OFFICIAL: Tesla Singapore Discussion

[Heartlander]

1 hour ago, Voodooman said:

My friend is in management council of his 200-units atas condo, 5 residents have booked the Tesla and ask MCST to get the charger in by mid 2021.  

So the 5 residents will have to fight to use the charger. Unless all are considerate people, good luck to them. It will take only 1 rotten apple to make charging their EVs stressful events.

[Heartlander]

4 hours ago, Wt_know said:

i totally cannot accept that now empty fuel tank ... go pump petrol ... max 10mins settle

for EV ... how long to wait at station to charge from near 0-100? need to bring sleeping bag? 😆

If charging in public places take 20 to 30min, then must hang around to wait lah. If can do in  malls then also stressful as have to finish grocery shopping within the timing else fellow drivers will stare at you when collecting car. Not really pleasant to go through on constant basis.

[inlinesix]

30 minutes ago, hansmith said:

Let me put this in the most polite way possible.

I know your calculation is wrong but there is no need for me to prove it and there is no need for me to spoonfeed pri school mathematics.

I have publicised the formula.

You can check your own work. If you don't want to, that's fine too. Peace.

If you don't publish your answer, how the h we know you calculate?

Don't know say don't know

[Voodooman]

10 minutes ago, Heartlander said:

So the 5 residents will have to fight to use the charger. Unless all are considerate people, good luck to them. It will take only 1 rotten apple to make charging their EVs stressful events.

So, I am not sure how this is going to pan out.  Hence I might hold back for now, don’t fancy having to wake up at 2am to move my EV. 

[velocity-]

5 hours ago, Heartlander said:

Actually if true that Tesla has already chalked up sales of few thousands so far, we will be seeing a strain in the charging infra within the year. Interesting to see how it will evolve. Tesla has not announce plan for its charging network right? Details of its showroom and service centre(s) also nothing right?

That might not be true. Most of the people I know who booked the Model 3 already have access to their own charging without the reliance on the public charging network. 

Tesla Sales rep confirmed this with me. Superchargers will be in singapore for sure. They are targeting first Superchargers to be rolled out with the first cars. 

Showroom will be announced soon. The service centre will also be up before the first cars are delivered. Mobile rangers are being set up eventually too. Means you have a problem, the tech comes to your car instead of having to send your car down. 

The strain on the infrastructure will be the the other brands. With my tesla, I can charge at exclusive superchargers for Tesla use only. I also have the option to charge at public chargers. However it doesn't work the other way round for all other evs. 

[velocity-]

5 hours ago, Wt_know said:

i totally cannot accept that now empty fuel tank ... go pump petrol ... max 10mins settle

for EV ... how long to wait at station to charge from near 0-100? need to bring sleeping bag? 😆

I think the reverse is actually true. With my ICE car, I have to detour to the petrol station. Spend 5-10 mins topping it up and then queue to make payment. If you pump at sinopec lagi worst. Can be 20 min. 

Tesla superchargers can hit 150-170kw for V2 and even faster for V3. This means I can get a 0-80% charge in under 30 mins. And I do not need to wait till empty to go charge the ev.

 

 

But but but, the main kicker is this. I intend to charge at home or work. This means every day when I leave home or work, I have a full charge of at least 300km. Do I even drive 300km a day? no way. Also I can top up at public chargers at malls when I do my shopping etc. So this means I actually save time because I no longer have to visit a petrol station and I always leave my routine locations with a full charge. You simply don't get that with an ICE car unless you refuel everyday.

[velocity-]

3 hours ago, Mkl22 said:

anyway tesla model 3 standard has just been given another candy. road tax will be $1500 next year.

The article is wrong. 

 

LTA website lists the Standard Range at 239kw and Performance at 377kw. It means both are still out of the reduction band and will be paying the full tax. 

[velocity-]

1 hour ago, Heartlander said:

So the 5 residents will have to fight to use the charger. Unless all are considerate people, good luck to them. It will take only 1 rotten apple to make charging their EVs stressful events.

It doesn't really work this way. If they are engaging a service provider like SP, Greenlots or even Charge+. One shot they can install 4-8 chargers because of economy of scale. No one will go through the trouble to install one single charger alone. The next thing is not everyone will charge at the same time. 

Also, a lot of chargers can implement a hogging charge. i.e $1 per minute 10-20 minutes after charging is complete. 

 

 

57 minutes ago, Heartlander said:

If charging in public places take 20 to 30min, then must hang around to wait lah. If can do in  malls then also stressful as have to finish grocery shopping within the timing else fellow drivers will stare at you when collecting car. Not really pleasant to go through on constant basis.

You can use public AC chargers that charge at 7.2kw so you can spend 2-3 hours in a mall and wont be hogging others. AC chargers are cheaper anyway. 


 

 

1 hour ago, Lethalstrike said:

Sometimes I really wonder about this govt. For eons they had been so resistant and backwards towards EV acceptance.

They are willing to make concessions overnight with regards to EVs is all because of Hyundai setting up their innovation centre/limited production facilities here, isn't it? And a bigger push to increase GDP in a new manufacturing sector while the world is still reeling from the pandemic?

I mean it's all good, I'm not complaining at all and it's about time they finally decided to wake the fcuk up.

But a part of me is still skeptical of what else is going to come next, as they did made it clear the vision is to become car lite and WILL eventually make it the same cost to own an EV as an ICE vehicle. 

The end goal is still to eradicate mass car ownership. So it won't be ev cheaper than ice but rather govt will make ICE obsolete by banning it, making it too expensive for anyone to operate. Meanwhile I rather be in the early adopters to get hold of the 45k arf rebate and not be held hostage by the future petrol duty hikes. 

 

[inlinesix]

10 minutes ago, velocity- said:

The article is wrong. 

LTA website lists the Standard Range at 239kw and Performance at 377kw. It means both are still out of the reduction band and will be paying the full tax. 

Not really.

These 2 band ("30 < PR ≤ 90" & "90 < PR ≤ 230") will collapse into 30 < PR ≤ 230.

Under this new band it will be $3.75/kw rather than $7.5/kw

[Volvobrick]

13 minutes ago, velocity- said:

The article is wrong. 

 

LTA website lists the Standard Range at 239kw and Performance at 377kw. It means both are still out of the reduction band and will be paying the full tax. 

A software detune will bring it down immediately for registration.  And then Tesla can update over the air to restore to full power! Hurray!  

[Volvobrick]

17 minutes ago, velocity- said:



But but but, the main kicker is this. I intend to charge at home or work. This means every day when I leave home or work, I have a full charge of at least 300km. Do I even drive 300km a day? no way. Also I can top up at public chargers at malls when I do my shopping etc. So this means I actually save time because I no longer have to visit a petrol station and I always leave my routine locations with a full charge. You simply don't get that with an ICE car unless you refuel everyday.

What I said a few minuyes ago is proven to be true - even with 90% battery charge, every EV owners will chope the charger to top up to 100%!

[Fcw75]

4 minutes ago, Volvobrick said:

What I said a few minuyes ago is proven to be true - even with 90% battery charge, every EV owners will chope the charger to top up to 100%!

Rest assured there will always be hoarders here. 😁

[inlinesix]

4 minutes ago, Fcw75 said:

Rest assured there will always be hoarders here. 😁

If these ppl are willing to pay to hoard.  $1/minute?

[Fcw75]

2 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

If these ppl are willing to pay to hoard.  $1/minute?

Yes need a penalty.

[velocity-]

52 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

Not really.

These 2 band ("30 < PR ≤ 90" & "90 < PR ≤ 230") will collapse into 30 < PR ≤ 230.

Under this new band it will be $3.75/kw rather than $7.5/kw

From lta's guide, the Standard range has a max output of 239kw so it still sits above 230. 

I hope tesla can reduce the max output for a reduction in tax.

[velocity-]

51 minutes ago, Volvobrick said:

What I said a few minuyes ago is proven to be true - even with 90% battery charge, every EV owners will chope the charger to top up to 100%!

Since I charge at work or home, If I have adequate I might not want to plug in at public locations because electricity will always almost be more expensive. 

 

 

48 minutes ago, Fcw75 said:

Rest assured there will always be hoarders here. 😁

Hoarders will have to pay. 

 

37 minutes ago, Fcw75 said:

Yes need a penalty.

Perhaps legislation can be enacted to look into this. We penalise drivers who are not disabled and park in handicap lots. 

Maybe we can also penalise drivers who hog charging points after charging in completed past X time and also penalise non ev drivers who deprive ev drivers of a charging lot. 

Meanwhile, adding a charge past a certain time once charging is complete is the fastest way to combat hogging.

[velocity-]

57 minutes ago, Volvobrick said:

A software detune will bring it down immediately for registration.  And then Tesla can update over the air to restore to full power! Hurray!  

That will be ideal. But eventually I don't think LTA will take kindly to increasing power via OTA updates since road tax is determined by power output.

Fingers crossed, if they drop peak power by another 10 kw, it drops the SR+ road tax which will benefit all of us,

[Heartlander]

1 hour ago, velocity- said:

That will be ideal. But eventually I don't think LTA will take kindly to increasing power via OTA updates since road tax is determined by power output.

Fingers crossed, if they drop peak power by another 10 kw, it drops the SR+ road tax which will benefit all of us,

No offence from the deep knowledge you have despite the lack of EV/Tesla infra, you seem to be working for Tesla. I would not be sounding so confident when talking about Tesla related as there is nothing here yet at all. Yet you can talk until got dragon got phoenix haha.