should gov give COE rebate to households with many children?

[RadX]

1 minute ago, Rickster said:

I think it may be a good idea for another category of COE for luxury cars for OMV above, for example 60K.  This may actually bring more revenue to the govt as this group of COE may easily hit 200K. 😁

That's where the car dealers and importers have stepped in to "help" the poor fella with the Sienta/Freed which are cat A cars. 

than the uber richie will say, they all kanna marginalize and leave sgp.....then how?

 

Easier to import those richie with 7 kids? who wun complain?

 

aiyah....end end still same la 'all for one self'....

 

if you can't keep up, relook other options...and yes, 'want vs need'...nicely put

[Rickster]

2 minutes ago, RadX said:

than the uber richie will say, they all kanna marginalize and leave sgp.....then how?

 

Easier to import those richie with 7 kids? who wun complain?

 

aiyah....end end still same la 'all for one self'....

 

if you can't keep up, relook other options...and yes, 'want vs need'...nicely put

Lol, yes... headache, from a policy perspective again, the govt would rather the poor guy leave SG so he can buy a car in australia than the rich uncle who provides jobs.

[Ingenius]

I agree it's better to give subsidy like baby bonus which the recipient can decide how to use it, rather than fixed on Coe subsidy. Also, there are some rich families with three or more children, and they already enjoy substantial income tax rebate. Should they still qualify for the subsidy based on need ? 

And what about other groups with elderly parents and parents in laws, handicap children, will start to justify their need also. 

Edited July 26, 2022 by Ingenius

[RadX]

Just now, Rickster said:

Lol, yes... headache, from a policy perspective again, the govt would rather the poor guy leave SG so he can buy a car in australia than the rich uncle who provides jobs.

poor can go Aus ah.....more like thailand la

[RadX]

Just now, Ingenius said:

I agree it's better to give subsidy like baby bonus which the recipient can decide how to use it, rather than fixed on Coe subsidy. Also, there are some rich families with three or more children, and they already enjoy substantial income tax rebate. Should they still qualify forthe subsidy ? 

And what about other groups with elderly parents and parents in laws, handicap children, will start to justify their need also. 

and my pets....i have many cats, dogs, goldfish need to take for walks...

[inlinesix]

There is a lot of cheap ASEAN MPV which Singaporean reject.

Like Honda BRV, Toyota Avanza, Mitsubishi Xpander.

It shows the car is a want.

[Rickster]

Just now, Ingenius said:

I agree it's better to give subsidy like baby bonus which the recipient can decide how to use it, rather than fixed on Coe subsidy. Also, there are some rich families with three or more children, and they already enjoy substantial income tax rebate. Should they still qualify forthe subsidy ? 

And what about other groups with elderly parents and parents in laws, handicap children, will start to justify their need also. 

Exactly, the argument of having priority for cars will become no end. Then there will be people who try to take advantage of the system (e.g. my dad is old and i purposely buy a wheelchair for him and get a specialist to certify that his leg pain, cannot walk far) and then enforcement will be a nightmare.

[RadX]

Just now, Rickster said:

Exactly, the argument of having priority for cars will become no end. Then there will be people who try to take advantage of the system (e.g. my dad is old and i purposely buy a wheelchair for him and get a specialist to certify that his leg pain, cannot walk far) and then enforcement will be a nightmare.

and then many children....wife or mistress? hmmmm....😁

[Rickster]

1 minute ago, inlinesix said:

There is a lot of cheap ASEAN MPV which Singaporean reject.

Like Honda BRV, Toyota Avanza, Mitsubishi Xpander.

It shows the car is a want.

Exactly! Many people don't seem to understand the difference between a need and a want.

[Ingenius]

8 minutes ago, Rickster said:

I think it may be a good idea for another category of COE for luxury cars for OMV above, for example 60K.  This may actually bring more revenue to the govt as this group of COE may easily hit 200K. 😁

That's where the car dealers and importers have stepped in to "help" the poor fella with the Sienta/Freed which are cat A cars. 

By having a luxury car Coe category and limiting the quota, the prices will increase, to a point that some buyers will then switch to buy lower category car. This will eventually drive up the price of other categories as well. 

[Rickster]

1 minute ago, Ingenius said:

By having a luxury car Coe category and limiting the quota, the prices will increase, to a point that some buyers will then switch to buy lower category car. This will eventually drive up the price of other categories as well. 

Ya true, so my point raised does not really work well. Still have loopholes.

[Wind30]

4 minutes ago, Rickster said:

Exactly, the argument of having priority for cars will become no end. Then there will be people who try to take advantage of the system (e.g. my dad is old and i purposely buy a wheelchair for him and get a specialist to certify that his leg pain, cannot walk far) and then enforcement will be a nightmare.

I agree it is not easy so the priority needs to be worth the trade offs in implementation.

I feel helping families is a worthy enough cause. Our birthrate is a huge prob, just because our gov forgot about it does not mean the problem went away.

[inlinesix]

1 minute ago, Wind30 said:

I agree it is not easy so the priority needs to be worth the trade offs in implementation.

I feel helping families is a worthy enough cause. Our birthrate is a huge prob, just because our gov forgot about it does not mean the problem went away.

Govt did not forget about it.  It cannot be salvaged.

[Wind30]

14 minutes ago, Ingenius said:

I agree it's better to give subsidy like baby bonus which the recipient can decide how to use it, rather than fixed on Coe subsidy. Also, there are some rich families with three or more children, and they already enjoy substantial income tax rebate. Should they still qualify for the subsidy based on need ? 

And what about other groups with elderly parents and parents in laws, handicap children, will start to justify their need also. 

The policy is not based on need of individual family… 

the policy is based on the need of Singapore to increase our birth rate. That is the objective. I know just giving this rebate will not make people go and have the third kid, but the same can be said for every baby policy. The point is always have family friendly policies such that as a whole, all of them will make a difference.

Edited July 26, 2022 by Wind30

[Kopites]

Self entitlement discussion.

Wanting the wealthy to subsidise the poor to car ownership?

Wanting the wealthy to subsidise the poor to make more babies?

Empathy go to those that can't afford the Coe.

Can't afford; Lease/resales/public transport. 

TS proposal won't work here. 

[RadX]

Just now, Kopites said:

Self entitlement discussion.

Wanting the wealthy to subsidise the poor to car ownership?

Wanting the wealthy to subsidise the poor to make more babies?

Empathy go to those that can't afford the Coe.

Can't afford; Lease/resales/public transport. 

TS proposal won't work here. 

your executive summary tokkong....

[Wind30]

1 minute ago, Kopites said:

Self entitlement discussion.

Wanting the wealthy to subsidise the poor to car ownership?

Wanting the wealthy to subsidise the poor to make more babies?

Empathy go to those that can't afford the Coe.

Can't afford; Lease/resales/public transport. 

TS proposal won't work here. 

…. Sigh… 

its 

wanting the singles, small family to subsidise big families for car ownership.
 

Sometimes I wonder why I even bother when people don’t read.

[Rickster]

9 minutes ago, Wind30 said:

I agree it is not easy so the priority needs to be worth the trade offs in implementation.

I feel helping families is a worthy enough cause. Our birthrate is a huge prob, just because our gov forgot about it does not mean the problem went away.

If it's helping birth rate, there are many other things the govt can do to boost it, which is much more effective than priority for a car.

For example, if a family with 3 or more kids can have priority in any new HDB prime location launch, or priority to take part in primary school admission phase 2A/2B, it will have much greater impact than having priority to buy cars. Or they can even give crazy idea that they will have priority booking when it comes to taxi/PHV service.