Putin starts “military operation” on Ukraine

[Voodooman]

On 6/21/2024 at 4:12 PM, Ender said:

Trump also no good. Biden is just a little better alternative that is doing rather badly for Ukraine. I am no Geopolitic expert, you don't see me involve much in the China thread. So I don't know much about the dynamics of other regional conflict in regards of this biden administration. But just looking at Ukraine conflict which I monitor rather closely. I see this . What they say and promise, in reality they will look for reasons to do it half heartedly.  They are the one that bound Ukraine hands in the fight, with unfair rule of conflict. They refuse F16 initially, agree when thing got worst but delay training and transfer. They are the one that stop the Sweden sending Gripens to Ukraine.  Somehow Macron saw that and compensate to send Mirage urgently.  They deny ATACMs initially, things got bad, approve limited ATACMS. Even right now, it seems, ATACMS has run out now. This is a very cautious and reactive administration. Even the decision to allow Ukraine to strike inside Russia is reactive and they were the last on the partners to approve that. They just have to wait til situation goes really bad then they make the right call for Ukraine and then it's too late.

I also monitor the frontline changes almost nightly. I can say thing got better for ukraine after the aid package arrived. But the situation is still Russian gaining more lands than Ukraine. Russia is still winning.  I am afraid the 4 oblasts are completely lost to Russia. Ukraine had an opportunity after the liberation of Kharkiv and part of Lunhansk.  But they were completely fk by USA on the promise of equipment's for the failed Summer counteroffensive. That is also the time, Russia turned from clumsy to rather competent. 

Yes, Europe need to learn Putin is primary their concern, USA can leave anytime. 

Never trust American politicians unless you controls AIPAC.  They don't even look after the interest of their country and people whom they swore to protect.  

After 4 years of Biden, think Trump might be better for peace generally although he is really a narcissist and egomaniac and can be dangerous. 

Good luck America, good luck.

Edited June 23 by Voodooman

[Ct3833]

On 6/23/2024 at 8:45 AM, Kb27 said:

90000 troops is best gathered in one place. ATACMS with cluster munitions will solve the problem. 😁

We know they are stupod but not so stupid yet ,.... unfortunately. 

[Ct3833]

Can any expert here comment, could the Ukraine firing power project to the Sea of Azov with the presence of F16 ? 

Russia Now Launching Kalibr Cruise Missiles From The Sea Of Azov

https://www.twz.com/news-features/ukraine-situation-report-russia-now-launching-kalibr-cruise-missiles-from-the-sea-of-azov

Edited June 23 by Ct3833

[Jamesc]

Putin will do to the Palestinians what Israel not allowed to do.

On 6/23/2024 at 10:37 AM, Kb27 said:

looks like they will be tricked into signing contract for some security jobs and end up in Ukraine. That will teach them. 😁

 

 

[Ender]

Don't know what's going on. LOL. 

 

 

[Ender]

Yes, deeper strike with Nato weapons.  ATACMS, Storm Shadow/SCALP, F16s can go deeper. 

 

 

[macrosszero]

On 6/24/2024 at 1:47 AM, Ender said:

Don't know what's going on. LOL. 

 

 

Either they themselves are confused or (more likely) they're playing both sides of the coin

[Ender]

Trench warfare, no time to think, act quickly. Hesitate like the orcs prepare to die.

 

 

[Ender]

Terrorist attack on Russia again. Not too long ago Putin said it was Ukraine using ISIS. This time round I guess Putin will say it's Ukraine again.

 

[Sturtles]

On 6/23/2024 at 8:14 PM, Ct3833 said:

Can any expert here comment, could the Ukraine firing power project to the Sea of Azov with the presence of F16 ? 

Russia Now Launching Kalibr Cruise Missiles From The Sea Of Azov

https://www.twz.com/news-features/ukraine-situation-report-russia-now-launching-kalibr-cruise-missiles-from-the-sea-of-azov

 

Judging from popular articles, any Russian ships not within sufficient air defence coverage zones will soon be sunk.

Just a matter of how many cruise missiles are fired before it lies at the bottom of the sea.

Russia certainly does not have the Ageis type capability or capacity.

I think it stems from Cold War doctrine, to have bigger teeth than thicker skin, and it does not work well in modern day warfare.

 

To end this war, likely Nato just have to send a few Moab into Putin's house. it is unlikely to be intercepted at a good ratio.

Do they have the guts to do it and face the consequence.

[Playtime]

On 6/23/2024 at 9:37 AM, Kb27 said:

looks like they will be tricked into signing contract for some security jobs and end up in Ukraine. That will teach them. 😁

 

Ongoing terror attack now.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/23/europe/dagestan-synagogue-attack-russia-intl-latam/index.html

Bring 43K over for 6 months  then ask them go back?🤣... yeah,  definitely need to sign contract. 

They tried to assassinate Jordanian king.

They tried to overthrow Egyptian govt. 

They succeeded in destroying Lebanon.

Now putin wants to import them,  definitely not into Moscow or St Petersburg. Maybe  he will ask Dagestan want more or not.🙄

[Ct3833]

On 6/24/2024 at 2:39 PM, Playtime said:

Ongoing terror attack now.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/23/europe/dagestan-synagogue-attack-russia-intl-latam/index.html

Bring 43K over for 6 months  then ask them go back?🤣... yeah,  definitely need to sign contract. 

They tried to assassinate Jordanian king.

They tried to overthrow Egyptian govt. 

They succeeded in destroying Lebanon.

Now putin wants to import them,  definitely not into Moscow or St Petersburg. Maybe  he will ask Dagestan want more or not.🙄

Maybe there are told will be given army training, once completed, they will be given a  free riffle each to fight Isreal

[Playtime]

On 6/24/2024 at 1:47 AM, Ender said:

Don't know what's going on. LOL. 

 

 

Read it this way. There's no forever enemies.

Japan, Germany are former enemies of US in WW2, under US umbrella they are arguably the envy of any country in the world now.

Even iraq retains independence. 

In contrast, even "allies" of Russia are in bad shape at best. Russia realllyyy  has always nothing to offer. 

 

US had a war with Vietnam 50 years ago, Vietnam has resisted China since dunno what century. With recent naval battles. 

 

So Vietnam's first threat was/is/will be China (same as fat kim really), and Russia was kinda the political, economic,  security guarantee since Vietnam war against China.

Now...

Russia is chinas bitch. (Political gone)

Its economy is wrecked. (Economic gone)

It's weapons are proving weak,  and can't even deliver any paid for. (Security gone)

 

If im Vietnam,  the game is now US (EU by extension) on security and China on economics ... kinda like singapore ... and the day Vietnam buys a F16 or rafale,  grippen etc could be near. 

https://fulcrum.sg/will-vietnam-turn-to-russia-or-america-for-its-new-jet-fighter/

 

 

[Ender]

On 6/24/2024 at 5:16 PM, Playtime said:

Read it this way. There's no forever enemies.

Japan, Germany are former enemies of US in WW2, under US umbrella they are arguably the envy of any country in the world now.

Even iraq retains independence. 

In contrast, even "allies" of Russia are in bad shape at best. Russia realllyyy  has always nothing to offer. 

 

US had a war with Vietnam 50 years ago, Vietnam has resisted China since dunno what century. With recent naval battles. 

 

So Vietnam's first threat was/is/will be China (same as fat kim really), and Russia was kinda the political, economic,  security guarantee since Vietnam war against China.

Now...

Russia is chinas bitch. (Political gone)

Its economy is wrecked. (Economic gone)

It's weapons are proving weak,  and can't even deliver any paid for. (Security gone)

 

If im Vietnam,  the game is now US (EU by extension) on security and China on economics ... kinda like singapore ... and the day Vietnam buys a F16 or rafale,  grippen etc could be near. 

https://fulcrum.sg/will-vietnam-turn-to-russia-or-america-for-its-new-jet-fighter/

 

 

Seems like Putin's Asia Tour is not really successful in building new partnership. Compare to Zelensky, Zelensky had travelled to many countries and prominent international events several times and every time he finished a tour, he get aids, partnership in security guarantee, partnership in weapon productions in Ukraine, some misc economic trade deals. All these to the ire of Pro Russian who called him beggar.  If ever Singapore get invaded, I do hope our president is up to task to seek aids and getting partnership, won't fumble when speaking or pleading to world leaders. No shame is being called a beggar in such dire situation.

[Ender]

On 6/24/2024 at 3:00 PM, Ct3833 said:

Maybe there are told will be given army training, once completed, they will be given a  free riffle each to fight Isreal

Before they can fight Israel, Putin will give them hands on experience in Ukraine first, for a complete training.

[Kb27]

russia space comm in Crimea is hit by ATACMS. they are not very happy.

https://x.com/wartranslated/status/1805158869426901260

[Ct3833]

Likely caused by someone throwing cigarette butts...

Russian research institute building catches fire near Moscow

https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-807512

[Ender]

This is just one section of the Eastern front that Russian made advances. From other war mapper, past two days, Russian has made many significant advances in many areas with some major Ukrainian strong hold fallen. I am leaning towards one of the internet theory that the new front at Kharkiv /Russai border offensive might be a tactic to get Ukraine to put their reserve over there thereby weakening the Eastern front. The Fab bombers are heavy at the East.

How do Ukraine free themselves from the Kharkiv frontline?