New Zealand bans smoking

[Datsun366]

After they take away self harm behaviour justifiably, they will tell you how to vote and how to eat  no more freedom to indulge in fatty food.

Good intentions start the way to hell, forgetting that humans are not a to b linear rational.

Andy lau oso likes to talk about money to use greed to get power...in dialect...

 

Specially for babyblade and tiko rangers.

[Kb27]

4 major dutiable goods will never be banned in Sg, no matter how harmful it is.

Brings in big money.

There are 4 categories of dutiable goods:

1. Intoxicating liquors
2. Tobacco products
3. Motor vehicles
4. Petroleum products and biodiesel blends

https://www.customs.gov.sg/businesses/valuation-duties-taxes-and-fees/duties-and-dutiable-goods

[Hamburger]

43 minutes ago, Fitvip said:

You may not be aware that the yellow the lines will effectively block off the cigarette smoke!

Yes, the yellow line is super effective in what it is designed for. To draw away ciggie fumes away from others eating at their table. 

Just like road hogger that insist  they are not road hogging at 90km/h. 

[Spurman]

6 hours ago, Karoon said:

I fully support this.

Here the approach is to make the tax as high as possible. A pack costs about $15. 

The sad part is this is an addiction, and i hate the idea of making it available everywhere and taxing the addicts. We can say they should have stronger willpower etc etc but come on... 

 

Chewing gum profits little.

 

Its bout the money. Show me the money.

[Spurman]

23 minutes ago, Spurman said:

Chewing gum profits little.

 

Its bout the money. Show me the money.

And still need to pay to clear off stains. Chewing gums stains. Marks. The gum itself.

Cig diff. Its money. All bout the money. And its still cheaper than some western countries and aust

[1fast1]

1 hour ago, Kb27 said:

4 major dutiable goods will never be banned in Sg, no matter how harmful it is.

Brings in big money.

There are 4 categories of dutiable goods:

1. Intoxicating liquors
2. Tobacco products
3. Motor vehicles
4. Petroleum products and biodiesel blends

https://www.customs.gov.sg/businesses/valuation-duties-taxes-and-fees/duties-and-dutiable-goods

But of those, I'll only support an outright ban on tobacco. 

All the rest are useful in some way. Even liquors - without that, some people will never get to have non-commercial sex. Won't somebody please think of the children birth rate! 😁

 

Edited December 10, 2021 by Turboflat4

[Datsun366]

😁

 

[Twister]

4 hours ago, Jamesc said:

I thought that one is condoms?

I never used them to save the sewage system.

But you always tell us your Broken Condom stories and then your beloved MIL... 

[D3badge]

9 hours ago, Turboflat4 said:

That country's PM has balls. Not literal ones but far more than our supposed strong LEEdership. 

This one hipe, modern and chio 😁👍🏻

https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/night-fever-finnish-pm-caught-clubbing-after-covid-19-exposure

Edited December 10, 2021 by D3badge

[Jamesc]

36 minutes ago, Twister said:

But you always tell us your Broken Condom stories and then your beloved MIL... 

I never use now because those useless things keep breaking.

[Jamesc]

41 minutes ago, Twister said:

But you always tell us your Broken Condom stories and then your beloved MIL... 

I use the rhythm method now.

[Wildfaye29]

11 hours ago, Turboflat4 said:

That country's PM has balls. Not literal ones but far more than our supposed strong LEEdership. 

got chi

neh chi

[1fast1]

6 hours ago, happy_man said:

You have mistaken....if NZ's PM has "balls", she would have past laws that will hang drug traffickers.

And it is precisely of Lee's strong stance against that had set the standard that no Western politicians nor gov dare to implement, let along propose.

Perhaps you missed my other contribution to MCF showing REAL WORLD examples of how WEAK leadership lead to dire consequence to average pple in the street.

 

 

 

 

You are on my ignore list. So, "happy_man", I'm happy to say I've missed many of what you seem happy to call your "contributions".

But I'm glad I opened this up out of curiosity so I can tell you: please stop making nonsensical assertions.

The death penalty has no place in truly civilised countries. This is an opinion shared by many people. I don't count the US as a civilised country, by the way. 

There is no evidence that death penalty has reduced the drug trade. But there is evidence that our law enforcement has used it to entrap people into the death penalty. Read "Once a Jolly Hangman" to get educated.

And finally, which Lee? Even if you take "death for drugs" as a sign of strength, it was Lao Lee that did all that. Under the young Lee, that standard has been gradually eroded, with fewer drug traffickers being put to death, and the lifting of the mandatory death sentence for some drug offences. If you think this is strength, you have a rather curious definition of it. 

And why bring the US and drugs into it, when we're talking about NZ and tobacco? 

Actually, I started this post out trying to be as non-confrontational as I could be, but I think I'll end it the way I really wanted to begin: "Please don't talk rubbish."

Edited December 10, 2021 by Turboflat4

[Voodooman]

Concept to weed out smoking is good but I will be interested to know how it is going to be enforced?  

The oldies can become traders.

 

[Beregond]

39 minutes ago, Voodooman said:

Concept to weed out smoking is good but I will be interested to know how it is going to be enforced?  

The oldies can become traders.

 

Ya. as usual. we can have all the good ideal and law and rules, but enforcement is alway a problem.

But the way i see it. we must do thing step by step. The approach and principle must be right and just in setting those laws.

We must have those correct law in place first then we talk about enforcing ,how to enforce, or how to improve the enforcement. 

If we feel any law is hard to enforce , and we decided not to implement it, We forever not going to get things done or improve.

(Its abit out, but its the same as law n rules for cyclist)

[Sosaria]

8 minutes ago, Beregond said:

Ya. as usual. we can have all the good ideal and law and rules, but enforcement is alway a problem.

But the way i see it. we must do thing step by step. The approach and principle must be right and just in setting those laws.

We must have those correct law in place first then we talk about enforcing ,how to enforce, or how to improve the enforcement. 

If we feel any law is hard to enforce , and we decided not to implement it, We forever not going to get things done or improve.

(Its abit out, but its the same as law n rules for cyclist)

Which is if and when ardern is voted out, next PM that take over can just overturn the ban. In fact, maybe can even campaign on the promise of restoring people's right to buy and smoke ciggies

The few kiwis that i know....... i get the feeling that they see themselves as strongly independent, self-reliant people, no doubt from the isolated nature of their environment, so I think any kind of "nannying" approach like telling or forcing smokers to quit, will definitely not work.

[Throttle2]

Better to ban alcohol

definitely causes more social and health problems. 

lets ban alcohol, yeah! 

[Throttle2]

Yeah ban cigarettes 😁