Military Talk Thread Part 2

[Atonchia]

11 hours ago, Picnic06-Biante15 said:

Congratulation ...

You can claim two kosong prata and teh alia from @kobayashiGT  in next MU he organise. 

So I get 4 pcs and 2 teh?🤣

 

[Atonchia]

5 hours ago, DOBIEMKZ said:

China military must be able to destroy Elon Musk’s Starlink satellites if they threaten national security: scientists

. Researchers call for development of anti-satellite capabilities including ability to track, monitor and disable each craft

. The Starlink platform with its thousands of satellites is believed to be indestructible

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3178939/china-military-needs-defence-against-potential-starlink-threat

Published: 12:00pm, 25 May, 2022

The unprecedented scale, complexity and flexibility of Starlink would force the Chinese military to develop new anti-satellite capabilities, according to researchers in China. Photo: Shutterstock

Chinese military researchers say the country needs to be able to disable or destroy SpaceX’s Starlink satellites if they threaten national security.

According to a paper published last month, China needs to develop anti-satellite capabilities, including a surveillance system with unprecedented scale and sensitivity to track and monitor every Starlink satellite.

The study was led by Ren Yuanzhen, a researcher with the Beijing Institute of Tracking and Telecommunications under the PLA’s Strategic Support Force. Co-authors included several senior scientists in China’s defence industry.

Ren and his colleagues could not immediately be reached for comment and it is uncertain to what extent their view represents an official stance of the Chinese military or government.

The unprecedented scale, complexity and flexibility of Starlink would force the Chinese military to develop new anti-satellite capabilities, according to researchers in China. 

“A combination of soft and hard kill methods should be adopted to make some Starlink satellites lose their functions and destroy the constellation’s operating system,” said the paper, published in domestic peer-reviewed journal Modern Defence Technology.

Starlink is the most ambitious satellite communication project ever, providing broadband internet services to commercial and military users around the globe.

SpaceX founder Elon Musk has enjoyed huge popularity in China as a role model for innovation. But criticism of Musk and his companies increased significantly after two Starlink satellites approached dangerously close to the Chinese space station last year.

Ren estimated that US military drones and stealth fighter jets could increase their data transmission speed by more than 100 times with a Starlink connection.

SpaceX has signed a contract with the US Defence Department to develop new technology based on the Starlink platform, including sensitive instruments able to detect and track hypersonic weapons travelling at five times the speed of sound, or even faster in the Earth’s atmosphere.

Starlink satellites are also equipped with ion thrusters that allow them to change orbits rapidly for an offensive move against high value targets in space, according to Ren’s team.


With more than 2,300 satellites – and counting – in orbit, Starlink is generally believed to be indestructible because the system can maintain proper functioning after losing some satellites.

Starlink satellites could threaten China’s national security in space and on the ground, according to the researchers. Photo: Beijing Institute of Tracking and Telecommunications.

The unprecedented scale, complexity and flexibility of Starlink would force the Chinese military to develop new anti-satellite capabilities, according to Ren and his colleagues.

For instance, it would be possible for satellites carrying military payloads to be launched amid a batch of Starlink’s commercial craft, they suggested.
The Chinese military therefore needed to upgrade its existing space surveillance systems to obtain super-sharp images of these small satellites for experts to identify unusual features, they said.

China claims it has already developed numerous ground-based laser imaging devices that can photograph orbiting satellites at a millimetre-resolution, but in addition to optical and radar imaging, the country also needs to be able to intercept signals from each Starlink satellite to detect any potential threat, according to Ren.

He said China had also showed its ability to destroy a satellite with a missile, but this method could produce a large amount of space debris, and the cost would be too high against a system consisting of many small, relatively low-cost satellites.

“The Starlink constellation constitutes a decentralised system. The confrontation is not about individual satellites, but the whole system. This requires some low-cost, high-efficiency measures,” said the researchers without elaborating on the methods of attack.

According to openly available information, China has been developing numerous alternative anti-satellite technologies, including microwaves that can jam communications or burn electronic components.

Chinese scientists have also developed lasers for blinding or damaging satellites, nano-sats that can be launched in huge numbers to cripple bigger satellites, and cyber weapons to hack into the satellite communication network.

SpaceX did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

A Beijing-based space scientist who asked not to be named because of the issue’s sensitivity, said the paper could be the first open call for an attack on Starlink from China.

It was not entirely a surprise, considering the growing tension between China and the United States, he said. “But the mainstream opinion, as far as I know, is that our countermeasures should be constructive. That means building our own internet satellite network.

China has launched a similar project known as Xing Wang – StarNet – to provide internet access on a global scale.

The StarNet system will have only a few hundred satellites, but will achieve high performance by connecting with other Chinese satellites to form a high-speed, powerful and resilient information infrastructure with cutting-edge technology such as laser communication and AI, according to Chinese space authorities.

Ronald Reagan star wars revisited?

[DOBIEMKZ]

9 hours ago, Atonchia said:

Ronald Reagan star wars revisited?

Looks so. And now is USA vs PRC.

[macrosszero]

https://www.defensenews.com/global/asia-pacific/2021/12/23/malaysia-keen-on-buying-kuwaits-hornet-fighter-jets/

Malaysia's hopes of buying Kuwaiti Hornets must surely be boosted by the fact that its going to be harder to obtain spares for the Su-30s...

[macrosszero]

In perhaps the sign of the times, at Eurosatory 2022, Rheinmetall showed not one but two Leopard 2 chassis-derived main battle tanks, one an improvement upon the A5/A6 variant featuring active protection systems and the other with what appears to be a new turret or radically improved A4 turret mounting a 130mm gun and packing loitering munitions.

Here is the Leopard and it’s proposed stablemate, the Panther. The revival of the name harks back to WW2 where some argue it would have been the most well rounded tank combining mobility firepower and armour in one package like a modern day MBT, had it not been for quality issues and lack of fuel.

 

Edited June 14, 2022 by Macrosszero

[Playtime]

4 hours ago, Macrosszero said:

In perhaps the sign of the times, at Eurosatory 2022, Rheinmetall showed not one but two Leopard 2 chassis-derived main battle tanks, one an improvement upon the A5/A6 variant featuring active protection systems and the other with what appears to be a new turret or radically improved A4 turret mounting a 130mm gun and packing loitering munitions.

Here is the Leopard and it’s proposed stablemate, the Panther. The revival of the name harks back to WW2 where some argue it would have been the most well rounded tank combining mobility firepower and armour in one package like a modern day MBT, had it not been for quality issues and lack of fuel.

 

I wonder why they so lazy to find name 🤣

Panther and tiger are legendary tanks already. Its like if Russia call its new Armata T34 instead. 😑

Got other big cat names.. call it Sabretooth.. cos 130mm.😆

[Playtime]

Interesting that the new tank doesn't have commander MG.

And the main gun has that shroud thingy like seen on the browning heavy mg. Perhaps to prevent the driver climbing out and touching a hot barrel.... though not sure how hot a tank barrel can get considering it has a slow rate compared to mg.🤔

[inlinesix]

[Thaiyotakamli]

Hokkien ship

https://www.todayonline.com/world/china-launches-third-aircraft-carrier-named-after-province-opposite-taiwan-1927301?fbclid=IwAR3B92rjmfoXsHj1vdCic650OWw8bk_ppRL5RPL-oiWt4YphVSyM-XJRC0s&fs=e&s=cl

[Atonchia]

On 6/1/2022 at 11:05 PM, Macrosszero said:

https://www.defensenews.com/global/asia-pacific/2021/12/23/malaysia-keen-on-buying-kuwaits-hornet-fighter-jets/

Malaysia's hopes of buying Kuwaiti Hornets must surely be boosted by the fact that its going to be harder to obtain spares for the Su-30s...

Huh?

Will there be any missing jets?😅

They lost some jet engines before right?

[Atonchia]

On 6/14/2022 at 3:04 PM, Playtime said:

I wonder why they so lazy to find name 🤣

Panther and tiger are legendary tanks already. Its like if Russia call its new Armata T34 instead. 😑

Got other big cat names.. call it Sabretooth.. cos 130mm.😆

Should call Civet lah. 

Heard stuff shoot out from Civet very good quality highly sought after by connoisseur. 

By naming tank civet sure have potent fire power.🤣🤣

[Atonchia]

On 6/14/2022 at 10:19 PM, inlinesix said:

Only Dr can use such long words for reply. 🤣

[Atonchia]

35 minutes ago, Thaiyotakamli said:

Hokkien ship

https://www.todayonline.com/world/china-launches-third-aircraft-carrier-named-after-province-opposite-taiwan-1927301?fbclid=IwAR3B92rjmfoXsHj1vdCic650OWw8bk_ppRL5RPL-oiWt4YphVSyM-XJRC0s&fs=e&s=cl

4th Carrier should call Guangzhou.

Canton, the place where Wong Fei Hung came from. Very popular Martial Art Master and Physician😅 

If really name Guangzhou will signify China strong urge of South China Sea.

 

I suspect 4th will be Guangdong

5th will be Hainan.

Edited June 17, 2022 by Atonchia

[Volvobrick]

On 6/14/2022 at 9:58 AM, Macrosszero said:

In perhaps the sign of the times, at Eurosatory 2022, Rheinmetall showed not one but two Leopard 2 chassis-derived main battle tanks, one an improvement upon the A5/A6 variant featuring active protection systems and the other with what appears to be a new turret or radically improved A4 turret mounting a 130mm gun and packing loitering munitions.

Here is the Leopard and it’s proposed stablemate, the Panther. The revival of the name harks back to WW2 where some argue it would have been the most well rounded tank combining mobility firepower and armour in one package like a modern day MBT, had it not been for quality issues and lack of fuel.

 

 

 

 

If cannot auto defeat incoming missile/arty round then it will be just a very expensive target as the current war has shown.

PLUS - I would prefer it to be called "King Tiger"!  I had a Tamiya model.

 

 

[mersaylee]

44 minutes ago, Thaiyotakamli said:

Hokkien ship

https://www.todayonline.com/world/china-launches-third-aircraft-carrier-named-after-province-opposite-taiwan-1927301?fbclid=IwAR3B92rjmfoXsHj1vdCic650OWw8bk_ppRL5RPL-oiWt4YphVSyM-XJRC0s&fs=e&s=cl

Painted in red green and white? 😁

[Thaiyotakamli]

25 minutes ago, Atonchia said:

4th Carrier should call Guangzhou.

Canton, the place where Wong Fei Hung came from. Very popular Martial Art Master and Physician😅 

If really name Guangzhou will signify China strong urge of South China Sea.

 

I suspect 4th will be Guangdong

5th will be Hainan.

6th macau equipped with  roulette table

[Playtime]

On 6/14/2022 at 10:19 PM, inlinesix said:

I think the pla general busy googling .. 他妈的什么鸟是 discombobulating。stun like vegetable. 

Han is really Sir Humphrey Appleby standard this time,  the guy probably didn't even realise he being told :"不爽可以别来!!你以为你是谁。"

Personally I really dislike the way prc 官员talk, they absolutely fail to understand they are not talking to hometown prc who need to kow tow to their every word. 

 

[Atonchia]

44 minutes ago, Thaiyotakamli said:

6th macau equipped with  roulette table

Hahaha

The main support ship already out sailing.....

Called Jumbo.

Edited June 17, 2022 by Atonchia