Suu Kyi detained

[Wind30]

20 hours ago, Turboflat4 said:

The very first thing that any sensible civilian administration should have done is to clip the wings of the military. Preferably in a bloodless and even win-win fashion. 

Look at sg. So many people kpkb about why so many Generals go into ruling party politics and/or secure sinecures in senior civil service admin jobs. But have these people considered all the possible reasons this may not be an entirely bad thing? The last thing we need is a cult of personality built up by flag and senior officers. 

To me, putting generals into civil service does not help at all. Stuff like civil liberties, the right to free speech is far far more important. 

That is why I am soo against Pofma and especially the way it was USED after it was enacted. Remember when it was enacted, they give examples of time critical scenarios whereby the truth needs to go out else people will get hurt. It kind of made sense but even is such critical scenario was is worth it?

In the end how was pofma used??? Arguing over PMET employment chart with the SDP... which I thought SDP has a decent case as their interpretation could be valid. That was just horrible. One of the big things that I thought was totally done wrong. 

What can protect us from a cult of personality is to make sure information flow freely to everyone, the soldiers, the population. I don't think it is easy to convince an army to revolt against a democratically elected government if you have the right value entrenched over the generations. Such things are probably unthinkable in western democracies. 

Even crazy trump or a general wants to overturn election, will the rank and file soldier follow him?

Actually, my worry in singapore is not that our army will revolt against the incumbent but they are tooo subservient to the incumbent. what happens when there is a change in administration?? Will it go smoothly??

 

Edited February 1, 2021 by Wind30

[Scion]

3 hours ago, Yewheng said:

The thing is that if one can't even Help save themselves, what makes you think that he can help save others? Look at what America had done? Go for trade war with China, go go bombing Afghanistan, only know print money is the solution to save the economy (but in actual fact make it worst) and the list goes on. 

 

I felt that people need to know the difference of real help and say one thing and then offer help but in a sense make it worst. Worst is not help but put oil to the fire. 

if you are an expert in political science/international relationship or working in the MFA, then perhaps your words have some credibility

otherwise sorry, you are just a keyboard warrior or armchair critic like anyone of us... commenting is always easy

[RadX]

8 minutes ago, Scion said:

if you are an expert in political science/international relationship or working in the MFA, then perhaps your words have some credibility

otherwise sorry, you are just a keyboard warrior or armchair critic like anyone of us... commenting is always easy

Totally agree. Learn to ignore him.

[Yewheng]

13 minutes ago, Scion said:

if you are an expert in political science/international relationship or working in the MFA, then perhaps your words have some credibility

otherwise sorry, you are just a keyboard warrior or armchair critic like anyone of us... commenting is always easy

I mean it's easy to predict what Biden will do based on past pattern. Look.. 

 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/biden-demands-myanmar-military-cede-power-orders-sanctions-14091004?cid=FBcna

 

This is call thinking critically not based on emotions. Yeah I am just keyboard warrior or whatever you guys called. But then sometimes these people also do make sense out of things hor.. Not Everytime is talk rubbish.. 

Edited February 1, 2021 by Yewheng

[Scion]

in any case, i just feel sad for the common folks there, who have to put up with these shit for 50 years...

[ToyotaShuttle]

16 hours ago, Wind30 said:

??? If my country's elected government is taken over by military, I will wish that USA will help me... or anybody for that matter. 

What if the us helps overthrow your county's elected government instead?

[Yewheng]

57 minutes ago, Scion said:

in any case, i just feel sad for the common folks there, who have to put up with these shit for 50 years...

As much as we feel for them.. I feel we also need to understand what we could do, including countries too. If there is nothing much we could do but to impost stanchions or sent military over there, might as well don't do anything. 

[Didu]

This article provides some dynamics into the political situation there...

Commentary: Why a military coup cannot be the solution in Myanmar

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/commentary/myanmar-military-coup-aung-san-suu-kyi-detained-protests-arrest-14087798

[Jamesc]

16 hours ago, inlinesix said:

Thailand run by the King la

That's a good idea. Make the top general a king and then let another general run the country.

People never critise Thailand and sanction them so why should they sanction Burma?

[Jamesc]

And yes must add a new rule cannot criticize the king and get 80 years jail and rotan.

[Weez911]

12 hours ago, Scion said:

so you mean the world should turn a blind eye to this event that blatantly and suka suka destroy a democratically elected government? 

then why some people so work up when China threatens to invade Taiwan? after all it's "internal affairs"

Objectively what do you expect the world to do?

Form an alliance and liberate Myanmar, which has an army of 550k and a land bigger than Vietnam and Thailand, and a geography that makes it almost impossible to breach?

Or sanction them like how they sanction NK? Fine, but the fat generals will only get fatter while the people will suffer more in a sanction. 

For that matter, shall we also set a rule to the rest of the 200 countries to follow your own preferred governance structure? If they don't follow then we invade them with our children's blood?

Edited February 2, 2021 by Weez911

[Jusnel]

2 hours ago, Scion said:

in any case, i just feel sad for the common folks there, who have to put up with these shit for 50 years...

Looking at it, we shld be thankful for what we have in Singapore. 

Myanmar used to be the Tiger in SEA. They were strong in every sense of a country. Singapore used to kowtow to them in the past. 

[Wind30]

16 minutes ago, Weez911 said:

Objectively what do you expect the world to do?

Form an alliance and liberate Myanmar, which has an army of 550k and a land bigger than Vietnam and Thailand, and a geography that makes it almost impossible to breach?

Or sanction them like how they sanction NK? Fine, but the fat generals will only get fatter while the people will suffer more in a sanction. 

For that matter, shall we also set a rule to the rest of the 200 countries to follow your own preferred governance structure? If they don't follow then we invade them with our children's blood?

 

I could be wrong but I thought the Myanmar People PREFER the elected government, overwhelmingly. Or are you arguing that the election is rigged? 

I don't think Suu is without allies in Myanmar. I would expect the world to support she and her allies. You are assuming the general control of the army is absolute and the the myanmar's people's freedom is not worth fighting for. 

If the dictatorship is capable like China's, and have the people's support, you can argue turning a blind eye. 

But when you have a country with 54 million people who are so against the military based on the election results..

 

[inlinesix]

6 hours ago, Yewheng said:

The thing is that if one can't even Help save themselves, what makes you think that he can help save others? Look at what America had done? Go for trade war with China, go go bombing Afghanistan, only know print money is the solution to save the economy (but in actual fact make it worst) and the list goes on. 

I felt that people need to know the difference of real help and say one thing and then offer help but in a sense make it worst. Worst is not help but put oil to the fire. 

You have to look at whatever you said from America POV.

Similarly, we have to look at whatever foreign policy that benefits Singapore.

[Beregond]

26 minutes ago, Weez911 said:

Or sanction them like how they sanction NK? Fine, but the fat generals will only get fatter while the people will suffer more in a sanction. 

usa already  making plan for sanction as usual . see how it goes in a few weeks.

but some of my myanmar friends in sg tell me they hope this wont happen, it  wont effect those generals and soldiers, but the common ppl are those that is going to suffer for it. 

[inlinesix]

Joe Biden calls for Myanmar’s military to relinquish power immediately

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3120128/joe-biden-calls-myanmars-military-relinquish-power-immediately

[Weez911]

6 minutes ago, Beregond said:

usa already  making plan for sanction as usual . see how it goes in a few weeks.

but some of my myanmar friends in sg tell me they hope this wont happen, it  wont effect those generals and soldiers, but the common ppl are those that is going to suffer for it. 

Ya we only need to look at the physical size and lifestyle of Kim Jong Un vs an average NK citizen to know whether sanction works. That the most classic portrayal of a sanction against an autocrat. 

[1fast1]

3 hours ago, Wind30 said:

To me, putting generals into civil service does not help at all. Stuff like civil liberties, the right to free speech is far far more important. 

That is why I am soo against Pofma and especially the way it was USED after it was enacted. Remember when it was enacted, they give examples of time critical scenarios whereby the truth needs to go out else people will get hurt. It kind of made sense but even is such critical scenario was is worth it?

In the end how was pofma used??? Arguing over PMET employment chart with the SDP... which I thought SDP has a decent case as their interpretation could be valid. That was just horrible. One of the big things that I thought was totally done wrong. 

What can protect us from a cult of personality is to make sure information flow freely to everyone, the soldiers, the population. I don't think it is easy to convince an army to revolt against a democratically elected government if you have the right value entrenched over the generations. Such things are probably unthinkable in western democracies. 

Even crazy trump or a general wants to overturn election, will the rank and file soldier follow him?

Actually, my worry in singapore is not that our army will revolt against the incumbent but they are tooo subservient to the incumbent. what happens when there is a change in administration?? Will it go smoothly??

 

Don't have time for a long post, but I never said I agreed with their strategy. Accept objectively highly competent military officers into civil service, sure - but don't make it a mechanism for outright cronyism. 

Pretty much agree with the rest, but I'm surprised to see you expressing such dissatisfaction with the incumbent since you've always seemed to be highly supportive of them in the past. At least as far as my memory serves. 

As far as regime change goes, I have too much to say to keep it short, but in my view, even the EP system was a fairly unsubtle machination to maintain control over the nation's coffers and deny any potential opposition-origin leadership the funds to govern effectively. They have all kinds of ways to entrench themselves in de facto and de jure power.