The Electric Vehicle Charging Problem

[inlinesix]

23 minutes ago, Atonchia said:

Air liquide to sell to retailers.

I think EV cars are preferred is the torque and acceleration it offers compare to Fuel cell car.

Though the EV charging takes a longer time.

Currently, there is no economies of scale for fuel cell car Globally.

We have to see car models available Globally.

Not just about our own infrastructure 

 

[Atonchia]

2 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

Currently, there is no economies of scale for fuel cell car Globally.

We have to see car models available Globally.

Not just about our own infrastructure 

 

True, I think also because there isn't an Elon Musk in fuel cell cars manufacturer. 

Tesla sets the halo standard in EV.

Whereby Fuel cell cars are boring design from Toyota and Hyundai. 

[inlinesix]

10 hours ago, Atonchia said:

True, I think also because there isn't an Elon Musk in fuel cell cars manufacturer. 

Tesla sets the halo standard in EV.

Whereby Fuel cell cars are boring design from Toyota and Hyundai. 

1 of the biggest player of EV is Rimac.

Not many knows this company 

[Dannnn]

I've driven the mini cooper S and the SE(EV) back to back, they are rated the same bhp/torque.

if u were to ask me, the 2L ICE anytime. 

[Heartlander]

22 hours ago, kobayashiGT said:

If petrol go above $4/litre. 

The ev charging problem is not a problem. 😭

It will become a HUGE problem with more people buying one thinking can save cost.

[Voodooman]

21 hours ago, Ingenius said:

This video explains that the price barrier of usd$36k, 31 minutes charging time and minimum range of 291 miles, have been overcome.  The problem with ev adoption is that the cost of building a 250kw charging station is about $350k, and is not proliferate yet. And so this translate to not enough charging station being built, and this pose a problem of ev vehicle unable to charge and acheive a range longer than 291 miles, when travelling between states. 

It is a problem with infrastructure, as it is a chicken and egg problem. One charging station is built for every x number of cars. Not enough cars, not enough charging station.  And the electricity grit also has to be ready, which is not built to be, long ago. 

 

And different ev uses different adapter, like Tesla is different from Nissan. 

Something like that. 

The US is 13,000x bigger than SG, we bought adopt EV faster than many countries. 

[Datsun366]

One thing i learn about Singaporeans is that we tend to think we can keep moving forward and we are entitled to the good stuff.

What about stagnation or reverse growth.

EV charging is for first world.

We may have yet to go the way of the third.

 居安思危。

[Atonchia]

1 hour ago, inlinesix said:

1 of the biggest player of EV is Rimac.

Not many knows this company 

Really never hear before😅.

Tesla  = Virgin Air

Because both the CEOs make bold statement. And can deliver. They are part of the strong brand status.

[Atonchia]

55 minutes ago, Heartlander said:

It will become a HUGE problem with more people buying one thinking can save cost.

It's a bit like Punggol.....

Started with only 2 main entrance and exit from the town along TPE/SLE

Quick adoption with many more shifted in the traffic is really bad.

The infrastructure was way behind the demand and usage. 

I have a feeling same thing will happen to the EV. 

But I am not jumping into EV yet. 

Cannot have long drive into MY with EV.

Most EV 400+km range only. 

 

[inlinesix]

1 hour ago, Dannnn said:

I've driven the mini cooper S and the SE(EV) back to back, they are rated the same bhp/torque.

if u were to ask me, the 2L ICE anytime. 

Why ICE?

[inlinesix]

22 minutes ago, Atonchia said:

Really never hear before😅.

Tesla  = Virgin Air

Because both the CEOs make bold statement. And can deliver. They are part of the strong brand status.

Rimac do a lot of electrical work for traditional automaker.

They are best in this aspect.

That’s why Rimac Nivera got 1,400hp.

Edited March 19, 2022 by inlinesix

[Dannnn]

@inlinesix The driving feel, engine sound etc.

and yes there is turbo lag for the 2L but overall feel more fun.

and also the looks. The ev look dull..

 

of cos i nv tried before the panamera vs taycan. Heard rave review about taycan

[inlinesix]

4 minutes ago, Dannnn said:

@inlinesix The driving feel, engine sound etc.

and yes there is turbo lag for the 2L but overall feel more fun.

and also the looks. The ev look dull..

of cos i nv tried before the panamera vs taycan. Heard rave review about taycan

Switch on sports mode and turbo lag gone.

Panny V6 vs Taycan. 325hp vs 402hp

I believe Taycan should be more fun. 400hp RWD is rare.

 

[Karoon]

13 hours ago, ER-3682 said:

A few Weeks ago,our Gov't said by 2025,each HDB Carpark with have 3 Overnight Chargers,i wonder if that Carpark have 30 EV,what is the chance of getting the Charger.?

No chance. All 30 taken up by bluesg cars

[inlinesix]

3 minutes ago, Karoon said:

No chance. All 30 taken up by bluesg cars

BlueSG car has to park at BlueSG charging station.

Otherwise, money continues out

[inlinesix]

Porsche says 80 percent of its cars will be electric by 2030

It has pledged to build out its own range of charging stations.
https://www.engadget.com/porsche-plans-80-percent-ev-by-2030-113557450.html

[Fitvip]

19 hours ago, Atonchia said:

I think most gov prefer EV because they get tarrif from selling electricity.

If sell gas, not sure there is framework to tax the sales. 

Petrol is also straight forward. Have excise duties and GST collected. 

but I think selling liquid hydrogen is faster than charging batteries.

or SG should allow both system to run concurrently. Allow consumer preference. 

car power output will be main criteria for road tax and COE.

When they want to collect, it is very easy.

For petrol, in addition to excise duties and gst, there is such thing as petrol tax on per litre basis! It has been increased many times and it is not a few cents! I remember once Tharman increased 40 cents per litre. The latest was based on the grade of petrol!

So for gas, they can use the same method. 

Unless the gas is easy to obtain, it will not appeal to people. Further more, if our northern neighbours do not have, not many people will buy gas operated cars also.

[Voodooman]

8 hours ago, Datsun366 said:

One thing i learn about Singaporeans is that we tend to think we can keep moving forward and we are entitled to the good stuff.

What about stagnation or reverse growth.

EV charging is for first world.

We may have yet to go the way of the third.

 居安思危。

Nothing to do with growth and stagflation....  we are small country and we don't have a lot of the same problems faced by the US, range, incompatible adaptors, grid, sharing of charging facilities, etc. It won't take huge investment to rollout the network, so adoption will be faster.