Cabinet Reshuffled

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9 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

Demoted - None

Pushed sideway - None

Retirement - None

Demoted? So far who got demoted?  I think once they got promoted or become full minister, whether or that person can perform or not, still continue his/her title and salary. Nothing got affected and change. Unlike in private company, if my boss finds that my job performance not up to his/her expectation, i would not get promoted for at least for the next 5-10 years. And increment would be lesser than the rest or even no increment at all.

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59 minutes ago, Flying_genie said:

CNA article only mentioned who was promoted. But, who were the ones demoted or pushed sideways to a retirement job?

Is ah Heng going to retire? 😅

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58 minutes ago, Flying_genie said:

Seem like Lexus or Volvo is favored. As long the car not more flashy than the boss'.

Boss is driving BMW now.

[inlinesix]

1 minute ago, 13177 said:

Demoted? So far who got demoted?  I think once they got promoted or become full minister, whether or that person can perform or not, still continue his/her title and salary. Nothing got affected and change. Unlike in private company, if my boss finds that my job performance not up to his/her expectation, i would not get promoted for at least for the next 5-10 years. And increment would be lesser than the rest or even no increment at all.

HSK is no longer Finance Minister after previous cabinet reshuffling.

PM (just like your boss) will determine each office holder's performance.

 

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7 minutes ago, Watwheels said:

If you dont have so many cards how much shuffling and reshuffling can you make?

True. You see some company the hierarchy level is quite small, there is little change or not much change to the people in the company. If there is only one department manager or GM up there, the rest of the people below would never able to move up or become manager, if that dept manager/GM never resign or retire and stay in the company for donkey years.

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17 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

Bro, you go and wiki la.

GM and Director are 1 of the most misused job title.

I dont understand why a company needs GM and Director? Esp GM? Thought having managers should be enough, and report directly to CEO or director. Why need a GM? Esp for companies with small headcount. For big company, maybe i understand.

[inlinesix]

6 minutes ago, 13177 said:

I dont understand why a company needs GM and Director? Esp GM? Thought having managers should be enough, and report directly to CEO or director. Why need a GM? Esp for companies with small headcount. For big company, maybe i understand.

A lot of times, big ppl want 1 or 2 reportee only.  That's why they have an in-between layer when company make money.

[Watwheels]

16 minutes ago, 13177 said:

True. You see some company the hierarchy level is quite small, there is little change or not much change to the people in the company. If there is only one department manager or GM up there, the rest of the people below would never able to move up or become manager, if that dept manager/GM never resign or retire and stay in the company for donkey years.

Singapore mostly made up of SMEs. Hierarchy needs to look at company size. Unless you work in an MNC or govt sector but then they will pick the best ppl to work for them. So if you and I are not in it we are not the best. No need to say what promotion.

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41 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

A lot of times, big ppl want 1 or 2 reportee only.  That's why they have an in-between layer when company make money.

I remember i went to a company for an interview donkey years ago. The manager interviewed me told me everyone in her department reported directly to her. Whether it is assistant, officer, executive or senior executive. 🙄 So even if you are a senior executive, there is no one reporting to you. I dont know why there is such level of reporting? The manager wants to be in control everything?

[SGCMmadman]

Whether u support govt or not, we sporeans mus be thankful our parliament not like our bros/sis in malaysia. 

[Enye]

wah… good luck trying to lead and manage the lao jiaos

annual appraisal will be a nightmare

he not the crown prince, who gonna give him face?

😬😅

Edited June 7, 2022 by Enye

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21 minutes ago, Watwheels said:

Singapore mostly made up of SMEs. Hierarchy needs to look at company size. Unless you work in an MNC or govt sector but then they will pick the best ppl to work for them. So if you and I are not in it we are not the best. No need to say what promotion.

I always find promotion depends on the person you are reporting to and appraising you. No need must be the best to get promoted lo. If your boss is those difficult type, no matter what you do also difficult to get promoted. If your boss is those chin chye type, he/she would try to give you a promotion every 2-4 years, or even no promotion given but also would give you a better increment once a while.

[inlinesix]

4 minutes ago, SGCMmadman said:

Whether u support govt or not, we sporeans mus be thankful our parliament not like our bros/sis in malaysia. 

We haven't reached that level of bipartisan YET.

[inlinesix]

15 minutes ago, 13177 said:

I remember i went to a company for an interview donkey years ago. The manager interviewed me told me everyone in her department reported directly to her. Whether it is assistant, officer, executive or senior executive. 🙄 So even if you are a senior executive, there is no one reporting to you. I dont know why there is such level of reporting? The manager wants to be in control everything?

She is a micromanager la.

My previous boss in Beijing come to work on time.  Leave the office on time.

He delegates most of his work down to his direct report.

All his direct reportee have a 1 on 1 meeting with him weekly. 

Have to tell him the progress of the work he delegates downward. 

His secretary will also actively follow up nearer to the deadline (he gave).

My boss has only 4 direct reportees. 

This is a department of 50 pax with offices spanning over 3 different cities.

Edited June 7, 2022 by inlinesix

[Stratovarius]

1 hour ago, 13177 said:

I think it is common to find many managers in a company nowadays, thats why it is not difficult to find people who is holding a manager title, even a person in their 20s already can become manager liao. Like you said, due to manager got like many many levels. However, i dont know what is these manager salary like? Example, would you want to become a manager with a salary of $5k or you are ok holding an executive title with the same salary? Lol.

many are just manager in title and not manager in role. All of us wants career progression. imagine if a group of executives stay in the company for 5 years. With "career progression" many of them will get promoted to managers. But if the company does not expand or grow, there will be no need for real managers. So they just create more manager titles because their pay scale no longer fit the role. This is good for the employees but may not be good for the company on the long run. the organization will be very "heavy" if there is no organic growth in the company. 

But this does not apply to PAP. the people are paying them and they can just go on and create roles and jobs (like the mayor bs) for their own people as long as they see fit. 

[Didu]

Promo as of June 13  😁

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44 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

She is a micromanager la.

My previous boss in Beijing come to work on time.  Leave the office on time.

He delegates most of his work down to his direct report.

All his direct reportee have a 1 on 1 meeting with him weekly. 

Have to tell him the progress of the work he delegates downward. 

His secretary will also actively follow up nearer to the deadline (he gave).

My boss has only 4 direct reportees. 

This is a department of 50 pax with offices spanning over 3 different cities.

I have encounter many micromanager, even they so called delegates their work to their staff, they still want their staff to keep them in the loop in all correspondence, keeping track of their staff work progression and the way they do their work. Maybe this is why such manager can become the dept head or become a GM in the company, maybe other than they want to control everything but also they dont trust others people work capability? They find all others people dont work as good as what they do? Lol. 

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14 minutes ago, Stratovarius said:

many are just manager in title and not manager in role. All of us wants career progression. imagine if a group of executives stay in the company for 5 years. With "career progression" many of them will get promoted to managers. But if the company does not expand or grow, there will be no need for real managers. So they just create more manager titles because their pay scale no longer fit the role. This is good for the employees but may not be good for the company on the long run. the organization will be very "heavy" if there is no organic growth in the company. 

But this does not apply to PAP. the people are paying them and they can just go on and create roles and jobs (like the mayor bs) for their own people as long as they see fit. 

This is why for some companies, there is not really many opportunity and career progression since company does not need for real managers and also no good for the company on the long run. So if an executive stay in the company for even 10 years also dont have any career progression.