Staycation, Grand Park Orchard Hotel overbooked?

[inlinesix]

27 minutes ago, Windwaver said:

That's the freedom of not having kids.

That’s why DINK is the BEST

[Kopites]

6 hours ago, BabyBlade said:

Many out there with family and friends happy to use those vouchers. Many hotels and attractions, tours, F&B located in tourist hotspots also looking for ways to attract Singaporeans and residents here. For what? Just to stay afloat during tough times. I'm sure the $100 voucher is appreciated by them.

Technically second wave already came and subsided. First wave was the Wuhan tourists in January. Second was from returning citizens in March indirectly causing a leak contributing to the increase in community cases and the surge in dormitory cases. 

Sure there are many countries out there experiencing a surge in cases now but it's all about taking calculated risks and riding with the wave aka mitigating each wave. COVID-19 is here to stay, are you expecting our economy/our tourism industry and our hotels to wait till COVID is over? We're talking about the rice bowl of many out there as well.

Would I go to tourist attractions now knowing it's the school holidays aka peak period? No I wouldn't because I don't have kids and I hate crowded places but I'll be more than happy to go during the off peaks. So what's stopping those with family to enjoy some family time during the December holiday while cases are relatively low? Zero case/low cases doesn't mean no case for sure but we can't be staying home forever. Life goes on. Manage your expectations, do what's comfortable for yourself and family.

Singapore kiasuism at work.

Voucher vaild for 6 months but why the rush now?

I would be surprised if singaporean didn't ventured out in throng during the voucher validity first weekend.

The over hype of FREE voucher by main stream media.  Lack of coordinate effort by various government agencies, services/attraction/retails providers. 3 to 4 different platform for redemption creating chaotic and confuse especially for the elders.

My views.

 

 

[Yewheng]

15 hours ago, Lethalstrike said:

Don't even need to think far on insurance fraud. Let's start simpler such as fixing odometer fraud first. Its well within the government's control if they are serious about it. 

I think if there's zero incentive for a civil service to look good, nobody gives a rat ass about things. As Singapore was positioned as a tourism and transit hub as part of its economic strategy, government die also has to save the hotels and incentivize locals to spend at the hotels. When it comes to things which mattered to the government, and these are usually things involving $$$ & economy, you can be sure they will move mountains and seas in double quick time. HSR project with Johor, Changi T5, Jewel, F1, casinos etc. To us it may seem overreactive, to them its a die die must do. 

And yet, when it comes to things which mattered to us the most, we witnessed statements such as "Healthy no need masks" and major cock-ups & U-turns to contain Covid earlier this year. 

 

I think this pandamic exposed the danger of T5 being a white elephant. I been thinking of what it should be converted to for quite sometime. 

 

I come out with an idea. Since singapore is now going to transport vaccine and then this vaccine need to be stored at - 70 degrees C right? Beside transport this vaccine, Singapore airflight can be also quite busy and from what I see, there is room for expension for airflight be it flight to local here or for transit. 

 

So my thinking is that to convert T5 to high tech storage facilities, medical/science research facilities. So let's say in future for example have another pandamic and as we know singapore still need business travellers, tourism to survive. Then the time taken to transport these test samples from airport (taking travellers sample or even meat and vegetables samples and etc) to lab testing facilities would be cut short considerably as the testing facility is just next to airport, so there will have less prone of the samples being not accurate if need to store like say - 70 or even - 100 or less degrees c. 

Then there is also high tech storage facilities, so when flight item arrived and maybe these flight item need to transfer to another aircraft for it to fly somewhere that this flight is not flying. The flight item transporting for temporarily storage will be just next to airport. So there are super opportunities for the airflight to expend here in SG with the advantage of short turnover time due to high tech storage facilities just next to airport. 

Edited December 14, 2020 by Yewheng

[mersaylee]

8 hours ago, Kopites said:

Singapore kiasuism at work.

Voucher vaild for 6 months but why the rush now?

I would be surprised if singaporean didn't ventured out in throng during the voucher validity first weekend.

The over hype of FREE voucher by main stream media.  Lack of coordinate effort by various government agencies, services/attraction/retails providers. 3 to 4 different platform for redemption creating chaotic and confuse especially for the elders.

My views.

 

 

Becos who knows there might be some other bochup CBK to trigger another CB or vaccines don't work... better to use it before next school holidays 

ActiveSG $100 not as active as Staycation $100 hor 😂

Edited December 15, 2020 by mersaylee

[Philipkee]

22 minutes ago, Yewheng said:

I think this pandamic exposed the danger of T5 being a white elephant. I been thinking of what it should be converted to for quite sometime. 

 

I come out with an idea. Since singapore is now going to transport vaccine and then this vaccine need to be stored at - 70 degrees C right? Beside transport this vaccine, Singapore airflight can be also quite busy and from what I see, there is room for expension for airflight be it flight to local here or for transit. 

 

So my thinking is that to convert T5 to high tech storage facilities, medical/science research facilities. So let's say in future for example have another pandamic and as we know singapore still need business travellers, tourism to survive. Then the time taken to transport these test samples from airport (taking travellers sample or even meat and vegetables samples and etc) to lab testing facilities would be cut short considerably as the testing facility is just next to airport, so there will have less prone of the samples being not accurate if need to store like say - 70 or even - 100 or less degrees c. 

Then there is also high tech storage facilities, so when flight item arrived and maybe these flight item need to transfer to another aircraft for it to fly somewhere that this flight is not flying. The flight item transporting for temporarily storage will be just next to airport. So there are super opportunities for the airflight to expend here in SG with the advantage of short turnover time due to high tech storage facilities just next to airport. 

Might as well say convert T5 into a quarantine facility.  It doesn't need to be a quarantine facility in perpetuity.  It could be designed as an office area in one part and the medical/ science research facility in another.  T5 might even be operational as a terminal.  But the thing is, if a pandemic happens, the offices can be turned into isolation rooms and the operational terminals be converted to accept only flights from danger areas.

And we shouldn't even be focusing solely on pandemic.  Its just that this happens now.  If a bombing attack happens in Indonesia for example, maybe the serious burns patients will need to be sent to SGH because of burns treatment but the less lightly injured (maybe not the burns patient but those who have minor injuries but have to be evacuated)can also be held in the isolation rooms (the offices can be converted easily as long as the equipment are portable like laptops instead of desktops) to be treated and processed rather than flooding the hospitals.

[Windwaver]

10 hours ago, inlinesix said:

That’s why DINK is the BEST

Yeah, actually having a single income with no kids is also doable.

As in a couple can choose to take on contract jobs instead of getting into long term mental stress from full time work.

This is actually the norm in many countries.

 

[Windwaver]

26 minutes ago, Philipkee said:

Might as well say convert T5 into a quarantine facility.  It doesn't need to be a quarantine facility in perpetuity.  It could be designed as an office area in one part and the medical/ science research facility in another.  T5 might even be operational as a terminal.  But the thing is, if a pandemic happens, the offices can be turned into isolation rooms and the operational terminals be converted to accept only flights from danger areas.

And we shouldn't even be focusing solely on pandemic.  Its just that this happens now.  If a bombing attack happens in Indonesia for example, maybe the serious burns patients will need to be sent to SGH because of burns treatment but the less lightly injured (maybe not the burns patient but those who have minor injuries but have to be evacuated)can also be held in the isolation rooms (the offices can be converted easily as long as the equipment are portable like laptops instead of desktops) to be treated and processed rather than flooding the hospitals.

Having a medical facility next to the airport sounds like a great idea.

 

[Kopites]

10 hours ago, inlinesix said:

That’s why DINK is the BEST

What is DINK?

[Kopites]

It such incident happened to one hotel we can simply brush it off as technical clique (like yesterday night goggle).😄

However it happened not one but to a few hotels (staycation) over the weekend. Somehow somewhere might has gone wrong.

🤔

[inlinesix]

4 minutes ago, Kopites said:

What is DINK?

Dual Income No Kid

[mersaylee]

4 minutes ago, Kopites said:

What is DINK?

😁

[Yewheng]

1 hour ago, Philipkee said:

Might as well say convert T5 into a quarantine facility.  It doesn't need to be a quarantine facility in perpetuity.  It could be designed as an office area in one part and the medical/ science research facility in another.  T5 might even be operational as a terminal.  But the thing is, if a pandemic happens, the offices can be turned into isolation rooms and the operational terminals be converted to accept only flights from danger areas.

And we shouldn't even be focusing solely on pandemic.  Its just that this happens now.  If a bombing attack happens in Indonesia for example, maybe the serious burns patients will need to be sent to SGH because of burns treatment but the less lightly injured (maybe not the burns patient but those who have minor injuries but have to be evacuated)can also be held in the isolation rooms (the offices can be converted easily as long as the equipment are portable like laptops instead of desktops) to be treated and processed rather than flooding the hospitals.

Hmm.. Then the high tech storage facilities can serve dual function. Coz as we know storage facilities need big space, if not how to store items? So these big space storage area can be converted to quarantine centre quickly if need to. 

[Lethalstrike]

2 hours ago, Yewheng said:

I think this pandamic exposed the danger of T5 being a white elephant. I been thinking of what it should be converted to for quite sometime. 

 

I come out with an idea. Since singapore is now going to transport vaccine and then this vaccine need to be stored at - 70 degrees C right? Beside transport this vaccine, Singapore airflight can be also quite busy and from what I see, there is room for expension for airflight be it flight to local here or for transit. 

 

So my thinking is that to convert T5 to high tech storage facilities, medical/science research facilities. So let's say in future for example have another pandamic and as we know singapore still need business travellers, tourism to survive. Then the time taken to transport these test samples from airport (taking travellers sample or even meat and vegetables samples and etc) to lab testing facilities would be cut short considerably as the testing facility is just next to airport, so there will have less prone of the samples being not accurate if need to store like say - 70 or even - 100 or less degrees c. 

Then there is also high tech storage facilities, so when flight item arrived and maybe these flight item need to transfer to another aircraft for it to fly somewhere that this flight is not flying. The flight item transporting for temporarily storage will be just next to airport. So there are super opportunities for the airflight to expend here in SG with the advantage of short turnover time due to high tech storage facilities just next to airport. 

If we are talking about sub zero degree facilities specifically for the preservation of vaccines, dedicated specialized cold storage equipment will have to be invested in to take into account the longer transit times. This isn't that hard for CAG to achieve if they see vaccines as a commodity moving in transit internationally going forward. 

However, it's also quite another to invest in permanent personnel and testing facilities just for Covid right beside the storage area, unless governments all around the world see Covid as a permanent thing for the rest of our lives, I doubt the government will want to spend the money now. A semi temporary set up might be the answer in the short term. 

 

 

[Philipkee]

4 hours ago, Lethalstrike said:

 

However, it's also quite another to invest in permanent personnel and testing facilities just for Covid right beside the storage area, unless governments all around the world see Covid as a permanent thing for the rest of our lives, I doubt the government will want to spend the money now. A semi temporary set up might be the answer in the short term. 

Not really.  It's not just covid-19.  Its MERS, Ebola and others.  I doubt we will run out of diseases to test.

It's like army.  We only fought one war but we have a conscipt army until today. Just in case.

Don't forget.  Until the next crisis occurs, the terminal is still operating like usual. Receiving tourists and travellers.  So it will not be a "white elephant" per se.

[Jusnel]

22 hours ago, BabyBlade said:

Many out there with family and friends happy to use those vouchers. Many hotels and attractions, tours, F&B located in tourist hotspots also looking for ways to attract Singaporeans and residents here. For what? Just to stay afloat during tough times. I'm sure the $100 voucher is appreciated by them.

Technically second wave already came and subsided. First wave was the Wuhan tourists in January. Second was from returning citizens in March indirectly causing a leak contributing to the increase in community cases and the surge in dormitory cases. 

Sure there are many countries out there experiencing a surge in cases now but it's all about taking calculated risks and riding with the wave aka mitigating each wave. COVID-19 is here to stay, are you expecting our economy/our tourism industry and our hotels to wait till COVID is over? We're talking about the rice bowl of many out there as well.

Would I go to tourist attractions now knowing it's the school holidays aka peak period? No I wouldn't because I don't have kids and I hate crowded places but I'll be more than happy to go during the off peaks. So what's stopping those with family to enjoy some family time during the December holiday while cases are relatively low? Zero case/low cases doesn't mean no case for sure but we can't be staying home forever. Life goes on. Manage your expectations, do what's comfortable for yourself and family.

With this $100 voucher idea, the social distancing and limit group size can be thrown out of the window. 

Doesn't need a PhD to know that. 

 

Why are we still very strict on SD and limit group size and employing so many SD ambassadors to janga us when throngs of ppl are rushing to hotels, tourist attractions? 

500 ppl in a hotel's pool and gym, what social distancing is that? 

[Yewheng]

6 hours ago, Lethalstrike said:

If we are talking about sub zero degree facilities specifically for the preservation of vaccines, dedicated specialized cold storage equipment will have to be invested in to take into account the longer transit times. This isn't that hard for CAG to achieve if they see vaccines as a commodity moving in transit internationally going forward. 

However, it's also quite another to invest in permanent personnel and testing facilities just for Covid right beside the storage area, unless governments all around the world see Covid as a permanent thing for the rest of our lives, I doubt the government will want to spend the money now. A semi temporary set up might be the answer in the short term. 

 

 

Not just covid-19.. It can be for other things that require super cold storage. Who knows in future? 

[inlinesix]

27 minutes ago, Yewheng said:

Not just covid-19.. It can be for other things that require super cold storage. Who knows in future? 

Super cold storage only need for mRNA vaccine.

[Lethalstrike]

1 hour ago, Jusnel said:

With this $100 voucher idea, the social distancing and limit group size can be thrown out of the window. 

Doesn't need a PhD to know that. 

 

Why are we still very strict on SD and limit group size and employing so many SD ambassadors to janga us when throngs of ppl are rushing to hotels, tourist attractions? 

500 ppl in a hotel's pool and gym, what social distancing is that? 

Hard truth, haha.  

It's very hard to stop determined Singaporeans from rushing, especially hotels that are throwing out good prices to encourage families to spend a night or two there during this school holidays when travelling isn't possible.