MOM takes action against 47 firms & investigating 240 others for possibly favouring foreign job applicants over S'poreans

[Mockngbrd]

Yes outsource to "contractor" is a big loophole. Esp. those "contractors" that are sitting inside the same office but does not count towards the organisation's headcount. 

[Staff69]

i dont gain anything by exposing such practices. 

 

my main driving force is that, i been thru all these unfair employment practices and understood how it feels to be treated like dirt ,osterized by colleagues and make to be a scapegoat, just because i am a local.  .

 

 

recently,  had a chat with a young undergraduate working as a midnight supermarket stacker in the neighbourhood 24 hours supermarket.  i saw him revising his notes while sitting in front of the supermarket as a temperature taker, so i joking ask him, wah, so hardworking , studying while working.  he told me that his dad was layoff , and he wanted to earn his own allowance so as not to burden the family.

 

i am not sure why his dad was layoff but during this recession,  many Singaporeans with family to feed , needs help. which is why, during these times, all the monkey business that happened during the good times ,need to be curb. 

if foreigners can help each others ,among themselves.  we as Singaporeans,  should do even more to help fellow Singaporeans. after all, this is our country.

 

ps, i am not against foreigners,  i am against unfair ganging up,to kick Singaporeans out of their jobs

 

if you read thru the expat posts, all of them are applying for PR to secure their own employment and 98% are from 1 single country. 

 

https://forum.singaporeexpats.com/viewtopic.php?t=134139&start=495

 

Edited August 18, 2020 by Staff69

[Sdf4786k]

2 hours ago, Staff69 said:

i dont gain anything by exposing such practices. 

 

my main driving force is that, i been thru all these unfair employment practices and understood how it feels to be treated like dirt ,osterized by colleagues and make to be a scapegoat, just because i am a local.  .

 

 

recently,  had a chat with a young undergraduate working as a midnight supermarket stacker in the neighbourhood 24 hours supermarket.  i saw him revising his notes while sitting in front of the supermarket as a temperature taker, so i joking ask him, wah, so hardworking , studying while working.  he told me that his dad was layoff , and he wanted to earn his own allowance so as not to burden the family.

 

i am not sure why his dad was layoff but during this recession,  many Singaporeans with family to feed , needs help. which is why, during these times, all the monkey business that happened during the good times ,need to be curb. 

if foreigners can help each others ,among themselves.  we as Singaporeans,  should do even more to help fellow Singaporeans. after all, this is our country.

 

ps, i am not against foreigners,  i am against unfair ganging up,to kick Singaporeans out of their jobs

 

if you read thru the expat posts, all of them are applying for PR to secure their own employment and 98% are from 1 single country. 

 

https://forum.singaporeexpats.com/viewtopic.php?t=134139&start=495

 

As i mention previously. During the subprime, there was a surge of PR. They use to have repatriation within a month of expiry of work permit.

And hence i question the ability to rapidly correct the unbalance hiring as caught by MOM. How do you repatriate the dependent pass holders to be in sync with those that have since been force to freeze the renewal process for the 47 +240 on the watch list.

 

[Yewheng]

5 hours ago, Mockngbrd said:

Yes outsource to "contractor" is a big loophole. Esp. those "contractors" that are sitting inside the same office but does not count towards the organisation's headcount. 

But outsource contractor will not have the same benefit as employed by the company lao right? Coz it is the outsource company that provide the benefit to these employees lao.. 

[Mockngbrd]

1 hour ago, Yewheng said:

But outsource contractor will not have the same benefit as employed by the company lao right? Coz it is the outsource company that provide the benefit to these employees lao.. 

Ya so the actual company using these ppl don't have to spend $$$ hiring locals and just fill up jobs with outsourced "contractors". 

Edited August 18, 2020 by Mockngbrd

[ToyotaShuttle]

I reckon the manpower agency will be earning at least 30% of the salary from these outsourced guys.

Our locals can't compete still?

[Lethalstrike]

17 hours ago, Sdf4786k said:

Thats still not how it works.

So in the IT world, a bank or financial institution will outsource certain headcount to a IT contractor aka the top8 ceca IT firm.

You have 8 IT firm to again outsource to 6 subcontractors.

Thats why need to show how deep the rabbit hole is.

And if thats not enough, lets assume they take action against the 47 firm by not allowing renewal for 3 years. (Doubt will happen).

How about those company that hire on fair practice . Those pass holder who brought their dependents and uprooted maybe 3 or 9 of them here will also have their pass revoke?.

That certainly food for thought and a very risky move . So definantely ,the best option is not to create an international incident of epic proportion of repatriatiing àll the 47 firms over committed breach of hiring and 240 additional one.

If MOM was the one to rubber stamp the work permit. Who then is accountable?. Or joint accountability?

One would imagine all of MOM would need to review closely on where the process gaps have failed and stop all those single source of detrimental reliance.

My take is sg will continue to watch as in the case of the previous 1200s before this case.

Only lesson learnt is watch until how long and continue to erode the singaporean job 

Even now with the huge number of imported cases of covid from certain country, we contine to be vigalant instead of stopping them from returning.

Basically, we bend over backwards for CECA and had thoroughly screwed ourselves over the last 15 years, with our international standing & reputation being put at risk if we made drastic moves now...

Edited August 19, 2020 by Lethalstrike

[Wt_know]

20 minutes ago, Lethalstrike said:

Basically, we bend over backwards for CECA and had thoroughly screwed ourselves over the last 15 years, with our international standing & reputation being put at risk if we made drastic moves now...

why why why ...  

Edited August 19, 2020 by Wt_know

[Lethalstrike]

7 minutes ago, Wt_know said:

why why why ...  

[Kangadrool]

10 hours ago, ToyotaShuttle said:

I reckon the manpower agency will be earning at least 30% of the salary from these outsourced guys.

Our locals can't compete still?

Locals aren't that expensive for PMETs jobs. The hard reality is the blatant opening and uncontrolled inflow of foreign PMETs and each chief is trying to bring in their own villages even though there are suitable and willing Singaporeans for the jobs. 

[Fcw75]

Good to see more singaporeans speaking up.

Last paragraph very sarcastic, I likey!

Edited August 19, 2020 by Fcw75

[Wt_know]

after get PR consider local liao ... not FT ... huat ah!

[Albeniz]

On 8/17/2020 at 11:19 AM, Sdf4786k said:

I suspect the parents did not expect such a quick return on investment for the kid.

First job already assitant director. And so untypical of selective job applicant.

Let hope they dont short change her under 10k.

Anyway tax and death are 2 unavaiodable things in life. Thats why doctors and iras are sort after careers.

 

Please read the article again carefully.  Her job title is "Director assistant", not "assistant director".

Just like Assistant Professor and Professor assistant,   Big difference.

 

[Weez911]

I'm very concerned why ST Forum becomes so active with letters on FT after July 2020, especially when the floodgates were opened substantially since 2004.

[Freeder]

With all these shit happening, the much touted 4G stars will surely lead us to Holland...

[Mockngbrd]

12 hours ago, ToyotaShuttle said:

I reckon the manpower agency will be earning at least 30% of the salary from these outsourced guys.

Our locals can't compete still?

Sorry for, "contractors" could always be shell companies. 

[Lethalstrike]

19 hours ago, Mockngbrd said:

Yes outsource to "contractor" is a big loophole. Esp. those "contractors" that are sitting inside the same office but does not count towards the organisation's headcount. 

IT industry is already rampant with such practice. Go Stan Chart's backend located at Changi Business Park and roles are filled up by these "contractors", sitting in the same office as the locals (already very few left).

Back in 2016, I can already observe that by 3 pm all will congregate together for some tea and Chapati at the food court, life is good! 

[Mockngbrd]

2 minutes ago, Lethalstrike said:

IT industry is already rampant with such practice. Go Stan Chart's backend located at Changi Business Park and roles are filled up by these "contractors", sitting in the same office as the locals (already very few left).

Back in 2016, I can already observe that by 3 pm all will congregate together for some tea and Chapati at the food court, life is good! 

Yup, and it does not add to "official headcount". "Officially" can always still have the correct local : FT ratio.