GE2020: Singapore General Election - 10 July 2020

[boonhat_91]

 

[CYHew]

3 hours ago, Yewheng said:

 

 

Look like sengkang grc a lot of pmd riders will vote WP.. See la.. Go change policy with no much lead time given to pmd riders.. Make them pissed off.. Maybe its these vote that is very critical for pap if the vote count is very close.. 

 

Next time when want change policy, please give enough lead time for people to adjust.. Also don't just change policy and then few weeks later change again.. Like that make people more pissed off.. Plus this shows lack of planning. 

Too many flip flop policies enacted that were painful and brutal to be reversed. Just hope PAP would reconsider the need to up the GST to 9% which will cause much misery to lower and working class people!!!

[Fitvip]

8 hours ago, Fcw75 said:

Does that lao beng even know who’s he farking up?

Exactly.  Judging from the words spoken, it seemed he was barking up the wrong tree.😂

[Yewheng]

47 minutes ago, yishunite said:

Agreed Lam is a good example of PAP ruling standard... the handling of pmd regulation was like this:

Step 1) flipflop (encourage last mile carlite blablabla)

Step 2) flipflop (ul2272 restrict restrict restrict)

Step 3) screwup (banbanban)

Step 4) throw $$$ at problem  (pay pmds to forget their mistake with lotsa money out of nowhere)

Step 5) ....? (Voters forget and vote them back)

Step 6) raise gst (profit!!!)

Ya.. Actually people generally is quite understanding one.. Majority of people will obay laws. However when policy that is just changed and then changed again very fast, the policy maker think what? trial and error? Don't forget it involved people jobs, livehood, how can use them as trial and error? Aren't they should do a comprehensive study and have many experts around them to come out with all the figures and then policy maker to make decisions? This sums up.. Don't use people for trial and error.. This shows total incompetency. What for pay so much money to have incompetency mp or minister that only know how to trial and error that normal citizen are the one that are the most affected? 

Edited July 7, 2020 by Yewheng

[Yewheng]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/sgopposition/permalink/629117677704905/

 

Initially rp might not lose deposit, but after few of rp episode. Be prepared for the worst result that they could have and lose deposit. Many will spilt vote then to vote for RP even if they are die hard opposition supporters. 

[Spurman]

6 hours ago, Turboflat4 said:

Sure but that's not happening. 

1. To train Singaporeans up you need a really high level of FT. Instead, you're getting mid level jokers from the third world with dubious qualifications who have the shakiest of grasps on their own claimed skillset. How are they going to train anyone else up if they're barely competent themselves? 

2. Look at the way some FTs in key positions in organisations operate. When they have influence on hiring decisions, they'll quickly give preference to fellow countrymen, especially relatives and friends. That's not even close to "training up Singaporeans" unless you count the new citizens this biased hiring policy generates, which further cheapens our citizenship and negates the birthright of our children to a stable future here.

Singapore has 2 top. World class. Maybe even 3 or 4 universities. Churning out so many local grads.

 

Yet our grads cant compare to ceca grads...

 

Shameful pap

[Adrianli]

7 hours ago, Yewheng said:

Talking about CECA, there is this idea bring up by my friend.. 

 

Rather then let many forginers in with EP.. Why not bring them in with need basis. Like say for example this company need a specialist skillset worker and need bring in forginers. Why not allow to bring them in based on in need basis for say 2 yrs for the forginers to train up Singaporeans. Once Singaporeans is trained up and could fulfil the job, that forginers would then return back to his home country. Then of coz with that government will provide rebate for the company that spend time and money to train up Singaporeans. The rebate could be tax rebate. This is to encourage companies to do that. So this will solve 2 problems. 1. Companies would be still able to have specialised skillset working to work in that company, 2. Singaporeans are hired for that specialised skillset job. 

 

Workable? 

Not workable for some specialist work.

From what I see in the marine industry,

1) Some of the technology used by the companies are trade secret so they would not share.

2) By the time you train that Singaporean up, technology has already moved on.

 

Example, most electric motors are now run by frequency drives aka soft starters. It controls the speed and power of the motor. You can get it off the shelve from the vendor. But tuning the frequency drive to suit a particular motor requires calibration with a laptop. They will not teach anyone how to tune it, it is trade secret for them. If you do not have the correct parameters, the frequency will burn up and there goes your 5 to 6 digit equipment.

Another example is deep sea or underwater ROV(Remote Operating Vehicle). It is very closely guarded trade secret. No company will trust outsider to learn their technology otherwise they would not have an edge against their competitors. And the technology here moves very fast. Within 1 - 2 years, technology will move on liao.

[Albeniz]

7 hours ago, Solar said:

Easily abused bro. I have seen it for myself when I dealt with a CECA company years ago. 

Anyway, I believe WSG is currently doing this now, hiring Singaporeans and train them and they give subsidy.

I find this is a slow and painful process. We need a quick fix now, as the unemployment is expected to skyrocket, especially when the Gov salary subsidy ends in Aug.

Fastest way is to review those EP and revoke them. Companies will be given 6 months to comply and get replacements from the Singaporean PMETs.

If deemed not experienced/skillful 'enough', like a bro said earlier, hire the Singaporean and use a portion of his salary for WSG training.  You will be able to fast-track 

1. Singaporean employment

2. Singaporean experience and skillset that was lost due to manpower mismanagement due to CECA over the past 15 years 

That also makes me wonder. 

Is there anything wrong with the content of our tertiary education?  How come we are not producing graduates with the skillsets to meet the needs, so much so that we have to keep importing, over the many years?

[Freeder]

7 hours ago, Lethalstrike said:

JBJ really didn't give face and mince his words. 

He said ,"Brigadier General Lee, would you please answer my question?!" 

At least GCT n LHL answered them back..

Our current / retired ministars mindfxxked replies will be...What’s do u think ? What’s the pt behind your question? It’s either in Singapore or Out of Singapore...just to name a few .. 

Really JLB ...

[Yewheng]

3 minutes ago, Freeder said:

At least GCT n LHL answered them back..

Our current / retired ministars mindfxxked replies will be...What’s do u think ? What’s the pt behind your question? It’s either in Singapore or Out of Singapore...just to name a few .. 

Really JLB ...

Actually what do you think is not too bad if ministers want to know what general people think or feel that it's a group effort that make singapore as a whole. However, cannot be too blant to so direct and ask what do you think. This one is a straight suicide. So have to be very careful and talk or do things in a way to encourage participation and at the same time able to gather people ideas and then work together for a common goal.. Many people have a common goal.. It is to have a better singapore. So many will be willing to chip in ideas if it is for singapore. So the way they speak also very important, cannot be too direct about what do you think. 

Edited July 7, 2020 by Yewheng

[Theoldjaffa]

8 hours ago, Turboflat4 said:

My goodness, you actually think that what PM Lee said is something to parrot without criticism? 

Anyone who needs to go out of his way to "fix" his opponents playing by all the rules (that are already heavily against them) deserves to lose. He certainly doesn't deserve a mandate. Doing so is an act of craven moral cowardice.

Please don't start your cari makan making ends meet spiel again. I really don't care. You are an IB through and through. I gave you the benefit of the doubt with a long and nuanced reply from the heart before. Now I wonder why I bothered. I won't again (as in bothering to be accommodating of your stance, as I don't consider it worthy of respect).

If he’s really an IB, then he’s really low quality one 🤭

[Yewheng]

8 hours ago, Solar said:

Easily abused bro. I have seen it for myself when I dealt with a CECA company years ago. 

Anyway, I believe WSG is currently doing this now, hiring Singaporeans and train them and they give subsidy.

I find this is a slow and painful process. We need a quick fix now, as the unemployment is expected to skyrocket, especially when the Gov salary subsidy ends in Aug.

Fastest way is to review those EP and revoke them. Companies will be given 6 months to comply and get replacements from the Singaporean PMETs.

If deemed not experienced/skillful 'enough', like a bro said earlier, hire the Singaporean and use a portion of his salary for WSG training.  You will be able to fast-track 

1. Singaporean employment

2. Singaporean experience and skillset that was lost due to manpower mismanagement due to CECA over the past 15 years 

Okay get you.. So it still need to have FT to come in because of some specialised skillset is really needed.. Then that bring another question. Cannot be SO MANY of these FT come in because they are just super specialised right? So there seems to be able to further tighten to look into is the FT that bring in is that really specialised that only they have in view of the company trade secret or technology is so new that Singaporeans do not have? Guess many ft that bring in are just work that can be done by Singaporeans in fact, where only very little of ft that bring in is of really very special needs. 

[Scion]

8 hours ago, Yewheng said:

Talking about CECA, there is this idea bring up by my friend.. 

 

Rather then let many forginers in with EP.. Why not bring them in with need basis. Like say for example this company need a specialist skillset worker and need bring in forginers. Why not allow to bring them in based on in need basis for say 2 yrs for the forginers to train up Singaporeans. Once Singaporeans is trained up and could fulfil the job, that forginers would then return back to his home country. Then of coz with that government will provide rebate for the company that spend time and money to train up Singaporeans. The rebate could be tax rebate. This is to encourage companies to do that. So this will solve 2 problems. 1. Companies would be still able to have specialised skillset working to work in that company, 2. Singaporeans are hired for that specialised skillset job. 

 

Workable? 

 

2 years later, those foreigners will become PRs or naturalised citizens, then the company will say hey look, i've hired locals, but i need more foreigners... then the cycle continues 😖

[Hyde333]

7 hours ago, Turboflat4 said:

Sure but that's not happening. 

1. To train Singaporeans up you need a really high level of FT. Instead, you're getting mid level jokers from the third world with dubious qualifications who have the shakiest of grasps on their own claimed skillset. How are they going to train anyone else up if they're barely competent themselves? 

2. Look at the way some FTs in key positions in organisations operate. When they have influence on hiring decisions, they'll quickly give preference to fellow countrymen, especially relatives and friends. That's not even close to "training up Singaporeans" unless you count the new citizens this biased hiring policy generates, which further cheapens our citizenship and negates the birthright of our children to a stable future here.

To make matter worse, from personal experience, it's we Singaporean who train those mid level jokers from the third world and once they acquired partial skills, our time will be UP! And these mid level jokers will then propagate throughout the industry! It's the mindset of the FT's in key positions hiring fellow countrymen for their own hidden agenda that is rampantly practiced which is hurting Singaporeans. I strongly believe most of the PMETs positions currently taken up by these FT's can easily be filled up by Singaporeans. 

[Theoldjaffa]

8 hours ago, Staff69 said:

 

One question was edited out  

[Weez911]

10 hours ago, ToyotaShuttle said:

If enough people vote oppo for the sake of voting oppo, there is a non 0 chance of it happening.

Another outcome is that it will be as PM Lee said. PAP will be too busy thinking of how to fix the oppo instead of making the tough choices needed to run this country.

Can you guys stop creating clone accounts here? I have 1 page that has only 2 posts I can see, as the rest are all on ignore list.

Get a real job FFS. How much, really, can they pay you to post such drivel online?

Edited July 8, 2020 by Weez911

[Theoldjaffa]

There you go.

Lim Tean campaigning for Jalan Besar SMC

 

[Yewheng]

https://mothership.sg/2020/07/kumar-appavoo-reform-party-progress-singapore-party/

 

Alamark Kumar appavoo.. Are you confused? you confused, people also will get confused.. 

Edited July 8, 2020 by Yewheng