan people that do not mind re-unifying with China, of course there are still a lot of pro-independence people too.

China will rather start their "education", "mind washing", "encouragements" program on Taiwan until a big majority of the people in Taiwan dun mind re-unifications and return to China willingly, no matter how long that will take, 20 years, 50 years, etc. There is no timeline on that as they wanted a peaceful transition on this. They do not want to take over the island where everyone hates CCP. If they managed to "convince" Taiwan, then it will be the best for Taiwan and China. But China stand is still "I do not want to force you" for now to Taiwan people.

In the meantime, they also dun mind status quo for unlimited time, letting Taiwan running on its own, as long as they dun try to go the independence route, which is China's red line.

US (not all, but some people), on the other hand, is trying to stir things up in the Taiwan straits as the more chaotic the world becomes, the better it is for the US, to sell weapons, to "manage" chaos and telling the world they are still the "big brother/sister".

Singapore stand is that we do not want to take sides, but wants things to be settled without going into warfare.

Need to understand why there are elements that love to see war in Asia with provocations. They asian, just bais or people with vested interest? China and Taiwan issue is not just today, why need to escalate now and who is stirring it? 

[inlinesix]

59 minutes ago, DOBIEMKZ said:

Personally I think most probably no full-scale war between China and Taiwan; a lot of sable rattling, some aggressive postures but no actual stabbing, etc.

And I think that the CCP might be even secretly delighted that Mrs Pelosi visited Taiwan at this moment.

Because to the CCP, the Taiwan issue is a very good piece of sentiment- and attention-diverting tactic to deflect the current population's angst and unhappiness against the government over the bank fraud scandal, the draconian covid-19 suppression and lockdown, and the persecution of people who dared tainted the reputation of "protected" top officials, etc.

Political chess-play. Made up or blow up an external crisis (actual or perceived) (or enemy) to alter people's opinion and deflect their sentiment from internal problems, and protect one's backside.

Current exercise might help DPP win a difficult election in November.

Edited August 4, 2022 by inlinesix

[Sturtles]

@inlinesix 

Don’t think Taiwanese have a good alternative choice.

The current KMT is very weak… DPP should be a natural choice for fence sitters

[mersaylee]

4pm oredi...still lion dancing huh? Got anything drop from the sky yet? 😁

[Etnt]

19 hours ago, Jamesc said:

Everyone knows China is bluffing

and they are calling their bluff.

so this is the real meaning of wolf warrior

[Arogab]

Haha, anyone saw this or post this?

[Mustank]

Standby internet 

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go sim lim buy all the graphic card