Putin starts “military operation” on Ukraine

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Statement from  the 3rd Assault Brigade that were send to help in the evacuation. They are proven elite Ukrainian force.

 

 

[Kb27]

Avdiivka is temporary lost. Don't sweat too much over it.

In the meantime, 3 SU's are downed.

 

[Kb27]

 

[Playtime]

On 2/17/2024 at 10:04 PM, Ender said:

When Russia assaulted Avdiivka somewhere in Oct, there's hardly any frontline changes, and we hear massive loss for Russia side. The frontline only starts change significantly only recently when Ukraine complained they are low on arty ammo and the sudden lack of funding from America. They are compensating the lack of arty ammo with more drones, and that was not enough. The change in commander chief I think was the last straw, the Russia took advantage of the low morale and disorganization of the new command structure and infighting (there are battalions loyal to Zaluzhyni, and Skysry needed to fix that)

 

I hope they regroup and re strategize. The current strategy is not working. Also they should stop announcing future plan for counteroffensive. I know their sponsors needed to hear the solid plan before they give the money, but can do it secretly.

I wouldn't lay it all on the US. Biden is already having a very hard fight with the GOP nuts.

It is an European land war and should have been European lead right from day one. It's a failure of the EU more than anything else. 

The whole bloody EU should have the ammo manufacturing capacity to literally flood Ukraine with shells. Unless they intend to wait till the Russian army is on their borders... then hold hands sing peace songs. 🙄

Every woke fella there likes to blame the US... but when shit hits the fan, they always expect the US to lead them out. 

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On 2/18/2024 at 9:43 AM, Playtime said:

I wouldn't lay it all on the US. Biden is already having a very hard fight with the GOP nuts.

It is an European land war and should have been European lead right from day one. It's a failure of the EU more than anything else. 

The whole bloody EU should have the ammo manufacturing capacity to literally flood Ukraine with shells. Unless they intend to wait till the Russian army is on their borders... then hold hands sing peace songs. 🙄

Every woke fella there likes to blame the US... but when shit hits the fan, they always expect the US to lead them out. 

It's more of the commitment to see things thru and not halfway stop at the time when Ukraine needed them most. The Biden administration promised that.

Czech prez said he found a way to get more arty ammo for Ukraine. And is working with partners for sponsors to deliver them to Ukraine.

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On 2/18/2024 at 12:38 PM, Ender said:

It's more of the commitment to see things thru and not halfway stop at the time when Ukraine needed them most. The Biden administration promised that.

Czech prez said he found a way to get more arty ammo for Ukraine. And is working with partners for sponsors to deliver them to Ukraine.

Cannot blame Biden imo, even many in the gop also kenna screwed by their loony colleague deliberately holding up the aid bill. 

 

Suddenly find close to a million shells... that to me begs the question how ? No fault of the czech folks specifically, but Europe collectively should have done better. 

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/02/17/7442341/

[Playtime]

Hope its true

 

 

[Ender]

On 2/18/2024 at 5:59 PM, Playtime said:

Hope its true

 

 

Better late than never. 

[Sosaria]

On 2/18/2024 at 9:43 AM, Playtime said:

I wouldn't lay it all on the US. Biden is already having a very hard fight with the GOP nuts.

It is an European land war and should have been European lead right from day one. It's a failure of the EU more than anything else. 

The whole bloody EU should have the ammo manufacturing capacity to literally flood Ukraine with shells. Unless they intend to wait till the Russian army is on their borders... then hold hands sing peace songs. 🙄

Every woke fella there likes to blame the US... but when shit hits the fan, they always expect the US to lead them out. 

Europe is the one that has to contend with a belligerent russia right next to their borders. But I guess in some EU nations, the citizens just don't prioritise spending on a faraway war vs their other needs, like education budget, healthcare budget plus financing the costs of the huge numbers of migrants landing on their shores.

EU countries are slowly bankrupting themselves with their woke policies. That's why right-wing parties are on the rise. The population is fed up.

[Playtime]

On 2/18/2024 at 7:47 PM, Sosaria said:

Europe is the one that has to contend with a belligerent russia right next to their borders. But I guess in some EU nations, the citizens just don't prioritise spending on a faraway war vs their other needs, like education budget, healthcare budget plus financing the costs of the huge numbers of migrants landing on their shores.

EU countries are slowly bankrupting themselves with their woke policies. That's why right-wing parties are on the rise. The population is fed up.

If they bothered counting... and im pretty sure the responsible politicians and think tanks have... a fallen Ukraine will easily cause 10-15 million refugees for sure. 

Even at a conservative $10k each in first year only,  10k x 10 million = $100Billion annually for many years🤯

Not counting a return to cold war levels military spending. 

Additional massive welfare. 

Internal security. 

Housing collapse. 

Its crazy that I haven't seen serious coverage in their discussion of what a Ukrainian defeat means to each and every European. 

[Kb27]

A fallen Ukraine means suddenly you have russia as a neighbour for a few more EU countries.

putin has now tasted blood, and he'll want more.

you're next.

[Ender]

On 2/18/2024 at 10:42 PM, Kb27 said:

A fallen Ukraine means suddenly you have russia as a neighbour for a few more EU countries.

putin has now tasted blood, and he'll want more.

you're next.

I think that's on the mind of many EU leaders.  Netherlands suddenly wanting to give all their arty ammos,.Czech prez, sudenly found out his has 800K arty shells that can be transferred for Ukraine. A little late to establish comfort zone. Avdiivka used to be the front line between Ukraine controlled and the so called unofficial Donetsk People Republic (russia supported). therefore it's one of Ukraine strong hold. So this is a very critical situation of losing Avdiivka. The Russia has push thru and occupy what Ukraine had been holding on for 10 year against DPR (Russia puppet)(2014).

 

 

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On 2/18/2024 at 9:43 PM, Playtime said:

If they bothered counting... and im pretty sure the responsible politicians and think tanks have... a fallen Ukraine will easily cause 10-15 million refugees for sure. 

Even at a conservative $10k each in first year only,  10k x 10 million = $100Billion annually for many years🤯

Not counting a return to cold war levels military spending. 

Additional massive welfare. 

Internal security. 

Housing collapse. 

Its crazy that I haven't seen serious coverage in their discussion of what a Ukrainian defeat means to each and every European. 

At least these new refugees are not culturer enrichers.

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On 2/18/2024 at 3:49 PM, Playtime said:

Cannot blame Biden imo, even many in the gop also kenna screwed by their loony colleague deliberately holding up the aid bill. 

 

Suddenly find close to a million shells... that to me begs the question how ? No fault of the czech folks specifically, but Europe collectively should have done better. 

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/02/17/7442341/

It's a lesson learnt for Ukraine. They just have to be careful with how much military aid they were given. Not to expense all in one offensive as if the there will be continuing flow of ammo. Even if they were given a commitment. Also, the Russia just can take alot of losses.

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At Zaporizhzhia at the south, where Robotyne frontline is, Russia is intensifying their offensive. They are not waiting for Ukraine to receive their arty shell from Netherland and Czech.  That the disadvantage of announcing weapons that is to given to Ukraine.

 

 

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Russians are using thermal cloak.

 

 

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A plea from a American Volunteer to the Congress. Their obstruction to financial aid has left a huge impact on Avdeevka. I

 

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The rusian pilot who defected with a chopter.