OFFICIAL: Tesla Singapore Discussion

[inlinesix]

7 minutes ago, Jtis said:

Anyway, disrupting the car pricing model in Singapore is something I look forward to. Previously, we had no choice since no ADs want to rock the lucrative boat.

High 5 digit AD margins just doesn't sound right, when the margins often can buy another one of the same car in overseas markets. I can understand why there could be markup over msrp, but when the markup is applied on cost of car inclusive of govt taxes, you are just using govt taxes to justify/increase your margins.

But i am realistic that the market will find its equilibrium and long term, overall car prices may not come down. COE prices may well go up to match changes in affordability due to reduced AD margins if it ever happens

Sell Direct to the customer (From importer to customer) without any swanky showroom is the way to go to reduce that margin.

In addition, don't ask for a test drive before purchase.

Lastly, EV doesn't need so many technicians.

[Gz0707]

9 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

Sell Direct to the customer (From importer to customer) without any swanky showroom is the way to go to reduce that margin.

In addition, don't ask for a test drive before purchase.

Lastly, EV doesn't need so many technicians.

need electricians leh ... hehehe

[Zxcvb]

44 minutes ago, kelaihoyin said:

When they mark 50k-100k more than it should be. They probably deserve it😂

PI will use their best selling point “Made In USA” to hoodwink buyers that theirs is the real deal. Lol!!

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-11/tesla-plans-to-start-shipping-china-built-cars-to-europe-asia

“China-built Model 3s for delivery outside the country likely will start mass production in the fourth quarter, the people said, asking not to be identified because the details are private. They said the markets targeted include Singapore, Australia and New Zealand, as well as Europe. Shipments could start as soon as the end of this year or early 2021, according to the people.”

Great! We are getting the same Tesla as the Aussies and Kiwis. ORDER NOW!!!

[Lethalstrike]

11 minutes ago, tan_sue_yew said:

Another ignorant one. In case u don’t notice, our temperatures are perfect for ev. Cold is what the evs hate. 
 

our climate is perfect for evs along with our stop start traffic. I’m not surprised if all the Tesla owners here can get close to the wltp figures. 

You're not wrong to say that EVs work better in hotter climate, it would be optimal for the vehicle's range and hence your comment on getting close the WLTP figures. 

But you need to learn how to read carefully, as I'm referring to the battery lifespan. Battery lifespan also known as its State of Health (SOH) is a different metric from battery range. It is a fact that hotter climates will degrade the batteries state of health faster than those in temperate climates. If DC fast chargers are used, it may also accelerate the rate of battery degradation. 

Don't just shoot your mouth off by saying others are ignorant, we can all agree to disagree here. 

 

[Watwheels]

This will be a good 2nd car. LoL...

[RogerNg_185295]

37 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

Sell Direct to the customer (From importer to customer) without any swanky showroom is the way to go to reduce that margin.

In addition, don't ask for a test drive before purchase.

Lastly, EV doesn't need so many technicians.

If want a test drive,  can always go PI

[inlinesix]

2 minutes ago, Watwheels said:

This will be a good 2nd car. LoL...

With 423km EPA range, it is more than good 2nd car.

[Lethalstrike]

16 minutes ago, Zxcvb said:

PI will use their best selling point “Made In USA” to hoodwink buyers that theirs is the real deal. Lol!!

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-11/tesla-plans-to-start-shipping-china-built-cars-to-europe-asia

“China-built Model 3s for delivery outside the country likely will start mass production in the fourth quarter, the people said, asking not to be identified because the details are private. They said the markets targeted include Singapore, Australia and New Zealand, as well as Europe. Shipments could start as soon as the end of this year or early 2021, according to the people.”

Great! We are getting the same Tesla as the Aussies and Kiwis. ORDER NOW!!!

True, I can foresee what those salesman at Hong Seh will say 😂

But US made cars are hardly known to be high quality, not sure if anyone would be convinced. 

[RogerNg_185295]

9 minutes ago, Lethalstrike said:

True, I can foresee what those salesman at Hong Seh will say 😂

But US made cars are hardly known to be high quality, not sure if anyone would be convinced. 

All salesman will say whatever that can enable them to close the deal n get their commission.  Ultimately buyers will decide who gives them a better deal overall.

[inlinesix]

Model 3 Standard has 239kw power or 320hp.

It is equivalent to BMW M340 at 300+k.

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In term of road tax, it is $2,749 per annum.  Higher than M340 by $365/annum.

Based on fuel cost-saving, only need 3k km/annum to breakeven the additional cost of $365.

[andersseanx]

1 hour ago, tan_sue_yew said:

Carbon82 you are wrong wrong wrong! Add up the sums and you can see that there is little to no margin for Tesla Singapore. In fact they can afford to sell every car literally at 0 margin because they transfer the profit to the Shanghai factory. Tesla Singapore is literally a company set up to deliver the cars sent in from Shanghai.  
 
 

why make a profit here when u can channel the cost back to your production. You sinkies are too used to getting raped by AD markups until they bring in peasant models like c160, e180 because they know people will beg them to buy it and throw 60-80k margin at the ad only to get raped on servicing and maintenance packages.

Tesla is here to change that. No more bulls**t markups, no more maintenance. Other than the cabin filter and brakes if you use them. 
 

tesla doesn’t need to make money here. What they need to do is to gain market share. On the flip side, by them destroying all the ADs, we will get good deals on their existing inventory.

lol.. those who defended AD in Mercs thread.. lol.

[andersseanx]

56 minutes ago, tan_sue_yew said:

All Tesla’s come with the full self driving hardware. You pay the price to unlock the software to use it.

 

to all those pondering about fsd. Don’t buy it prepurchase. You will pay arf for it.

 

buy it after delivery. Even if the fsd price doubles which it shouldn’t so soon, it’s still cheaper than paying arf lol.

 

btw fsd should be available with a monthly subscription soon for those who wants to try it 

can buy it after purchase?

[Lethalstrike]

11 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

Model 3 Standard has 239kw power or 320hp.

It is equivalent to BMW M340 at 300+k.

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In term of road tax, it is $2,749 per annum.  Higher than M340 by $365/annum.

Based on fuel cost-saving, only need 3k km/annum to breakeven the additional cost of $365.

Bimmer has key fob to throw on table to haolian, Tesla can only throw your mobile phone with Tesla app or plastic Tesla keycard to hao lian 😁

[Jtis]

24 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

Model 3 Standard has 239kw power or 320hp.

It is equivalent to BMW M340 at 300+k.

======================================

In term of road tax, it is $2,749 per annum.  Higher than M340 by $365/annum.

Based on fuel cost-saving, only need 3k km/annum to breakeven the additional cost of $365.

I always thought SR+ had less power, like 280+hp only, because it is only single motor RWD. Gd to know they upgraded the power.

[Juicy77]

Anyone knows how much are the current Model 3 owners paying for insurance? I wonder if Tesla will bring in their own in-house insurance like in the US.

[Lethalstrike]

38 minutes ago, tan_sue_yew said:

you are also shooting your mouth off. Lol. Take a look at high mileage Tesla’s which were all early ones. Tesloop had one which was supercharged only and racked up 400k miles. It was used as a limo service. Also in the Las Vegas desert. The first battery lasted 200+ thousand miles. 

anyway tesla has a 8 year 192km battery warranty here for the performance and 160kkm for the standard range. I’m sure that mileage is more than what people will adequately need. 
 

Clearly I didn't. I've mentioned battery lifespan in my earlier post, which you quoted. 

The fact is that higher temperatures does affect the battery lifespan negatively, how is this shooting my mouth off? Heat increase battery degradation over time, and extreme cold can impact performance for a battery while lowering the discharge capacity. That's the basic science behind lithium ion and operating temperatures, get this in your head. 

I'm not refuting that Tesla don't know what they are doing to mitigate battery degradation as that can be managed by proper charging cycles through software/algorithm and more efficient battery coolant management system. Good on them and for us that the battery will realistically last the course of a 10 years COE period. 

By the way, in Las Vegas, while their summers can be hotter than SG, on average their temperature throughout the year is lower. They frequently had lower temperatures of 10-20 deg (Jan-Mar, Oct-Dec etc). For us, its a consistently above 30 deg C all round. 

 

 

 

[Vid]

Not every market can buy FSD after delivery. Don't be a smart alec ...

[andersseanx]

2 hours ago, tan_sue_yew said:

 

you are also shooting your mouth off. Lol. Take a look at high mileage Tesla’s which were all early ones. Tesloop had one which was supercharged only and racked up 400k miles. It was used as a limo service. Also in the Las Vegas desert. The first battery lasted 200+ thousand miles. 
 

anyway tesla has a 8 year 192km battery warranty here for the performance and 160kkm for the standard range. I’m sure that mileage is more than what people will adequately need. 
 

 

 

@andersseanxAnd yes, you can buy fsd after delivery.

 

I can’t wait to see the panic going on at all those pi who have stock for model 3s and looking to sell above 200k for sr+. 
 

also wonder how all the ads are reacting. The standard range plus goes head to head with entry level 318 and c class but with way more performance, less maintenance and undercuts them by at least 20k or more. The upcoming evs like e tron, ix3, eqc going to have problem moving compared to model y once is launches 😂. 
 

now is the good time to go there and offer the ad ridiculous lowball like otr price plus 10k margin. 

doubt they (PI) care. I see no price change.