Planned liberation of Taiwan in the making…..

[Kb27]

Taiwan is free, it doesn't need to be "liberated"

It's taking lesson from Ukraine war. This should be a lesson for Sg as well.

I think they should have a million drones ready to strike at China ships, tons of Patriots missiles, long range artillery and anti-ship missiles.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/taiwan-says-learning-ukraine-smaller-094902388.html

Taiwan says it is learning from Ukraine how a smaller country can stand up to invasion

Taiwan is looking at Ukraine’s resistance under Russian invasion and learning how it can prepare for a possible attack by China, the island’s vice-president said in London on Thursday.

Hsiao Bi-khim was speaking at an event hosted by Chatham House, reported The i news.

“We are learning from Ukraine’s defence, where smaller combat forces have proven nimble and adaptable,” Ms Bi-khim said, stating that Taiwan is seeing parallels with Ukraine’s fight back against a larger neighbour.

Chinese president Xi Jinping has instructed his country’s military to “be ready by 2027” to invade Taiwan, according to US intelligence. China views the democratically-governed Taiwan as a breakaway province and maintains the position that it will not renounce force to bring Taiwan under its control.

The 70-year-old autocrat has previously vowed to ensure Taiwan is “reunited” with the mainland during his time in power, and has also said the matter of the island’s future “cannot be passed on from generation to generation”.

“As long as the People’s Republic of China has not renounced the use of force against Taiwan, and as long as they continue to exercise force, we have no choice but to step up our defences accordingly,” Ms Bi-khim said, in remarks that risk angering Beijing.

The Taiwanese vice president, hinting at preparation towards a possible invasion, said that Taipei must “reform and decentralise our military command structure”.

“And we understand that’s not only relevant for our military, we are working to enhance our whole society’s resilience, incorporating civil defence in our homeland,” she said.

Taiwan is actively taking steps to bolster its readiness against a Chinese attack, Ms Bi-khim said. These steps include doubling up Taiwan’s defence budget and taking a leaf out of Ukraine’s combat against invading Russian forces.

“We have extended the mandatory military service and training period from four months to a year,” she said. Taiwan has prioritised its new arms acquisitions and management systems that are cost effective, nimble and survivable, the vice-president said.

Faced with Russian onslaught of aerial attacks from hypersonic, ballistic, cruise missiles and drones, Ukraine has amped up its own domestic production on aerial and reconnaissance drones to fight back.

It has helped the war-hit nation sustain the frontline troops in the weeks western aid has slowed down. From being a minimal ammunition importer in 2019, Ukraine in 2023 became the number one global arms importer.

In a similar fashion, Taiwan is also investing in their own domestic defence industry and working on establishing a mechanism to introduce new and emerging technologies, the vice president added.

She said Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has reminded Taiwan that it cannot take its peace for granted. The official cited “backsliding of basic human rights and civil rights in Hong Kong” as a wake-up call for Taipei.

Last month, Taiwan’s outgoing foreign minister Joseph Wu had warned that defeat of Ukraine can inspire China’s expansionism ambitions.

“If Ukraine is defeated in the end, I think China is going to get inspired and they might take even more ambitious steps in expanding their power in the Indo-Pacific and it will be disastrous for the international community,” he said.

He cautioned that “nobody should be... thinking that they are immune from authoritarian influence”.

In late May, Beijing deployed warplanes and naval vessels in a mock invasion of the island to demonstrate its anger towards the new president in Taipei.

The Chinese military openly said its two-day war games are designed to “test the [armed forces’] ability to jointly seize power... and occupy key areas” around Taiwan and the island chains it controls.

The escalation of China’s military activity around Taiwan is being watched with growing alarm from around the world, with neighbouring powers in the Asia-Pacific urging the two to maintain peace and stability.

[macrosszero]

Well, one thing that Taiwan doesn't lack is semiconductor chips. 

Depending on which source and definition, it holds anywhere from 50 to 90% of the market share.

Not even Kuwait had this kind of influence on the world's crude oil supply and look at the response in 1991. 

It will be a bargaining chip (no pun intended) both with the West, the Non-Aligned-Movement, as well as a deterrent to China (given its massive manufacturing sector). 

Any conflict on the island is likely to cripple anything tech-related for decades and no one will win, even if one side claims victory in the military conflict. 

That being said - the longer the Ukrainian conflict drags on, the better the position for Taiwan if China is covertly supplying Russia to sustain its effort, resources it would need for itself should it decide to press the button. 

Edited June 23 by macrosszero

[Datsun366]

Basically Xi is applying all manner of brake checks on the Chinese in Taiwan until new cccp leader and political climate evolves in Beiping.

Want to hamtam where got talk so much one.

Diver slicing ears in Jinmen also no sound one.

Till 2027. Peace.

Edited June 23 by Datsun366

[Playtime]

On 6/23/2024 at 3:57 PM, macrosszero said:

That being said - the longer the Ukrainian conflict drags on, the better the position for Taiwan if China is covertly supplying Russia to sustain its effort, resources it would need for itself should it decide to press the button. 

Actually I doubt it effects their own army. They are supplying Russia with industrial machinery and electronics that Russia used to get from the west to produce weapons. China has no lack of those. Plus it gets russian energy exports in return, its a profitable thingy.  

It's actually in Xi interest that Ukraine , Gaza etc get worse... create more hotspots if possible... so western powers are distracted. 

And if the Chinese economy turns worse,  then what better time to start a war and distract internal audience. 

[Atonchia]

 

Gist of it:

President Lai said,

Average income of Taiwanese is NTD $48,000 = SGD $2,000

Is like Tsai and Lai on Average has one ball each...

So is this meaningful and useful?

Average is meaningless 🤣🤣

Edited June 25 by Atonchia

[Jamesc]

On 6/23/2024 at 4:30 PM, Kb27 said:

I think they should have a million drones ready to strike at China ships, tons of Patriots missiles, long range artillery and anti-ship missiles.

You are absolutely right.

They do have a million drones ready to strike at China ships.

[Sturtles]

Nice work… turn your non-voter locations into wartime ammo dump

Fortunately, only the pro-independence DPP can not only think, but also act out the dark side of human nature

Aljunied and Hougang can continue to sleep well

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/news/5071915
 

Edited July 1 by Sturtles

[Jamesc]

A group of air forces from Germany, Spain and France is conducting drills in Japan. 

 

 

[Beregond]

 

[mersaylee]

So...americano wants kua tao lui from europe and taiwan...europe boh lui have to put up a show as payoff...jippun boh lui have to provide a stage for the show as payoff...taiwan got a lot of lui...so just give...?😂

[Atonchia]

On 7/20/2024 at 1:42 PM, Jamesc said:

A group of air forces from Germany, Spain and France is conducting drills in Japan. 

 

 

France fly Rafale, Germany and Spain fly eurofighter Typhoon all the way to exercise.....

Japan fly F2😅...

Boh sim leh.... Should at least fly F15 if they don't want to fly F35.

[mersaylee]

On 7/20/2024 at 6:47 PM, Atonchia said:

France fly Rafale, Germany and Spain fly eurofighter Typhoon all the way to exercise.....

Japan fly F2😅...

Boh sim leh.... Should at least fly F15 if they don't want to fly F35.

Jippun han cheng pai lah...provide the stage is oredi a risky cost...lose cheap cheap plane still affordable...lose another expensive F35 sure go into depression of sort...😁

[Atonchia]

On 7/20/2024 at 7:56 PM, mersaylee said:

Jippun han cheng pai lah...provide the stage is oredi a risky cost...lose cheap cheap plane still affordable...lose another expensive F35 sure go into depression of sort...😁

F2 is smaller aircraft .... probably consume less fuel too 😅.... 

[macrosszero]

On 7/20/2024 at 8:05 PM, Atonchia said:

F2 is smaller aircraft .... probably consume less fuel too 😅.... 

Unwise to show hand at exercises - today’s partners could be tomorrow’s adversaries. That’s why when US flies their F-35 for demonstrations they fit radar reflectors onto the planes to alter their radar signature. These exercises are as much about interoperability as intelligence gathering.

[Sosaria]

On 7/20/2024 at 8:05 PM, Atonchia said:

F2 is smaller aircraft .... probably consume less fuel too 😅.... 

F2 is a jap copy of the F16, if cannot get the real thing, then this is just as good.

[macrosszero]

On 7/20/2024 at 9:28 PM, Sosaria said:

F2 is a jap copy of the F16, if cannot get the real thing, then this is just as good.

It is more accurate to describe the F-16 to the F-2 as what the Hornet is to the Super Hornet. They are outwardly similar in shape but the later variant is larger, which means everything changes a little.

[Playtime]

On 7/20/2024 at 6:05 PM, yishunite said:

All relative. Main problem is most Western countries use to spending 1-2% of GDP on military but countries like RuZZia like to spend 6-7%. Hard to increase in "normal" time but if these guys keep threatening then public very quickly start to support huge switch over

So if LL have to balance RuZZia type of crazy spending then AMDK/Japanese/etc will create huge edge coz RuZZian economy is actually totally rubbish, only produce oil and gas

It's all about resource. 

If we look at resource put in, it goes far far deeper than that. Today's world is basically still built on post WW2 results. 

Direct US fighting forces and aid to allies (include ussr) was what kept Europe afloat against hitler.

Japan was basically defeated solely by the US navy.  Conveniently also saving China in the process.

When WW2 ended,  as the sole undamaged economy,  it directly/ indirectly bankrolled the reconstruction of Europe... including former enemies Germany,  Italy,  Japan. 

After that,  it repeated for South Korea.

Little of any of those was ever repaid. Cos of the US belief in a "free world"... kinda idealistic.  But there was NEVER a super power that behaved that way.

But more importantly,  the US navy ensured that freedom of navigation in the oceans was real for the first time in history. It made possible the global trade that ensured unknown before prosperity for most EVERYONE,  even Russian ships, while countries like Singapore are alive only because of it.... Lky knew and built a carrier berth.

It's undeniable many countries took advantage and were frankly parasitic in this equation. This includes Europe too.

Things are changing,  in fact it already started since several presidents ago. Thrump is just the most vocal. 

Can't really blame them,  they want everyone to pay a fair share. The US increasingly no longer has the will nor ability to do it alone. 

There US could revert to pre WW2 isolationism,  and people who are cheering it have no bloody idea of the consequences of what they are talking about.

[macrosszero]

On 7/20/2024 at 9:42 PM, Playtime said:

It's all about resource. 

If we look at resource put in, it goes far far deeper than that. Today's world is basically still built on post WW2 results. 

Direct US fighting forces and aid to allies (include ussr) was what kept Europe afloat against hitler.

Japan was basically defeated solely by the US navy.  Conveniently also saving China in the process.

When WW2 ended,  as the sole undamaged economy,  it directly/ indirectly bankrolled the reconstruction of Europe... including former enemies Germany,  Italy,  Japan. 

After that,  it repeated for South Korea.

Little of any of those was ever repaid. Cos of the US belief in a "free world"... kinda idealistic.  But there was NEVER a super power that behaved that way.

But more importantly,  the US navy ensured that freedom of navigation in the oceans was real for the first time in history. It made possible the global trade that ensured unknown before prosperity for most EVERYONE,  even Russian ships, while countries like Singapore are alive only because of it.... Lky knew and built a carrier berth.

It's undeniable many countries took advantage and were frankly parasitic in this equation. This includes Europe too.

Things are changing,  in fact it already started since several presidents ago. Thrump is just the most vocal. 

Can't really blame them,  they want everyone to pay a fair share. The US increasingly no longer has the will nor ability to do it alone. 

There US could revert to pre WW2 isolationism,  and people who are cheering it have no bloody idea of the consequences of what they are talking about.

While you make a compelling case that the US had been playing a crucial role as the (sometimes) benign sole superpower upholding democracy and freedoms, and it is justifiable that the time has come to pay, as the victors of WW2, the US has enjoyed a global hegemony that came with intangible benefits of influence and power:

- the global lingua franca is English

- the internet primarily operates in English as the baseline

- global air and sea traffic are done in English

- the US dollar is still the default currency for business or currency exchange

- American culture has spread globally to the farthest reaches of civilization 

United Kingdom and France have only themselves to blame that they didn’t likewise ride on the coattails of victory to grow and sustain their influence, but as you say, their economies were ravaged unlike the US’s.

And make no mistake, the US doesn’t send its carriers or its fighting men if it sees no benefit. 

Whether under Democrat or Republican leadership, it is far from altruistic in its aims.