The Electric Vehicle Charging Problem

[D3badge]

  On 3/20/2022 at 3:46 AM, inlinesix said:

$1/mins for hogging charging station.

👍🏻

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Is this enforce ? As many times rules are set but aren’t really enforce ! Like not flushing after urine hahaha

[inlinesix]

  On 3/20/2022 at 3:47 AM, D3badge said:

Is this enforce ? As many times rules are set but aren’t really enforce ! Like not flushing after urine hahaha

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Currently no enforcement on charger hogging.

It is ez to enforce

[Voodooman]

  On 3/20/2022 at 3:05 AM, Alfc said:

I think the opposite actually, when people just over-simplify the solution. Setting up of infrastructure is not just pure economics but also a lot of other functions in hardware setup/configuration, compatibility (new gen charger or battery come out how to handle?), infrastructure setup (sub-stations, power grid etc), licensing (need to go through how many stat board for each setup etc), maintenance, approvals, safety. Maybe i just overthink... but what I dun like is when people use the “没想到。。。” convenient and conventional excuse....    

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I think the main challenges are technology (range, battery longevity, cost, etc) in the early years. As the commercial case for EV is almost there, mass adoption will likely accelerate from here on.

The rest of the logistic issues can be resolved by market.  If it makes sense to build more charging stations as there are money to be made, there will be investors, a lot of people, banks included, are happy to throw a lot of money into this sector. 

Anyway, said it a hundred times, i just don't understand why people are so skeptical. Let's revisit in 5 years time and see who is right.

[D3badge]

  On 3/20/2022 at 3:50 AM, Voodooman said:

I think the main challenges are technology (range, battery longevity, cost, etc) in the early years. As the commercial case for EV is almost there, mass adoption will likely accelerate from here on.

The rest of the logistic issues can be resolved by market.  If it makes sense to build more charging stations as there are money to be made, there will be investors, a lot of people, banks included, are happy to throw a lot of money into this sector. 

Anyway, said it a hundred times, i just don't understand why people are so skeptical. Let's revisit in 5 years time and see who is right.

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This tell you subconsciously the public do not have confidence with LTA doing this EV bah!

[inlinesix]

  On 3/20/2022 at 3:54 AM, D3badge said:

This tell you subconsciously the public do not have confidence with LTA doing this EV bah!

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A lot of times, ppl want convenience.

Don’t expect more than 3 charger per MSCP.

If want to continue to drive, must be agile.

 

[Datsun366]

  On 3/20/2022 at 1:35 AM, Alfc said:

Mathematically yes it can be worked out. But practical  considerations have to be sorted out too. The biggest problem with calculated utilization is it assumes uniform usage which is almost non-existence. The golden charging period would probably be between 7pm to 7am where residents return from work. And if charging allowed say 3-4hours per user, also cannot be people go down at midnight to shift cars. So the real usable charging slot period is a lot shorter. I still cannot visualize how many chargers are really needed to make it work for every MSCP. 

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The focus of yours is efficiency.

Mine would be about safety. How do we keep it safe from a exploding mscp by mal intent? Jurong west mscp massive fire all the cars in a row.

Even vigilant policing by our mighty car mods cannot keep the forum from crazy or virus linked postings...

Special access floor for evs, individual issued detachable sockets , patrolling and what not. Additional costs. Or additional profit.

Its like going IT when upgrading from pen and paper in healthcare. Tiagong restrict internet access and dumping of personal hiv information?

EV good but should be exclusive for the moment, let the rich and responsible deal with it and the really rich and fat stay EV free and budget conscious.

[Volvobrick]

  On 3/20/2022 at 3:57 AM, Datsun366 said:

The focus of yours is efficiency.

Mine would be about safety. How do we keep it safe from a exploding mscp by mal intent? Jurong west mscp massive fire all the cars in a row.

Even vigilant policing by our mighty car mods cannot keep the forum from crazy or virus linked postings...

Special access floor for evs, individual issued detachable sockets , patrolling and what not. Additional costs. Or additional profit.

Its like going IT when upgrading from pen and paper in healthcare. Tiagong restrict internet access and dumping of personal hiv information?

EV good but should be exclusive for the moment, let the rich and responsible deal with it and the really rich and fat stay EV free and budget conscious.

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I hope for once LTA/HDB have some common sense to locate the charging stations on the top floor of the MSCP - to reduce fire risk to the rest and to discourage EV owners from hogging the stations. Less will want to drive all the way up just to park or charge 5% of the capacity. 

 

BUT i am sure I will be disappointed again. 

[inlinesix]

  On 3/20/2022 at 4:02 AM, Volvobrick said:

I hope for once LTA/HDB have some common sense to locate the charging stations on the top floor of the MSCP - to reduce fire risk to the rest and to discourage EV owners from hogging the stations. Less will want to drive all the way up just to park or charge 5% of the capacity. 

BUT i am sure I will be disappointed again. 

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None of EV charging station will be on top floor.
Even those in shopping mall.

Get out of Buttock Hill to see the world 

[Mrmilktooth]

How much will a EV car cost with coe, road tax, electric tax?.. on top of sure the charging station will not blow up to start fire?… if it’s not going to cost less than ICE cheapest models.. I don’t care what snake oil u selling in Singapore. We are too small a market to matter to the car makers… 

[Mkl22]

  On 3/20/2022 at 3:40 AM, Voodooman said:

LTA may have screwed up on a few things but truths be told, our road and public transport network are probably better than many other countries. 

 

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IMHO, I disagree with “a few”. 😭

As long as senior management is ex SAF, the screw ups will continue. Let see how big the boo boo on EV will be and how much public funds will be wasted. 
I have some reservations on slow 3.7kwh charges for all HDBs

Edited March 20, 2022 by Mkl22

[inlinesix]

  On 3/20/2022 at 4:13 AM, Mrmilktooth said:

How much will a EV car cost with coe, road tax, electric tax?.. on top of sure the charging station will not blow up to start fire?… if it’s not going to cost less than ICE cheapest models.. I don’t care what snake oil u selling in Singapore. We are too small a market to matter to the car makers… 

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Going forward, EV is the mainstream for automakers.

[Datsun366]

  On 3/20/2022 at 4:16 AM, Mkl22 said:

IMHO, I disagree with “a few”. 😭

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I cannot publicly agree, but a knife cuts both ways. LTA is the knife and its the chef that has the accident.

Prease, chefs are human. Only can make less mistakes. Not a few mistakes.

How I know hah?

Edited March 20, 2022 by Datsun366

[Rm2s]

  On 3/20/2022 at 4:16 AM, inlinesix said:

Going forward, EV is the mainstream for automakers.

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I actually cannot think of a modern automaker that has not made their EV plan public and that most (if not all) of them will only produce EV moving forward. EV is inevitable for us here.

I like your suggestion of $1/min after charging reached 100% (perhaps should be 80%). It should be implemented and requires no extra manpower to monitor. All should be software driven. So inconsiderate owners can park there as long as they want and it will be $60 an hour. I bet you people will be efficient by default.

I just read that Apple has already enabled their map to calculate how much battery juice will be used for a given trip for cars in the US, though at this point it is limited to a single car model. I can see this feature being replicated into Google Map and by working with car manufacturers, this will be a great feature for EV owner to feel comfortable moving from place to place.

[ER-3682]

  On 3/20/2022 at 3:47 AM, Karoon said:

https://www.bernama.com/en/general/news.php?id=2062324

Plan != execute

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But 75% not Working...or by 2025 this Minister Datuk Lim no more working,the Plan flop again.

Edited March 20, 2022 by ER-3682

[Enye]

  On 3/20/2022 at 4:02 AM, Volvobrick said:

I hope for once LTA/HDB have some common sense to locate the charging stations on the top floor of the MSCP - to reduce fire risk to the rest and to discourage EV owners from hogging the stations. Less will want to drive all the way up just to park or charge 5% of the capacity. 

 

BUT i am sure I will be disappointed again. 

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boss… later you see ev owners pushing their cars up to the top floor because car run out of juice halfway up

😅🤣

[inlinesix]

  On 3/20/2022 at 4:36 AM, Rm2s said:

I actually cannot think of a modern automaker that has not made their EV plan public and that most (if not all) of them will only produce EV moving forward. EV is inevitable for us here.

I like your suggestion of $1/min after charging reached 100% (perhaps should be 80%). It should be implemented and requires no extra manpower to monitor. All should be software driven. So inconsiderate owners can park there as long as they want and it will be $60 an hour. I bet you people will be efficient by default.

I just read that Apple has already enabled their map to calculate how much battery juice will be used for a given trip for cars in the US, though at this point it is limited to a single car model. I can see this feature being replicated into Google Map and by working with car manufacturers, this will be a great feature for EV owner to feel comfortable moving from place to place.

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The only issue will be hogging by not charging.

[Dannnn]

the charging time for 90%~100% is extremely slow, thus ppl will also sure complain why need to charge till 100% etc. 

lets see how they tackle this issue.

[Mkl22]

Maybe there will be a market for vehicle mounted ev chargers. 
those stand-alone charge stations for mobile phones you see at shopping places somehow didn’t take off. But maybe for EVs, rescue charging might. Maybe based on hydrogen fuel cell vehicles which can come to you can juice you up for 10kwh to get you to a charging station. 
or maybe towing is still cheaper

Edited March 20, 2022 by Mkl22