Formula 1 2021 Season

[Spidey10]

  On 7/19/2021 at 6:16 AM, Wt_know said:

it's F1 racing ... that's what happen 

have you seen how Max drive? his nickname of Mad Max is not for nothing hor .... he can push car out of the track and undercut dangerously too

isn't Max the one "invented" late braking or maneuver with 2-moves (you can only make 1-move to defend your position)?   ... max is a talented driver  

racer is racer ... they got the aggressive and reckless in their blood ... else they are not at the top ...

look at how Schumi, Alonso, Vettel - how they drive when they got a good car to jiet others ...  

and there are 1 time champion driver like Jenson and Nico ... are they "great" F1 drivers?  

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and kimi, during his younger days...….though he's useless in the wet!!

[Kar_lover]

  On 7/19/2021 at 8:19 AM, Spidey10 said:

simpler ler, if the situation is reverse and LH is the one that ends up in the wall...you think MV will say I am at fault...is a 50-50 chance and with their competitive attitude, is all the probability that they need to take it....

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Oh of course I expect LH to say it's not his fault. That LH was hit with a penalty is decisive who is at fault. The problem is LH profited from his act cos the penalty was not heavy enough. One should never be allowed to prosper from one's misdeeds. In football if you are the last defender and foul the opposing player who is in a goal scoring position u get a red card. If the foul was a normal foul u just get a warning or maybe yellow card. Stewards should be allowed to take into consideration the impact of the act when handing out penalties.

Luckily this is just one race and not the World Cup final being won by a hand of God. There are many races to come and the deserving winner will prevail in the end.

 

[Blueray]

Red Bull lodge request for FIA to review Hamilton penalty following Silverstone clash with Verstappen

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.red-bull-lodge-request-for-fia-to-review-hamilton-penalty-following.1BND9fIw9rWN5GynnHVVo4.html

my $0.02, LH 80% at fault, MV 20%.

[Kar_lover]

 

Seems like they have reverted back to P1, P2, P3, Quali and Main Race for this weekend? So fast abandoned sprint race already?

[inlinesix]

@Kar_lover Sprint race will be experimented in a few races this year 

[Kar_lover]

  On 7/28/2021 at 5:01 AM, Blueray said:

Red Bull lodge request for FIA to review Hamilton penalty following Silverstone clash with Verstappen

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.red-bull-lodge-request-for-fia-to-review-hamilton-penalty-following.1BND9fIw9rWN5GynnHVVo4.html

my $0.02, LH 80% at fault, MV 20%.

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I don't think this will be fruitful. I will be amazed if the FIA does anything more. It will set a dangerous precedent for all future such incidents. What they need to do is to rewrite the rule book to factor in the implications into the penalties, just like in football where if u are the last defender that fouls an attacker with goal scoring chance u get red carded and if not then is normal foul. Although granted, will be much harder to write such rules for F1. So the penalty for LH should have been heavier, like 1 minute stop and go lol.  

Actually if i were CH, i would tell Max that from the sprint race it seemed that he was a bit faster than LH so in such a situation in future, he should err on the side of caution and let LH through if push came to shove. He should be able to subsequently take back the place later on in a less risky situation or via undercut. And worse come to worse even 2nd place would be much better than 0 points. I know for a racer it is very difficult to let someone, let alone a bitter rival, through but must focus on the end outcome.  

 

[Kar_lover]

  On 7/29/2021 at 12:25 AM, inlinesix said:

@Kar_lover Sprint race will be experimented in a few races this year 

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It seemed like most people enjoyed the sprint race but whilst i have no issue with the race itself, i felt it actually gave the audience (and teams) a "sneak preview" of the main race. That could be why LH was even more aggressive in the main race that led to the accident. Already overtaken by Max who started from 2nd place during the sprint, he knew if he didn't overtake him in the beginning of the main race where Max started from 1st place, he would have no chance to win short of Max having some accident or malfunction. Aside from that, it also made P3 feel kinda lame....so i prefer the existing format.

[Spidey10]

  On 7/29/2021 at 12:38 AM, Kar_lover said:

It seemed like most people enjoyed the sprint race but whilst i have no issue with the race itself, i felt it actually gave the audience (and teams) a "sneak preview" of the main race. That could be why LH was even more aggressive in the main race that led to the accident. Already overtaken by Max who started from 2nd place during the sprint, he knew if he didn't overtake him in the beginning of the main race where Max started from 1st place, he would have no chance to win short of Max having some accident or malfunction. Aside from that, it also made P3 feel kinda lame....so i prefer the existing format.

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fine by me....sprint or 3 stage quali...

as long as there is a battle between Max and LH.....as Mark Webber says, bring it on.....it's been a while since a challenger appear to challenge LH.

Going to watch F1 again....yeah!!

 

[Kar_lover]

  On 7/29/2021 at 12:54 AM, Spidey10 said:

fine by me....sprint or 3 stage quali...

as long as there is a battle between Max and LH.....as Mark Webber says, bring it on.....it's been a while since a challenger appear to challenge LH.

Going to watch F1 again....yeah!!

 

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There is still a 3 stage quali - but it is for the sprint race lol....

Ya, i also looking forward to MV vs LH v2.0 😈

[Mooose]

  On 7/29/2021 at 12:34 AM, Kar_lover said:

I don't think this will be fruitful. I will be amazed if the FIA does anything more. It will set a dangerous precedent for all future such incidents. What they need to do is to rewrite the rule book to factor in the implications into the penalties, just like in football where if u are the last defender that fouls an attacker with goal scoring chance u get red carded and if not then is normal foul. Although granted, will be much harder to write such rules for F1. So the penalty for LH should have been heavier, like 1 minute stop and go lol.  

Actually if i were CH, i would tell Max that from the sprint race it seemed that he was a bit faster than LH so in such a situation in future, he should err on the side of caution and let LH through if push came to shove. He should be able to subsequently take back the place later on in a less risky situation or via undercut. And worse come to worse even 2nd place would be much better than 0 points. I know for a racer it is very difficult to let someone, let alone a bitter rival, through but must focus on the end outcome.  

 

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https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/58014629

 

Lewis Hamilton-Max Verstappen collision: Red Bull's penalty request rejected

 

By Andrew BensonChief F1 writer

Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen came together at the British Grand Prix

Red Bull's request for a reassessment of the penalty given to Lewis Hamilton at the British Grand Prix has been rejected by Formula 1 officials.

The Mercedes driver was judged "predominantly to blame" for a first-lap collision with title rival Max Verstappen's Red Bull.

Hamilton received a 10-second penalty.

Stewards in place for this weekend's Hungarian Grand Prix ruled there was no significant additional evidence to take into account.

Verstappen, 23, crashed out of the race, while Hamilton recovered to take a dramatic victory.

The decision leaves Verstappen with an eight-point lead over Hamilton, 36, in the championship heading into this weekend's Hungarian Grand Prix, the last before a three-week summer break for F1.

Mercedes "welcomed" the decision but called the appeal and the documents submitted "a concerted attempt by the senior management of Red Bull Racing to tarnish the good name and sporting integrity of Lewis Hamilton."

Hamilton penalty harsh, say Mercedes

Hungarian Grand Prix coverage on the BBC

What did Red Bull argue?

Red Bull presented a series of pieces of information they regarded as new evidence to the hearing, including the GPS data from the cars showing their positioning.

They also presented similar data, car speeds and simulation information of Hamilton and Ferrari's Charles Leclerc in the manoeuvre in which the Mercedes driver passed for the lead with two laps to go.

Red Bull used the Leclerc pass to argue Hamilton would have made contact in that move too - if he had been on the same line at the same speed as he was in the Verstappen incident. And they claimed Hamilton needed to brake 23m earlier than he actually did to make the corner.

Their aim was to establish ground rules following the collision for the rest of the season, as the title battle between the two men reaches a climax.

Red Bull also wanted to understand how the decision was made after such a major accident.

Verstappen suffered an impact of 51G when he hit the barriers at the 190mph Copse corner and was taken to hospital for tests. He was released later that evening uninjured, apart from bruising and aches and pains.

Why was the case rejected?

To reassess the case, the stewards would have had to deem the evidence to be "new, significant and relevant"; that it had been "discovered" rather than created, and been unavailable at the time of the decision.

They ruled that there was no element unavailable to the parties seeking the review at the time.

And they said the GPS data submissions were "created based on evidence that was available at the time of the decision".

The stewards said they "noted with some concern certain allegations" raised by Red Bull. They refused to comment further, and Mercedes also declined to address what Hamilton had been accused of by Red Bull.

Hamilton's view

Both drivers held their news conferences on Thursday - before the hearing was held - and were asked further questions about the incident by the media.

Hamilton said he had called Verstappen in the days following the crash.

"I did give Max a call to check he was OK," Hamilton said. "And to let him know the respect is still there. Obviously it's perhaps not reciprocated, but that's OK."

And he said he had no regrets about the move.

"I would do it exactly the way I did it last," Hamilton said. "In terms of how I have reviewed it or analysed, from all my experience. And my experience over the years speaks for a lot. I wouldn't change it."

Hamilton rejected accusations made by Verstappen both on the evening of the incident and again on Thursday that he and the Mercedes team had been disrespectful in celebrating their victory while the Dutchman was still being checked over in hospital.

"I don't believe our behaviour was disrespectful," Hamilton said, "but it is one thing knowing and then celebrating what happened and one thing not knowing and celebrating. And I wasn't aware [he was in hospital].

"Emotions were running high. It wasn't an intentional celebration. It was just the joy of seeing so many people together and celebrating. It was the natural emotion. I am not going to hide my emotion."

Verstappen's view

Verstappen said: "One guy is in the hospital and the other is waving a flag around like nothing has happened after he pushed a guy into a wall with 51Gs. Not only that but the whole reaction of the team besides that.

"That's not how you celebrate a win, especially how they got it. It shows how they really are. It comes out after a pressured situation. But I wouldn't want to be seen like that."

Verstappen said he believed Hamilton had "just misjudged the moment in that corner" and added that he would not change his approach to racing Hamilton following the incident.

"Of course people easily say I am an aggressive driver or whatever, which I don't think I am.

"I am a hard driver, I race hard but I think I know quite well how I have to position my car."

Verstappen repeated that he still believes the penalty should have been more tougher, but added: "We are racers and we just keep on going.

"Of course, I am not happy with what happened there. But just keep on pushing. We are still fighting for that championship together. I will race in the best manner."

 

[Kar_lover]

  On 7/30/2021 at 2:24 AM, Mooose said:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/58014629

 

Lewis Hamilton-Max Verstappen collision: Red Bull's penalty request rejected

 

By Andrew BensonChief F1 writer

Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen came together at the British Grand Prix

Red Bull's request for a reassessment of the penalty given to Lewis Hamilton at the British Grand Prix has been rejected by Formula 1 officials.

The Mercedes driver was judged "predominantly to blame" for a first-lap collision with title rival Max Verstappen's Red Bull.

Hamilton received a 10-second penalty.

Stewards in place for this weekend's Hungarian Grand Prix ruled there was no significant additional evidence to take into account.

Verstappen, 23, crashed out of the race, while Hamilton recovered to take a dramatic victory.

The decision leaves Verstappen with an eight-point lead over Hamilton, 36, in the championship heading into this weekend's Hungarian Grand Prix, the last before a three-week summer break for F1.

Mercedes "welcomed" the decision but called the appeal and the documents submitted "a concerted attempt by the senior management of Red Bull Racing to tarnish the good name and sporting integrity of Lewis Hamilton."

Hamilton penalty harsh, say Mercedes

Hungarian Grand Prix coverage on the BBC

What did Red Bull argue?

Red Bull presented a series of pieces of information they regarded as new evidence to the hearing, including the GPS data from the cars showing their positioning.

They also presented similar data, car speeds and simulation information of Hamilton and Ferrari's Charles Leclerc in the manoeuvre in which the Mercedes driver passed for the lead with two laps to go.

Red Bull used the Leclerc pass to argue Hamilton would have made contact in that move too - if he had been on the same line at the same speed as he was in the Verstappen incident. And they claimed Hamilton needed to brake 23m earlier than he actually did to make the corner.

Their aim was to establish ground rules following the collision for the rest of the season, as the title battle between the two men reaches a climax.

Red Bull also wanted to understand how the decision was made after such a major accident.

Verstappen suffered an impact of 51G when he hit the barriers at the 190mph Copse corner and was taken to hospital for tests. He was released later that evening uninjured, apart from bruising and aches and pains.

Why was the case rejected?

To reassess the case, the stewards would have had to deem the evidence to be "new, significant and relevant"; that it had been "discovered" rather than created, and been unavailable at the time of the decision.

They ruled that there was no element unavailable to the parties seeking the review at the time.

And they said the GPS data submissions were "created based on evidence that was available at the time of the decision".

The stewards said they "noted with some concern certain allegations" raised by Red Bull. They refused to comment further, and Mercedes also declined to address what Hamilton had been accused of by Red Bull.

Hamilton's view

Both drivers held their news conferences on Thursday - before the hearing was held - and were asked further questions about the incident by the media.

Hamilton said he had called Verstappen in the days following the crash.

"I did give Max a call to check he was OK," Hamilton said. "And to let him know the respect is still there. Obviously it's perhaps not reciprocated, but that's OK."

And he said he had no regrets about the move.

"I would do it exactly the way I did it last," Hamilton said. "In terms of how I have reviewed it or analysed, from all my experience. And my experience over the years speaks for a lot. I wouldn't change it."

Hamilton rejected accusations made by Verstappen both on the evening of the incident and again on Thursday that he and the Mercedes team had been disrespectful in celebrating their victory while the Dutchman was still being checked over in hospital.

"I don't believe our behaviour was disrespectful," Hamilton said, "but it is one thing knowing and then celebrating what happened and one thing not knowing and celebrating. And I wasn't aware [he was in hospital].

"Emotions were running high. It wasn't an intentional celebration. It was just the joy of seeing so many people together and celebrating. It was the natural emotion. I am not going to hide my emotion."

Verstappen's view

Verstappen said: "One guy is in the hospital and the other is waving a flag around like nothing has happened after he pushed a guy into a wall with 51Gs. Not only that but the whole reaction of the team besides that.

"That's not how you celebrate a win, especially how they got it. It shows how they really are. It comes out after a pressured situation. But I wouldn't want to be seen like that."

Verstappen said he believed Hamilton had "just misjudged the moment in that corner" and added that he would not change his approach to racing Hamilton following the incident.

"Of course people easily say I am an aggressive driver or whatever, which I don't think I am.

"I am a hard driver, I race hard but I think I know quite well how I have to position my car."

Verstappen repeated that he still believes the penalty should have been more tougher, but added: "We are racers and we just keep on going.

"Of course, I am not happy with what happened there. But just keep on pushing. We are still fighting for that championship together. I will race in the best manner."

 

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Yeah, there is nothing FIA can do. Their hands are tied by their own rules. I don't care about all the "disrespect" and whatever other crap, there is no obligation to be nice to your chief rival. My only gripe is that LH was allowed to prosper from the accident of which he was held liable due to too lenient a penalty. But there was another article that too heavy a penalty might have the opposite effect of killing the race as everyone will be too cautious for fear of making a mistake/causing an accident and end up with a heavy penalty, which is true as well. A balance will need to be found. 

 

 

[Blueray]

first time I see a race start with only 1 car when 5 red lights go out. 

[flat6]

  On 8/1/2021 at 1:39 PM, Blueray said:

first time I see a race start with only 1 car when 5 red lights go out. 

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massive cock up.

1st becomes last!

always admired Hamilton for his driving skills but never liked him, must win at all cost, including sacrificing his team mate.

Edited August 1, 2021 by flat6

[Kar_lover]

This is what I hate about lewis. Complain complain complain. Blame the pit for the mistake. He already sounded like he wanted to give when he realised he was last. What an AH. Unworthy.

[Blueray]

Vettel loses second-place finish in Hungary after disqualification for fuel sample issue

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Under the technical regulations, competitors must ensure that a 1.0 litre sample of fuel may be taken from the car at any time during the event – however it was only possible to take 0.3 litres from Vettel’s Aston Martin after Sunday’s race.

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https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-vettel-loses-second-place-finish-in-hungary-after-disqualification.1hHxDLG0ARyAw6q2TCDkiS.html

[Spidey10]

  On 8/1/2021 at 1:59 PM, Kar_lover said:

This is what I hate about lewis. Complain complain complain. Blame the pit for the mistake. He already sounded like he wanted to give when he realised he was last. What an AH. Unworthy.

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that's why I am back watching...all the drama!! wooohooo love it! one of the best race so far this year.....actually the last 2 races were magnificent!! 

1st become last and then hunting down everyone...honestly not a fan of LH but have to admit he us really fast and skillful...

if we don't have this, it will really be boring, he will run away with the lead and win hands on the steering.... 

[Kar_lover]

  On 8/2/2021 at 1:22 AM, Spidey10 said:

that's why I am back watching...all the drama!! wooohooo love it! one of the best race so far this year.....actually the last 2 races were magnificent!! 

1st become last and then hunting down everyone...honestly not a fan of LH but have to admit he us really fast and skillful...

if we don't have this, it will really be boring, he will run away with the lead and win hands on the steering.... 

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Ya it was pretty dramatic but i just cannot stand his whining immediately after he realised he was last. Bono had to come and tell him he can still win. Like a parent having to pacify a baby that he will get his toys back.... well if Mercedes keeps taking out RB soon it will be boring again. They should give Bottas a new contract, this time he created an accident that killed off both RBs! 💪

[Kar_lover]

  On 8/2/2021 at 1:11 AM, Blueray said:

Vettel loses second-place finish in Hungary after disqualification for fuel sample issue

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-vettel-loses-second-place-finish-in-hungary-after-disqualification.1hHxDLG0ARyAw6q2TCDkiS.html

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Conspiracy theorists will say they just want to give Hamster 2nd lol.....