2022 Kia EV6

[Kennethoka]

25 minutes ago, sHy3r said:

Oh i see. 
i find that EV6 looks sportier but rear seats seem uncomfortable. Ioniq 5 has useful interior but seem not as energy efficient than EV6…. 
 

i wonder the price range will differ alot… ?🤔

 

as of now, Hyundai is gathering interests for ioniq 5… but not EV6… seem C&C now only focus on their Sonet… 

Maybe C&C is in waiting and see mode as they might think that there is still many uncertainty for Singapore, be it infrastructure, user behaviour  and also COE, they might think that after the COE, their EV might not be attractive enough because the price range might be the same as Tesla.

[teomingern]

Confirm same pricing as Tesla... better range, better charging, better interior, better fit and finish... won't be surprised if it costs more than Tesla!

[Kennethoka]

13 hours ago, teomingern said:

Confirm same pricing as Tesla... better range, better charging, better interior, better fit and finish... won't be surprised if it costs more than Tesla!

But Tesla has better performance, better tech and better software. That why Tesla is selling like hot cakes as compare to other EV which has lower OMV but yet the selling price is way higher than Tesla

[teomingern]

1 hour ago, Kennethoka said:

But Tesla has better performance, better tech and better software. That why Tesla is selling like hot cakes as compare to other EV which has lower OMV but yet the selling price is way higher than Tesla

For electric car, better performance is useless... step harder and your range drops exponentially... repeated heavy discharging will kill your battery faster with our constant high heat levels... I rather have more range and a nicer inside... after all, you face the inside of your car all the time whereas you won't even notice how fast your car goes... after all the EV6 is already faster than most people can handle... ha ha...

[Kennethoka]

1 hour ago, teomingern said:

For electric car, better performance is useless... step harder and your range drops exponentially... repeated heavy discharging will kill your battery faster with our constant high heat levels... I rather have more range and a nicer inside... after all, you face the inside of your car all the time whereas you won't even notice how fast your car goes... after all the EV6 is already faster than most people can handle... ha ha...

I would say they are for different market segment. For those geek and performance seekers, they are still prefer Tesla. As for EV 6, there is not much different compare driving an ICE car, only more torque, more horse power. Other than that nothing much to 'show off' to other people.

[Watwheels]

If want to buy EV I think it is better to wait for SSB or solid state battery.

Li-ion batteries have too many disadvantages. Especially the highly flammable liquid electrolyte thus need added protection which adds weight. The solid-state batteries are as its name suggest solid dry cell, are lighter, have more energy density, offer more range, and recharge faster. But price wise it is yet to be known. This is ultimately what buyers look at when buying a car.

 

 

 

[teomingern]

2 hours ago, Watwheels said:

If want to buy EV I think it is better to wait for SSB or solid state battery.

Li-ion batteries have too many disadvantages. Especially the highly flammable liquid electrolyte thus need added protection which adds weight. The solid-state batteries are as its name suggest solid dry cell, are lighter, have more energy density, offer more range, and recharge faster. But price wise it is yet to be known. This is ultimately what buyers look at when buying a car.

 

 

 

Probably next 5 years before it is cheap enough to commercialize and another 5 more to be cheap enough to reach the masses... but I sure hope faster than that with the lightning fast evolving nature of the tech industry...

[Kennethoka]

I mean we can discuss that the disadvantage of EV and the technology of the battery. Doesn't reflect market sentiment.  Based on the number of car registered from LTA website shows that people wants Tesla.

Edited December 28, 2021 by Kennethoka

[teomingern]

15 hours ago, Kennethoka said:

I mean we can discuss that the disadvantage of EV and the technology of the battery. Doesn't reflect market sentiment.  Based on the number of car registered from LTA website shows that people wants Tesla.

It's a luxury car mah... status symbol... also a new toy... typical Singaporean trait... not surprised... also only those with the access to chargers will buy... mostly are landed property owners or private condo owners with charging stations or those with workplaces that have such stations... hardly a mainstream option I would say at the moment... perhaps when every HDB MSRP has a few charging station, then maybe things will change... still for humble HDB dweller like me, Tesla is totally out of reach at current prices... ha ha...

[Kennethoka]

3 hours ago, teomingern said:

It's a luxury car mah... status symbol... also a new toy... typical Singaporean trait... not surprised... also only those with the access to chargers will buy... mostly are landed property owners or private condo owners with charging stations or those with workplaces that have such stations... hardly a mainstream option I would say at the moment... perhaps when every HDB MSRP has a few charging station, then maybe things will change... still for humble HDB dweller like me, Tesla is totally out of reach at current prices... ha ha...

I am disagree that Telsa price is out of reach. Because you can see that all the CAT B car is around that price i am sure that Telsa selling price is in the lower 30% level of the CAT B group. Therefore those who can afford Cat B car should be able to afford Tesla.

so compare some of the EV with the price around 200K

Tesla Model 3 - 19XK (lower end)

MG ZS Electric - 155K

MG 5 Electric - 160K

Kia Niro Electric - 178K

Hyundai ioniq Electric - 195K

so my guess for the price for Hyundai ioniq 5 and Kia EV 6 might be above $200K because I don't think Komoco wants to hurt the sale of Tucson as Tucson Hybrid already price at $189K

Road tax and insurance is out of this discussion.

So let not discuss whether should get EV now or later as there is another thread for this discussion. Since this is about EV6, so let talk about if you are going to get an EV, which one will you get?

[Beregond]

6 minutes ago, Kennethoka said:

I am disagree that Telsa price is out of reach. Because you can see that all the CAT B car is around that price i am sure that Telsa selling price is in the lower 30% level of the CAT B group. Therefore those who can afford Cat B car should be able to afford Tesla.

so compare some of the EV with the price around 200K

Tesla Model 3 - 19XK (lower end)

MG ZS Electric - 155K

MG 5 Electric - 160K

Kia Niro Electric - 178K

Hyundai ioniq Electric - 195K

so my guess for the price for Hyundai ioniq 5 and Kia EV 6 might be above $200K because I don't think Komoco wants to hurt the sale of Tucson as Tucson Hybrid already price at $189K

Road tax and insurance is out of this discussion.

So let not discuss whether should get EV now or later as there is another thread for this discussion. Since this is about EV6, so let talk about if you are going to get an EV, which one will you get?

abit unfair to compare?

esp between crossover, suv and saloon cars?

[Kennethoka]

I just compare all EV around 200K price point.

[teomingern]

1 hour ago, Kennethoka said:

I am disagree that Telsa price is out of reach. Because you can see that all the CAT B car is around that price i am sure that Telsa selling price is in the lower 30% level of the CAT B group. Therefore those who can afford Cat B car should be able to afford Tesla.

so compare some of the EV with the price around 200K

Tesla Model 3 - 19XK (lower end)

MG ZS Electric - 155K

MG 5 Electric - 160K

Kia Niro Electric - 178K

Hyundai ioniq Electric - 195K

so my guess for the price for Hyundai ioniq 5 and Kia EV 6 might be above $200K because I don't think Komoco wants to hurt the sale of Tucson as Tucson Hybrid already price at $189K

Road tax and insurance is out of this discussion.

So let not discuss whether should get EV now or later as there is another thread for this discussion. Since this is about EV6, so let talk about if you are going to get an EV, which one will you get?

I always go for most value for money - of course MG lor... ha ha...

I think it's acceptable that the EV6 & Ioniq 5 are priced higher than the Tesla 3 cos they're definitely one category up... I feel they're between the Model S & 3... I expect the list price to breach $200,000 for the first time for a Kia or Hyundai for the fully loaded dual motor model with all the bells and whistles...

Edited December 29, 2021 by teomingern

[Acegab]

19 minutes ago, teomingern said:

I always go for most value for money - of course MG lor... ha ha...

I think it's acceptable that the EV6 & Ioniq 5 are priced higher than the Tesla 3 cos they're definitely one category up... I feel they're between the Model S & 3... I expect the list price to breach $200,000 for the first time for a Kia or Hyundai for the fully loaded dual motor model with all the bells and whistles...

Lol how is a Kia EV6 and a Hyundai Ioniq 5 one category up compared to a Tesla? In the US those 2 are priced lower then a base model 3

[Kennethoka]

3 hours ago, Acegab said:

Lol how is a Kia EV6 and a Hyundai Ioniq 5 one category up compared to a Tesla? In the US those 2 are priced lower then a base model 3

Maybe it is an illusion that Kia and Hyundai are one cat up, because of the agent in Singapore need to earn the profit right. For Tesla is doing direct sales.

Example Audi E-Tron Advance OMV is 67K, add in all cost like COE and GST, the basic cost are $229,690 but the selling price is $357,960.

Where else for Tesla standard, OMV is $59,717, after everything the basic cost is $194,189 and selling price also $194,189

[inlinesix]

14 minutes ago, Kennethoka said:

Maybe it is an illusion that Kia and Hyundai are one cat up, because of the agent in Singapore need to earn the profit right. For Tesla is doing direct sales.

Example Audi E-Tron Advance OMV is 67K, add in all cost like COE and GST, the basic cost are $229,690 but the selling price is $357,960.

Where else for Tesla standard, OMV is $59,717, after everything the basic cost is $194,189 and selling price also $194,189

Tesla margin is about 30% of basic cost (excluding COE).

For the cheapest Tesla Model 3, the margin is about $26k

[Kennethoka]

16 hours ago, inlinesix said:

Tesla margin is about 30% of basic cost (excluding COE).

For the cheapest Tesla Model 3, the margin is about $26k

For Tesla break down is 59,717 (OMV) + 79,491 (ARF) + 20,276 (GST & Excise Duty) - 25,000 (VES) - 20,000 (EEAI) + 220 (Regn Fee) = 111,388 (excluding COE)

so the Tesla profit is from the OMV. But for other brand which selling via Distributor, there will be another component to take care which is Distributor profit which can be as high 300% - 400% of the OMV of the vehicle.

From the past data, I doubt Kia and Hyundai EV price will be below $200K.

[Car1990]

On 12/29/2021 at 9:35 PM, Kennethoka said:

Maybe it is an illusion that Kia and Hyundai are one cat up, because of the agent in Singapore need to earn the profit right. For Tesla is doing direct sales.

Example Audi E-Tron Advance OMV is 67K, add in all cost like COE and GST, the basic cost are $229,690 but the selling price is $357,960.

Where else for Tesla standard, OMV is $59,717, after everything the basic cost is $194,189 and selling price also $194,189

that’s how Tesla will kill those middleman