Formula 1 2021 Season

[enzoalec92]

  On 10/11/2021 at 6:02 AM, bsswan said:

Watching the SkyF1 "experts" in the pre and post-show really does bring the story together and helps understand decisions and reasons for what's going on. It would be missing a lot without these explanations I think, and I experienced that before when, on holiday, have to watch a race in German, or Chinese or something.

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@Kar_lover and @bsswan If you're into race analyses, tech breakdowns and insider discussions, you should definitely check out The Race, a YouTube channel which provides everything Paula, Alex and Matthew used to do with Fox, and so much more. I'd even say their coverage of such information is unrivalled by anyone else - including Autosport - partly because the great Edd Straw himself jumped over to The Race from there. Best of all, you can watch their videos at your own time without having to tune in an hour before or stick around half an hour after the race itself.

You're welcome. 😉

[Kar_lover]

  On 10/26/2021 at 2:30 AM, enzoalec92 said:

I know this is rather late in the timeline, considering the race at COTA already concluded 2 nights ago - great nailbiting defence to the finish by Verstappen against Hamilton BTW.

In any case, this should make for an interesting read: 

Scroll down to the reply by @dvnnse, which links to this Twitter thread that gives more context and actually makes a lot of sense when you look at what's been happening this season.

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Actually i was bit "disappointed" in the end as hammy never really got into a position that he was actually challenging max like wheel to wheel. I don't think he got within 2 or even 3 car lengths of max at any time. 

[Kar_lover]

  On 10/26/2021 at 3:01 AM, enzoalec92 said:

@Kar_lover and @bsswan If you're into race analyses, tech breakdowns and insider discussions, you should definitely check out The Race, a YouTube channel which provides everything Paula, Alex and Matthew used to do with Fox, and so much more. I'd even say their coverage of such information is unrivalled by anyone else - including Autosport - partly because the great Edd Straw himself jumped over to The Race from there. Best of all, you can watch their videos at your own time without having to tune in an hour before or stick around half an hour after the race itself.

You're welcome. 😉

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Sure thanks, though i like the "talk" show as a build up to the actual race to get the latest updates. For example if something happens in the last hour or so just before the race, without the pre-show, we wouldn't know about it and we might be scratching our heads a bit. I never watched the post-show, only the pre-show.

[bsswan]

  On 10/26/2021 at 3:01 AM, enzoalec92 said:

@Kar_lover and @bsswan If you're into race analyses, tech breakdowns and insider discussions, you should definitely check out The Race, a YouTube channel which provides everything Paula, Alex and Matthew used to do with Fox, and so much more. I'd even say their coverage of such information is unrivalled by anyone else - including Autosport - partly because the great Edd Straw himself jumped over to The Race from there. Best of all, you can watch their videos at your own time without having to tune in an hour before or stick around half an hour after the race itself.

You're welcome. 😉

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I am a subscriber already, they share a few guys with the official F1 YouTube Channel.

[enzoalec92]

  On 10/26/2021 at 3:12 AM, Kar_lover said:

Actually i was bit "disappointed" in the end as hammy never really got into a position that he was actually challenging max like wheel to wheel. I don't think he got within 2 or even 3 car lengths of max at any time. 

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I get what you mean, but I despise Hamilton, so personally it was great seeing him not getting within DRS distance of Verstappen haha. If he did would've certainly meant an easy pass since the Merc was clearly outpacing the Red Bull by at least 0.3s/lap.

  On 10/26/2021 at 3:14 AM, Kar_lover said:

Sure thanks, though i like the "talk" show as a build up to the actual race to get the latest updates. For example if something happens in the last hour or so just before the race, without the pre-show, we wouldn't know about it and we might be scratching our heads a bit. I never watched the post-show, only the pre-show.

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Yeah, that's definitely something that can't be substituted.

  On 10/26/2021 at 5:33 AM, bsswan said:

I am a subscriber already, they share a few guys with the official F1 YouTube Channel.

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Good to know you share an appreciation for them; I've been following Scarbs and his fantastic technical insight on Twitter for many years too!

[bsswan]

  On 10/26/2021 at 3:14 AM, Kar_lover said:

Sure thanks, though i like the "talk" show as a build up to the actual race to get the latest updates. For example if something happens in the last hour or so just before the race, without the pre-show, we wouldn't know about it and we might be scratching our heads a bit. I never watched the post-show, only the pre-show.

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Actually, that might be a thing you consider...... watching the F1 YouTube channel for the live build-up just before the race. Alex Albon was the guest driver recently, I think in Turkey, for example.

They also have a live post-show if needed.

[Kar_lover]

  On 10/26/2021 at 5:48 AM, enzoalec92 said:

I get what you mean, but I despise Hamilton, so personally it was great seeing him not getting within DRS distance of Verstappen haha. If he did would've certainly meant an easy pass since the Merc was clearly outpacing the Red Bull by at least 0.3s/lap.

 

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Lol...so do I! I am not really a huge Max fan, I am mainly a as-long-as-not-not-Hamilton fan 😁 when he first changed tyres, he was gaining more than 1sec per lap on Max but towards the end, he was only able to gain around 0.4s per lap. This tells me that Max was just playing it cool initially to save his tyres until LH got near and that was when he upped his pace enough just to keep himself at a sufficient distance from LH.

One more thing, if i were Wolff, i would take Norris over Russell.

[Kar_lover]

  On 10/26/2021 at 5:51 AM, bsswan said:

Actually, that might be a thing you consider...... watching the F1 YouTube channel for the live build-up just before the race. Alex Albon was the guest driver recently, I think in Turkey, for example.

They also have a live post-show if needed.

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Ok thanks, will take note.

[enzoalec92]

  On 10/26/2021 at 6:15 AM, Kar_lover said:

Lol...so do I! I am not really a huge Max fan, I am mainly a as-long-as-not-not-Hamilton fan 😁 when he first changed tyres, he was gaining more than 1sec per lap on Max but towards the end, he was only able to gain around 0.4s per lap. This tells me that Max was just playing it cool initially to save his tyres until LH got near and that was when he upped his pace enough just to keep himself at a sufficient distance from LH.

One more thing, if i were Wolff, i would take Norris over Russell.

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Yeah, I'm not a Verstappen fan either, and I adopt the same not-Hamilton mentality as you hahaha. I initially thought Verstappen was just preserving his tyres too, but his pace was so far off that even if that may be the case, he clearly had to work hard for it towards his tyres' late life cycle. No regrets waking up at 3am to catch the race though.

Norris' stubbornness to not listen to his engineer at Russia makes me think he's not ready to take the next step just yet, but Russell's outstanding qualifying pace also doesn't necessarily mean he'd be a championship contender. *commence Jarno Trulli flashbacks*

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[bsswan]

  On 10/26/2021 at 6:53 AM, enzoalec92 said:

Yeah, I'm not a Verstappen fan either, and I adopt the same not-Hamilton mentality as you hahaha. I initially thought Verstappen was just preserving his tyres too, but his pace was so far off that even if that may be the case, he clearly had to work hard for it towards his tyres' late life cycle. No regrets waking up at 3am to catch the race though.

Norris' stubbornness to not listen to his engineer at Russia makes me think he's not ready to take the next step just yet, but Russell's outstanding qualifying pace also doesn't necessarily mean he'd be a championship contender. *commence Jarno Trulli flashbacks*

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I'm putting faith in George going forward......his outing in Merc last year only confirmed what I was thinking beforehand, he can win for sure.

Norris will learn, hopefully quickly, but he's slightly hampered by his excellent performances in e-Sports and so I'm not sure he can compartmentalise properly, at least when it comes to making choices or listening to input. Dani's coming strong will either knock him back, or get him to sit, work harder and understand.

All that said, the 2022 car is pretty much a work of fiction right now and no idea if it turns things over, or not. In theory, HAAS should be right up there next year. A Ferrari power plant, a Schumacher in one seat and a car with huge amounts more development time given they've done absolutely nothing this year. 😏

[Tommisan]

@Kar_lover Lewis was in the turbulent air of Max after closing in, that will affect his performance, plus tyres degradation will also play a part even though his tyres are 8 laps younger. If every lap gains 1sec, we don't need to continue the season as the results will always be in Mercedes favour. It is a great achievement for Max to win the United States Grand Prix (COTA), Lewis has been very strong throughout but if you look at the final laps, Lewis was faster in Sector 1, but Max was faster in Sector 2 and Sector 2 are high speed corners, sharp corner and long straights. It shows that Max was running low downforce (he was also complaining his car was sliding around) and the top speed is not too far off the pace of Mercedes. Plus US Grand Prix always favours Mercedes, the ability to break the trend shows Redbull's strength.

Max even gave thanks to Mick Schumacher in the final few laps where Mick provided Max with DRS activation that gave him the extra boost to pull slightly away from Lewis.

All in all, an outstanding performance by Max and Honda powered Redbull team.

 

[enzoalec92]

  On 10/26/2021 at 7:32 AM, bsswan said:

I'm putting faith in George going forward......his outing in Merc last year only confirmed what I was thinking beforehand, he can win for sure.

Norris will learn, hopefully quickly, but he's slightly hampered by his excellent performances in e-Sports and so I'm not sure he can compartmentalise properly, at least when it comes to making choices or listening to input. Dani's coming strong will either knock him back, or get him to sit, work harder and understand.

All that said, the 2022 car is pretty much a work of fiction right now and no idea if it turns things over, or not. In theory, HAAS should be right up there next year. A Ferrari power plant, a Schumacher in one seat and a car with huge amounts more development time given they've done absolutely nothing this year. 😏

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Yeah he could've won at Abu Dhabi, if not for tyre troubles. I still think we need to see his long-term performance though, since that might've just been a fluke, as with Tsunoda's first outing at Monza this season. With what he can do on racedays, occasionally scoring points and all with a 💩 Williams, it's looking promising though.

Yeah, Norris is still young, so he can use his coming years to build experience. Just off his pace, he's highly capable, so he just needs to develop his mindset. I don't see Ricciardo ever becoming champion though, since he's been around for quite some time and hasn't pulled off any spectacular performances thus far; Monza this year seemed to be a one-off.

Yeah, Haas is definitely a wildcard, given what you've pointed out, so they could either be the biggest surprise or an utter soggy prata flop LMAO. I'm leaning more towards the latter, because their lack of budget's likely just going to hamper them. Inb4 they pull off a Brawn GP and I eat my words LMAO. 😝

[bsswan]

Haas has as (see what I did there?😁) good a history in US motorsports as any others so, with a budget cap, they should be able to get back up there.

Having said that, I still believe they'll be well last. 🤭

I do think George will push through, and make it tough for Lewis. He's also good at the e-Sports but I think has a better mental picture, at this moment, than Lando.

In the end, though, the new car specs will likely make all the difference instead so we need to wait. At least get Max a championship this year. I don't like him that much, same as I don't like Lewis that much, but it just feels the result for this year.

[enzoalec92]

  On 10/26/2021 at 9:54 AM, bsswan said:

Haas has as (see what I did there?😁) good a history in US motorsports as any others so, with a budget cap, they should be able to get back up there.

Having said that, I still believe they'll be well last. 🤭

I do think George will push through, and make it tough for Lewis. He's also good at the e-Sports but I think has a better mental picture, at this moment, than Lando.

In the end, though, the new car specs will likely make all the difference instead so we need to wait. At least get Max a championship this year. I don't like him that much, same as I don't like Lewis that much, but it just feels the result for this year.

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Problem is that the costs of F1 dwarfs any other motorsport series, even with the budget cap; Lord Hesketh from the movie Rush immediately comes to mind. I agree with you on your second statement though.

Russell has shown his maturity on several occasions this season, from his emotional state after scoring Williams' first points in years, to telling his team to sacrifice his race and prioritise Latifi's strategy at Hungary for them to score points, and of course his outstanding qualifying results.

As a Schumacher fan from the '90s and '00s, I just don't want Hamilton to surpass his 7 world titles record. His ego is already well-inflated as it is; he doesn't need another milestone to his name.

[bsswan]

  On 10/27/2021 at 7:42 AM, enzoalec92 said:

Problem is that the costs of F1 dwarfs any other motorsport series, even with the budget cap; Lord Hesketh from the movie Rush immediately comes to mind. I agree with you on your second statement though.

Russell has shown his maturity on several occasions this season, from his emotional state after scoring Williams' first points in years, to telling his team to sacrifice his race and prioritise Latifi's strategy at Hungary for them to score points, and of course his outstanding qualifying results.

As a Schumacher fan from the '90s and '00s, I just don't want Hamilton to surpass his 7 world titles record. His ego is already well-inflated as it is; he doesn't need another milestone to his name.

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I wasn't a Schumacher fan at the time, he was just as spoilt, egotistical, maniacal and pushy as Hamilton has been. Martin Brundle, Johnny Herbert and the like we're never that way, so never won - nice guys finish last, and all that.

Some nice guys did, but one offs, like Kimi, Mika, and Damon.

Times have kinda changed a bit, I hope, otherwise Russel also has no hope.

[Kar_lover]

  On 10/26/2021 at 8:48 AM, Tommisan said:

@Kar_lover Lewis was in the turbulent air of Max after closing in, that will affect his performance, plus tyres degradation will also play a part even though his tyres are 8 laps younger. If every lap gains 1sec, we don't need to continue the season as the results will always be in Mercedes favour. It is a great achievement for Max to win the United States Grand Prix (COTA), Lewis has been very strong throughout but if you look at the final laps, Lewis was faster in Sector 1, but Max was faster in Sector 2 and Sector 2 are high speed corners, sharp corner and long straights. It shows that Max was running low downforce (he was also complaining his car was sliding around) and the top speed is not too far off the pace of Mercedes. Plus US Grand Prix always favours Mercedes, the ability to break the trend shows Redbull's strength.

Max even gave thanks to Mick Schumacher in the final few laps where Mick provided Max with DRS activation that gave him the extra boost to pull slightly away from Lewis.

All in all, an outstanding performance by Max and Honda powered Redbull team.

 

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Indeed, i was so sure Max was going to be passed by Ham at the end....

[Blueray]

think Red Bull have learnt their lesson from previous races where Max ran out of tyres in the last few laps and lost the race to Ham.

this time Max had to manage his last set of tyres to maintain the lead and also keep Ham out of DRS.

 

[Tommisan]

@Kar_lover It seems the tyres and weather in US Grand Prix suit Redbull better than Mercedes. 

https://www.racefans.net/2021/10/25/red-bull-were-quicker-on-all-tyres-in-austin-heat-says-hamilton/