Putin starts “military operation” on Ukraine

[Sturtles]

On 9/28/2024 at 8:54 PM, Ender said:

Maybe Mossad has trained the Ukrainian GUR.

 Should do a Hezbollah style mass elimination of commanders.

 

 

If Russia assassinates Ukrainian generals and president, is that fine too?

Like how Israel using booby trapped electronic communication devices to eliminate leaders of enemy leaders, and it is brilliant at the tactical level.

On the higher strategic front, I would think it's a failure. 

Because 8 billion people will now be in the clear how western agencies are without scruples when it comes to dealing with adversaries

Phosphor bombs and cluster munitions can now be deployed against western solders without qualms.

The physical hurt suffered by the receiving armies will be tremendous with these banned and regulated weapons now so freely deployed by the west.

 

 

Edited September 28, 2024 by Sturtles

[Ender]

On 9/28/2024 at 9:31 PM, Sturtles said:

 

If Russia assassinates Ukrainian generals and president, is that fine too?

Like how Israel using booby trapped electronic communication devices to eliminate leaders of enemy leaders, and it is brilliant at the tactical level.

On the higher strategic front, I would think it's a failure. 

Because 8 billion people will now be in the clear how western agencies are without scruples when it comes to dealing with adversaries

Phosphor bombs and cluster munitions can now be deployed against western solders without qualms.

The physical hurt suffered by the receiving armies will be tremendous with these banned and regulated weapons now so freely deployed by the west.

 

 

In the beginning of the SMO, the spetnaz literally was in Kyiv and targeted Zelensky. They failed. Ukrainian can't fight with their hands tight while Russia are using terror and crying victim by the their supporters when Ukraine strike back in similar style..  This colonel is responisble for many Ukrainian civilians.

 

Russian started with cluster ammunition way before Ukraine received their first cluster ammunition from USA. Russia started with Thermobaric arty fire way before Ukraine began their dragon breath drone. so don't cry if Ukraine return in similar style.

 

Maybe I  missed your condemnation of russia when they did that, sorry if that is the case.

Edited September 28, 2024 by Ender

[Sturtles]

On 9/28/2024 at 9:35 PM, Ender said:

In the beginning of the SMO, the spetnaz literally was in Kyiv and targeted Zelensky. They failed. Ukrainian can't fight with their hands tight while Russia are using terror and crying victim by the their supporters when Ukraine strike back in similar style..  This colonel is responisble for many Ukrainian civilians.

 

Russian started with cluster ammunition way before Ukraine received their first cluster ammunition from USA. Russia started with Thermobaric arty fire way before Ukraine began their dragon breath drone. so don't cry if Ukraine return in similar style.

 

Maybe I  missed your condemnation of russia when they did that, sorry if that is the case.

 

Killing civilians are warcrimes, but unfortunately, for these higher ups, we are just collateral damage. 

Both sides are guilty of such, and given the reluctance of conscripts drawn into the war, they are even more prone to committing such acts.

Condemning Russia is a must, and mostly a lip service.

But to what end.

The way I see, there is no clear strategy to Zelensky's victory plan. He is just going around begging for help, badgering for help, and unfortunately, the adversary is Russia.

[Ender]

LOL. Still loading. 

 

 

[Ender]

On 9/29/2024 at 1:00 AM, yishunite said:

What war crime was committed in Ukraine's assassination of this guy?

Why does their action lead to your conclusion all western agency "without scruples" fault?

The guy that was assassinated was a war criminal himself. Responsible for drones that killed Ukranian civilians.

[Ender]

The "victory Plan" is accepted by Biden. But the critical approval for long range strike with western weapon is still not approved.

 

 

 

 

Edited September 28, 2024 by Ender

[Kb27]

On 9/28/2024 at 4:20 AM, Ender said:

One moment cold, the next warm. Just like speaker mike johnson. Are they all like that? 

 

Trump is grifter, small time swindler. Say one thing today, do another thing tomorrow. Totally cannot be trusted.

[Volvobrick]

On 9/29/2024 at 9:18 AM, Kb27 said:

Trump is grifter, small time swindler. Say one thing today, do another thing tomorrow. Totally cannot be trusted.

Which politician can be trusted? 

[Ghgan]

 

[Ender]

Now this assassination is a war crime. This guy is a civilian, not a military personnel who works with killer drones of mass destruction. The usual pro Russian won't be crying foul.

 

 

 

[Sturtles]

On 9/29/2024 at 1:00 AM, yishunite said:

What war crime was committed in Ukraine's assassination of this guy?

Why does their action lead to your conclusion all western agency "without scruples" fault?

You are not the sharpest tool in the shed, so it’s difficult to reply 

Obviously assassination of a military target is not a war crime. That act is not a reference for the latter, and tit-for-tat is tribal mentality

Yea, your Tesla, iPhones, and Motorola walkies can instantly IED you and your family indiscriminately.

Cool move.

Just like Merkel’s communication can be tapped at will. Perhaps it will explode on her head if she wins the next term 

 

 

 

[Ender]

Ukraine launched massive drone strike at multiple Russian targets last night. 

 

 

[Lala81]

Whether assasinate here there vs opposing sides instead of the warfront, I think pretty pointless to argue since both sides of the argument is not reconcillable.

For Russia, their objectives are pretty clear. At least conquer a significant amount of Ukraine since they can't reach Kyiv realistically.
Need to establish a front that they are happy with, along some major terrain line like River or what not (I dunno the geography of Ukraine). Until an actual armistice or peace settlement can be reached, they would continue to grind along.

Now for Ukraine, it's unclear what they think they can achieve. They claim they wont stop until they drive them out of Ukraine. Their thinking is if they settle now, then the next invasion will probably end Ukraine as a sovereign state. 
Driving Russia out of Ukraine is virtually impossible without bringing in NATO despite whatever propaganda says. 
Their stunning defiance then and now is still just slowing the russian meatgrinder. It's not the vaunted Soviet meatgrinder of old, but still a big meatgrinder.

Attacking Russian soil to show weakness in Putin strategically has so far not done much, though tactically they succeeded in their operations.

I'm sure their Ukraine foreign ministry and also NATO experts have given their input on how to bring Russia to the negotiating table with a reasonable chance of settling.

But so far their victory plan, is no closer to victory, simply cos they are only playing the poison pill strategy. Pushing for the complete W. But realistically speaking, unless Russian resolve wanes, there is no complete W.

Soviet Union took 8 years to give up on afghanistan which was a war completely stacked against an occupying army. It took the North vietnamese more than a decade to bring down USA. USA took almost 20 years to give up on afghanistan and less than a decade for Iraq.

Bringing western style democracy to Russia won't work. Wait for Putin to die? Maybe but he looks pretty hale/hearty for now despite all the rumors of cancer or what rubbish.

[Lala81]

More importantly, Western resolve is traditionally the first one to wane.
Arms they can sell but they are also giving lot of $.

USA can keep printing $ to give to Ukraine. But the American appetite for a drawn out war is waning, cos lot of their politicans would look at it and say, giving money to ukraine doesn't give my state/city jobs or money. Other than the places with defence contractor building missiles/bombs.
UK with their current major infrastructure and poorly funded public services, I highly doubt they will keep pouring $ into Ukraine. They simply don't have the money.
Macron and France also have problems of their own. 

[Lala81]

Ukraine this type of country. Very hard to defend. No natural lines of defence. 

Just like Hitler think very easy to invade into Ukraine and russia then. Just mostly plains. 

 

[Beregond]

On 9/29/2024 at 6:06 PM, Lala81 said:

More importantly, Western resolve is traditionally the first one to wane.
Arms they can sell but they are also giving lot of $.

USA can keep printing $ to give to Ukraine. But the American appetite for a drawn out war is waning, cos lot of their politicans would look at it and say, giving money to ukraine doesn't give my state/city jobs or money. Other than the places with defence contractor building missiles/bombs.
UK with their current major infrastructure and poorly funded public services, I highly doubt they will keep pouring $ into Ukraine. They simply don't have the money.
Macron and France also have problems of their own. 

i think russian ukr war to US is more of a strategic purpose more then anything else. 

before the war, the relationship between russia and EU is peaking, esp with the building of the new gas pipeline, US have given multiple warning, they cannot allow russia and EU to be friends or too close. 

 

[Lala81]

On 9/29/2024 at 6:34 PM, Beregond said:

i think russian ukr war to US is more of a strategic purpose more then anything else. 

before the war, the relationship between russia and EU is peaking, esp with the building of the new gas pipeline, US have given multiple warning, they cannot allow russia and EU to be friends or too close. 

 

If we just purely take it from a point of national interest in geopolitics, I would agree.

US doesnt need anything from Russia except as a market for their companies. They don't need the Oil and gas from russia since they are Mostly middle east, canadian, domestic. 

It just needs Russia to be stable cos of the nukes. 

It may not have actively pushed for the war, but the war is not to it's disadvantage other than the risk of a nuke being used in Ukraine. 

 

 

[Ender]

Russian frozen assets transfer to Ukraine.