Putin starts “military operation” on Ukraine

[Kb27]

in terms of humanitarian aid, until Aug 2022, USA has sent $9.2 bil to Ukraine,

Taiwan has probably sent more than China.

https://app.23degrees.io/view/tAuBi41LxvWwKZex-bar-stacked-horizontal-figure-2_csv_final

Look at the bottom of the chart.

[inlinesix]

  On 10/5/2022 at 7:44 AM, Kb27 said:

in terms of humanitarian aid, until Aug 2022, USA has sent $9.2 bil to Ukraine,

Taiwan has probably sent more than China.

https://app.23degrees.io/view/tAuBi41LxvWwKZex-bar-stacked-horizontal-figure-2_csv_final

Look at the bottom of the chart.

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Can't see the data well as their numbers are too small

https://www.ifw-kiel.de/publications/data-sets/ukraine-support-tracker-data-17410/

According to the above link, China donated Eur2m while Taiwan donated EUR12m.

 

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  On 10/5/2022 at 5:08 AM, Ender said:

This chun yin is the one who thought having many chinese restaurant on Taiwan was good justification for claiming Taiwan?

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Former U.S. State Department Spokesperson Morgan Ortagus replied her.

[Jamesc]

To a soldier win a war is kill the enemy.

But war is not just winning battles.

The US can win all the battle but lose the war

because war is winning the hearts and minds of the people.

If US soldiers think war is about superior firepower that because they are soldiers.

But if US generals think war is just firepower and not hearts and minds its show how ignorant they are.

Killing Vietnamese farmer son and daughter who is fighting a puppet corrupt South Vietnamese government is not going to make the farmer like the US and win the war.   

  On 10/5/2022 at 6:13 AM, Sosaria said:

Most of the professional soldiers or those in the elite units feel the war could've been won.

Especially in the early days when the armed forces were mainly professionals with high morale. Not like in the later years when the ranks were filled with draftees, druggies, and less capable types, led by under-trained officers.

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[Jamesc]

This is exactly the Russian army in Ukraine today.

"armed forces were mainly professionals with high morale. Not like in the later years when the ranks were filled with draftees, druggies, and less capable types, led by under-trained officers."

And the same in Vietnam and Ukraine is because the armed forces of mainly professionals and they all got killed or injured or captured.

  On 10/5/2022 at 6:13 AM, Sosaria said:

Most of the professional soldiers or those in the elite units feel the war could've been won.

Especially in the early days when the armed forces were mainly professionals with high morale. Not like in the later years when the ranks were filled with draftees, druggies, and less capable types, led by under-trained officers.

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[Jamesc]

If the armed forces of mainly professionals and they all got killed or injured or captured.

How can US in Vietnam or Russia in Ukraine claim they are winning the war?

Tricky dick Nixon and Pudding has so much in common.

[Sosaria]

  On 10/5/2022 at 8:45 AM, Jamesc said:

If the armed forces of mainly professionals and they all got killed or injured or captured.

How can US in Vietnam or Russia in Ukraine claim they are winning the war?

Tricky dick Nixon and Pudding has so much in common.

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Not sure about russia, but in vietnam the pro armed forces were partly handicapped by their poorly thought out rules-of-engagement. The ROE sometimes allow enemy to escape (into cambodia, for example) and put the US forces at a disadvantage, but at the same time can allow massive destruction on civilians. No logic, only go by the book.

That's why in warfare the Israeli are the most successful. Just quickly achieve the objectives, heck care the methods and what the international community thinks 

 

Edited October 5, 2022 by Sosaria

[Jamesc]

People say all the news about Ukraine winning is western propaganda fake news.

So do they believe Putin saying Russia are winning and its all going to plan?

To me its so clear Putin saying Russia are winning and its all going to plan

is fake news.

I cannot understand people saying Ukraine winning is just fake news.

[Jamesc]

  On 10/5/2022 at 11:28 AM, Sosaria said:

Not sure about russia, but in vietnam the pro armed forces were partly handicapped by their poorly thought out rules-of-engagement. The ROE sometimes allow enemy to escape and put the US forces at a disadvantage, but at the same time can allow massive destruction on civilians. No logic.

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So they lost because of poorly thought out rules-of-engagement and thousands of young Americans getting, killed, losing body parts and get captured.

So if only the rules-of-engagement were clearly thought out and thousands of US soldiers didn't get killed, maimed and captured and instead the US soldiers killed, maimed and captured thousands of Vietnamese soldiers then they would have won?

Then I clearly agree with you.

It also would have helped if the US had a good general that knew what he was doing and all Vietnamese couldn't fight properly and had low morale and couldn't shoot straight and kept leaking their secrets strategies to US bar girls.

They would have won very easily.

[Atonchia]

  On 10/5/2022 at 1:53 AM, Throttle2 said:

Yes , looks scary

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And look very lethal too.

[Jamesc]

Isn't it so clear and obvious?

If Pudding is really winning why need to call up 300,000 more men?

To invite them to the victory parade?

[Sosaria]

  On 10/5/2022 at 11:37 AM, Jamesc said:

So they lost because of poorly thought out rules-of-engagement and thousands of young Americans getting, killed, losing body parts and get captured.

So if only the rules-of-engagement were clearly thought out and thousands of US soldiers didn't get killed, maimed and captured and instead the US soldiers killed, maimed and captured thousands of Vietnamese soldiers then they would have won?

Then I clearly agree with you.

It also would have helped if the US had a good general that knew what he was doing and all Vietnamese couldn't fight properly and had low morale and couldn't shoot straight and kept leaking their secrets strategies to US bar girls.

They would have won very easily.

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Here's just one example

https://militaryhistorynow.com/2021/07/05/dont-shoot-the-rubber-trees-vet-recalls-absurd-rules-of-engagement-gis-faced-in-vietnam-war/

Similarly self-defeating rules limited the use of air power over north vietnam.

But you are right about poor leadership. The war was being planned and decision made by civilian political leaders in washington, rather than at the operational level on the ground. Hence the ridiculous rules imposed. And led to defeat. Rinse and repeat in Afghanistan.

Suspect the Russian also have same problem, as inherited soviet red army command structure is very centralised and rigid.

Edited October 5, 2022 by Sosaria

[Ender]

Will Ukraine received the S. Korean Chiron?

 

 

[Ender]

Looks like a advertisement.

 

[Jamesc]

Don't listen to fake news.

Russia is winning, it all going to plan.

 

[Playtime]

  On 10/5/2022 at 2:04 PM, Ender said:

Looks like a advertisement.

 

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shit... he not even 30 but looks 45. life is hard there for sure.

[Jamesc]

Putin says Ukrainian big big success.

And annexation and retreat 'not a contradiction'.

Hahahahahahaha Bull ships!

 

 

[Jamesc]

Pudding say Russians running away is big success

and Ukrainians take land is a show of defeat.

So much Bull Ships.