Mandatory wearing of masks in public spaces even if you're exercising?

[13177]

14 minutes ago, JanM said:

to me, this is a healthy no need to wear mask moment.  If there is a possibility, should err on the side of safety unless there is solid data otherwise.  For the past 6 months, our community rate has been low, so even if it is possible to spread in this way, there were likely no spreaders to begin with.  but never say never

Even though for the past 6 months, it seems like our community cases are not super high, but there are still cases in our community which means there are still carrier out there which never able to kill off.

[13177]

15 minutes ago, BabyBlade said:

Go back to work can't be faulted. That's livelihood at stake. But as much as we can we try to reduce chances of us spreading and catching the virus. If we see a huge crowd, avoid it. Long queue for food stall,  avoid it. There are so many cafes, restaurants, coffeeshops in Singapore, why do we insist on eating at one place? Look at pictures of East Coast Park etc, mad crowded and many do not bother to wear a mask, even when cycling leisurely. Just wear a mask la. WARNING CARD AH. Haha.

The only thing we can do is to avoid crowded places. But we cannot ensure others can also do the same, esp like colleagues. I dont know where they go?! Lol. So when we go back to work and stay in the office for 8-9 hours, risk is there. Even though it is livelihood at stake. 

[BabyBlade]

6 minutes ago, Jamesc said:

Those countries experiencing second wave is mostly young people at night entertainment spots.

Clubbing and pubbing are really not the places don't go can die one.

This is something to ponder over as well. How to safely open night spots? Don't see it happening in the near future especially when you look at HK, Australia and even SK, where their new cases rose due to clubs, bars, pubs. But for economic reasons, if these businesses continue to stay closed, then they will all die off. Will there be a 5th, 6th, 7th Budget to support them till end of the year or even beyond? Our reserve is finite after all. 

[13177]

12 minutes ago, Beregond said:

those country experiencing 2nd or even 3rd wave is a very good example for us already ,

if for the first time we are caught off guard, i try my best to accept all the excuse given.

but not this time.

Even these countries seems to be like handle covid better than sg also experience 2nd or 3rd wave, dont know when sg will kenna it? Or maybe we would not since gahment should be quite good how to handle it this round liao?

[13177]

Just now, BabyBlade said:

This is something to ponder over as well. How to safely open night spots? Don't see it happening in the near future especially when you look at HK, Australia and even SK, where their new cases rose due to clubs, bars, pubs. But for economic reasons, if these businesses continue to stay closed, then they will all die off. Will there be a 5th, 6th, 7th Budget to support them till end of the year or even beyond? Our reserve is finite after all. 

I dont think gahment would have anymore budget support liao, thats why they reopen the economy so fast from phase 1 to phase 2, until almost many activities and business have resumed till to date?! Luckily our cases still not say shoot up to sky. Hopefully it would not on coming months?!

[BabyBlade]

2 minutes ago, 13177 said:

The only thing we can do is to avoid crowded places. But we cannot ensure others can also do the same, esp like colleagues. I dont know where they go?! Lol. So when we go back to work and stay in the office for 8-9 hours, risk is there. Even though it is livelihood at stake. 

Oh yes this brings me to another point. Group size limited to five. But there are many people who are arranging outings in groups bigger than the allowed number, split into two tables, and mingle around after that. This is another blind spot the government gotta call out. Something which is happening quite frequently in offices and amongst friends.

[BabyBlade]

Just now, 13177 said:

I dont think gahment would have anymore budget support liao, thats why they reopen the economy so fast from phase 1 to phase 2, until almost many activities and business have resumed till to date?! Luckily our cases still not say shoot up to sky. Hopefully it would not on coming months?!

Yeah I do hope most of us know the phases happened in quick succession to help the economy/businesses and not because the virus is no longer there but seems like its a free for all now. Covidiots exist for a reason?

[inlinesix]

3 minutes ago, BabyBlade said:

Oh yes this brings me to another point. Group size limited to five. But there are many people who are arranging outings in groups bigger than the allowed number, split into two tables, and mingle around after that. This is another blind spot the government gotta call out. Something which is happening quite frequently in offices and amongst friends.

Like this

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Coronavirus: 1,000 cases of safe management violations at ActiveSG facilities since Phase Two began but situation improving

https://www.straitstimes.com/sport/coronavirus-1000-cases-of-safe-management-violations-at-activesg-facilities-since-phase-two

[inlinesix]

Just now, BabyBlade said:

Yeah I do hope most of us know the phases happened in quick succession to help the economy/businesses and not because the virus is no longer there but seems like its a free for all now. Covidiots exist for a reason?

When there are too many COVIDIOTS, govt has to u-turn back to phase 1.

[Robin]

maybe its just me but i've noticed more ppl exercising ever since CB started.... are ppl trying to stay healthy? or not wanting to wear a mask when they are out of home?

[Voodooman]

41 minutes ago, JanM said:

to me, this is a healthy no need to wear mask moment.  If there is a possibility, should err on the side of safety unless there is solid data otherwise.  For the past 6 months, our community rate has been low, so even if it is possible to spread in this way, there were likely no spreaders to begin with.  but never say never

That is not what i am saying. It is silly not to have a mask mandate. Don't understand why the Americans are even debating about it. Wearing mask is to protect others, not just you.  They have a EV mandate but can't get their head around a mask mandate, that is how fxxking crazy this lack of leadership has gotten. 

But life must go on somewhat for people getting fat every day, it is like the reopening, there is risk but not doing it will cause far more damage. I don't agree with jogging with mask (health hazard) or to ban outdoor exercise when the science is what is is today.

[Jamesc]

21 minutes ago, BabyBlade said:

This is something to ponder over as well. How to safely open night spots? Don't see it happening in the near future especially when you look at HK, Australia and even SK, where their new cases rose due to clubs, bars, pubs. But for economic reasons, if these businesses continue to stay closed, then they will all die off. Will there be a 5th, 6th, 7th Budget to support them till end of the year or even beyond? Our reserve is finite after all. 

One of the benefits of not selling alcohol is Hospital A&E reported fewer cases of road accidents, people fighting and having broken bones.

In the long run there will be fewer cases of cirrhosis of the liver and other alcohol related problems.

Its not a problem if we had fewer bars and clubs.

Maybe people can do yoga and pilates instead of pubbing and clubbing.

For young people looking for a life partner the person doing pilates and yoga will be a better fitter choice.

Meet at pub or club

Meet at pilates or yoga

Your choice

Edited July 20, 2020 by Jamesc

[Jamesc]

1 minute ago, Robin said:

maybe its just me but i've noticed more ppl exercising ever since CB started.... are ppl trying to stay healthy? or not wanting to wear a mask when they are out of home?

I am not complaining.

I now see a lot of good looking young ladies with the sports bra

out running these days.

[Beregond]

22 minutes ago, 13177 said:

I dont think gahment would have anymore budget support liao, thats why they reopen the economy so fast from phase 1 to phase 2, until almost many activities and business have resumed till to date?! Luckily our cases still not say shoot up to sky. Hopefully it would not on coming months?!

I agree that we cannot close forever..and its too late for a total lock down to flush out all the infected already. We already use up 90 days.

But at least on alot of  area we can put in more effort.

[Philipkee]

I am actually very curious of one thing.

BMT has resumed.  How is training conducted safely?  After all with each bookout there is a chance of someone getting infected and asymptomatic.  Wear a mask?  I am not sure.  Possible to wear masks and do SOC and field camp or IPPT?

What about regular army training like 5bx or unit training?  I am not sure if it can be done safely with masks (river crossing for example).

So maybe that is why they cannot mandate exercise to be done with masks on as law.  Cos if they do, soldiers undergoing training will have reason to reject training or insist all training be done with masks on even if it affects performance. You also cannot have one law for normal civilians and one law for the military esp since the military mingles with the civilians every weekend during book outs.

My two cents.

Edit: I hope this is not going to be a blind spot cos the demographic profile of soldiers matches those of FW.  It's just that we have not (have we? If have I apologise, dont POFMA me) done mass testing on them yet.

Edited July 20, 2020 by Philipkee

[Philipkee]

9 minutes ago, Jamesc said:

 

Meet at gym

Meet at  bar and club

Unfortunately I think you are wrong.  What really happens is this.

[Beregond]

42 minutes ago, Philipkee said:

I am actually very curious of one thing.

BMT has resumed.  How is training conducted safely?  After all with each bookout there is a chance of someone getting infected and asymptomatic.  Wear a mask?  I am not sure.  Possible to wear masks and do SOC and field camp or IPPT?

What about regular army training like 5bx or unit training?  I am not sure if it can be done safely with masks (river crossing for example).

So maybe that is why they cannot mandate exercise to be done with masks on as law.  Cos if they do, soldiers undergoing training will have reason to reject training or insist all training be done with masks on even if it affects performance. You also cannot have one law for normal civilians and one law for the military esp since the military mingles with the civilians every weekend during book outs.

My two cents.

Edit: I hope this is not going to be a blind spot cos the demographic profile of soldiers matches those of FW.  It's just that we have not (have we? If have I apologise, dont POFMA me) done mass testing on them yet.

42 minutes ago, Philipkee said:

 

ya.

i talk to some regular b4, they are extremely worry on this, yet they cannot stop training, and cannot ask the man dun go home every week.

 

Edited July 20, 2020 by Beregond

[CremornePt]

1 hour ago, 13177 said:

Either there is no super spreader all this while jogging along a track, or all the people jogging outside is not covid carrier.

Or 3rd possibility - running behind an infected jogger outdoors could just be a magnitude lower risk of infection than sitting indoor with the same guy.