Toyota Corolla Cross

[steveting99]

  On 2/14/2023 at 2:19 AM, Rayleigh said:

Agreed with your points. On the consolation, Forester is at neutral band given that it is a 2L NA engine. Certainly at 1.6T, it feels like a tank and acceleration is "leisurely smooth" only as described. Subaru designed philosophy has shifted towards safety and family oriented. Cant deny their zealousness in ensuring safety in every aspect of the car. Toyota reigns in the reliability and fuel efficiency.

Rav4 fuel consumption is very impressive. Saw the video where Rav4 was driven with 1 fuel tank from Sg to South Thailand.  

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Hi Rayleigh,

Singapore government will tighten vehicle emission standards in the future. Which means that if Subaru continues to sit on its laurels with its old boxer engine design, what is today the neutral band will jump into the surcharge band. I can foresee a sad future awaiting potential Subaru Forester owners. 

Toyota's engineers with improve the drive train of the Corolla Cross hybrid going forward, so that when Singapore government eventually tighten vehicle emission standards, it can  hopefully retain the A2 (-$15k) rebate and at worse become neutral band.  

I reckon the passive safety systems of both the Corolla Cross hybrid and Subaru Forester are good. I should start looking into the active safety systems.   

[DOBIEMKZ]

  On 2/14/2023 at 3:36 AM, iamahbee said:

B is for engine braking; precisely for use in downhill situations so you don't fry your brakes.

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Yes indeed, it does mitigate the need for braking in downhill/downslope, but the engine braking effect is not prolonged, for after a few seconds the speed will creep up and up instead of hanging on. Have used it on several cars, some are labelled "L" instead of "B".

But I do see the point that foot braking is still needed for this model, and hybrid cars in general, because they need the braking to re-generate some power back to the battery.

Well that's life, we lose some, we gain some. 😅 ... 😁

 

[steveting99]

  On 2/14/2023 at 3:46 AM, DOBIEMKZ said:

Yes indeed, it does mitigate the need for braking in downhill/downslope, but the engine braking effect is not prolonged, for after a few seconds the speed will creep up and up instead of hanging on. Have used it on several cars, some are labelled "L" instead of "B".

But I do see the point that foot braking is still needed for this model, and hybrid cars in general, because they need the braking to re-generate some power back to the battery.

Well that's life, we lose some, we gain some. 😅 ... 😁

 

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This is where the plug-in hybrid comes into the picture. With the larger onboard battery compared to the normal hybrid, a downhill/downslope run recharges the large battery while not having to rely on the friction brakes.  This has multiple benefits of; (a) saving friction break wear, while (b) recuperating energy into the large onboard battery that, (c) the engine doesn't need to charge up and (d) can be used to power the HVAC and other loads on the car or (e) extend the EV range.

If Toyota was smart, they would offer a plug-in version of the Corolla Cross as a competitor to EVs. The plug-in version would perform better than the hybrid. Drive almost like an EV for the first 50kms (or thereabouts) with no range anxiety of trying to find a plug when the battery gets depleted - the engine recharges the battery.  If there's a plug nearby, can re-charge the battery and save on fuel costs. If no plug nearby, just rely on the engine and go into hybrid mode. A win-win situation. 

[DOBIEMKZ]

  On 2/14/2023 at 4:08 AM, steveting99 said:

This is where the plug-in hybrid comes into the picture. With the larger onboard battery compared to the normal hybrid, a downhill/downslope run recharges the large battery while not having to rely on the friction brakes.  This has multiple benefits of; (a) saving friction break wear, while (b) recuperating energy into the large onboard battery that, (c) the engine doesn't need to charge up and (d) can be used to power the HVAC and other loads on the car or (e) extend the EV range.

If Toyota was smart, they would offer a plug-in version of the Corolla Cross as a competitor to EVs. The plug-in version would perform better than the hybrid. Drive almost like an EV for the first 50kms (or thereabouts) with no range anxiety of trying to find a plug when the battery gets depleted - the engine recharges the battery.  If there's a plug nearby, can re-charge the battery and save on fuel costs. If no plug nearby, just rely on the engine and go into hybrid mode. A win-win situation. 

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Toyota has a RAV4 PHEV variant, but it's still new; and read that the next-gen Prius will offer a PHEV variant, for those who want such.  Seems that Toyota is quite contented with its current HEV technology. 😅

Edited February 14, 2023 by DOBIEMKZ

[13177]

  On 2/14/2023 at 2:43 AM, inlinesix said:

1.5L => Yaris Cross

1.8L/2L => Corolla Cross

That has been Toyota Model hierarchy

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Yaris Cross consider quite common on the road, maybe before the crazy spike of COE. BM launched the Corolla Cross at a very bad timing, with the current COE, dont think many people would buy this car lo.

[Freeder]

  On 2/14/2023 at 4:25 AM, DOBIEMKZ said:

Toyota has a RAV4 PHEV variant, but it's still new; and read that the next-gen Prius will offer a PHEV variant, for those who want such.  Seems that Toyota is quite contented with its current HEV technology. 😅

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Think they are gunning for Hydrogen Technology…

[inlinesix]

  On 2/14/2023 at 4:45 AM, Freeder said:

Think they are gunning for Hydrogen Technology…

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Entire Japan is gunning for Hydrogen

[Mkl22]

  On 2/14/2023 at 12:33 AM, steveting99 said:

@Rayleigh I honestly liked the Forester hybrid. It's got a spacious interior and driver's view out tot he road is much better than the Carolla Cross hybrid. The major issue with the Forester is it's outdated boxer engine. Its got several problems:

(1) Poor emissions resulting in no rebate (-$15k) to A2 - even though its a hybrid;

(2) Poor performance with slow acceleration from stand still. Felt like moving a van (MPV) rather than a SUV.

(3) Disappointing FC even with a hybrid.

Surprisingly the Forester hybrid (1,682 kg) is heavier than the RAV 4 hybrid (1,610 kg). Toyota engineers have done some magic with the RAV4 power train area, installing a much bigger engine (2,487cc producing 176bhp and matching it with an 118bhp electric motor) that gives an amazing FC of 21.2 km/L and yet does the century sprint in 8.1s. The plug-in hybrid RAV 4 is even better.

Looks like Subaru has been sitting on it's boxer engine laurels for a long time. Will wait and see if Subaru decides to fix its boxer engine hybrid combination with the help of it's majority owner - Toyota.   

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toyota hybrid is a true hybrid.

forester is a mild hybrid. will never have the efficiency

[steveting99]

@Mkl22 this is where Toyota needs to step in and help out its smaller Japanese brother with its superior hybrid system. The Corolla Cross is a great example of a Toyota’s engineering of hybrids that’s been improving since the first Prius came out. 
Subaru says it will come out with a plug in hybrid for its vehicles. Toyota can help match Subaru’s boxer engine (operating in the Atkinson cycle) with Toyota’s planetary gearbox, electric motor with decent software controls. Subaru can improve overall performance at the same time reduce emissions and improve FC. It’s a win-win situation by partnering with Toyota. 
If Subaru decides to go it alone, then you’re right in having a negative view in Subaru’s future. Will see what develops as no car manufacturer can stand still on the treadmill of competition.  

[Fellows]

  On 2/12/2023 at 6:51 AM, steveting99 said:

Hi Freeder,

inlinesix is correct. Here are the numbers on how I came up with 50% of OMV.

Òpen Market Value (OMV) = $29,007.00

Additional Registration Fee (ARF) = $32,609.8

Excise Duty (20% of OMV) = $5,801.40

Goods and Services Tax (GST) =$2,784.67 [8% (includes OMV+Excise Duty) as of 2023]

Certificate of Entitlement (CoE) = $108,373.00 [Category B (car above 1600cc and 130bhp) as at Jan 2023]

Vehicle Emissions Scheme (VES) =  -$15,000.00[ Category B]

IU = $160.50

Registration fixed rate = $220.00
 

sub-Total = $163,956.37
Current sales price = $178,488.00
Dealer markup = $14,531.63
% Dealer markup based on OMV = 50.10%

Inchcape's (the parent company of Borneo Motors) margin for each Toyota Corolla Cross sold to the consumer appears high, but at least Inchcape is passing on some of the VES rebate to the consumer. When looking the Forester hybrid's margin earned by Motor Image, it's double that of Borneo Motors.   

Singapore is one of the few places in the world where dealers have such huge margins. Its a lucrative business for the likes of Tan Chong International that run the Nissan and Subaru franchises in Singapore.
 

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Wow, if true they mark about close to $14.5K, so actually they can priced it more competitive by selling it at $170K and still earn. But well Singapore is all about the money 

[13177]

  On 2/17/2023 at 12:55 AM, Fellows said:

Wow, if true they mark about close to $14.5K, so actually they can priced it more competitive by selling it at $170K and still earn. But well Singapore is all about the money 

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Maybe this is why when you buy a toyota, usually can get your coe since BM mark up so much and they confirm no problem securing coe for their customers.

[inlinesix]

  On 2/17/2023 at 12:55 AM, Fellows said:

Wow, if true they mark about close to $14.5K, so actually they can priced it more competitive by selling it at $170K and still earn. But well Singapore is all about the money 

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  On 2/17/2023 at 1:26 AM, 13177 said:

Maybe this is why when you buy a toyota, usually can get your coe since BM mark up so much and they confirm no problem securing coe for their customers.

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The amount is VES rebate.

[DOBIEMKZ]

For those who are considering the Toyota Corolla Cross, can also go check out and test-drive the new Nissan Qashqai.🙂

[Fellows]

Toyota Japan reveal a minor refresh to their Corolla Cross, changing out the 2.0 Hybrid to 1.8 Hybrid and upgrade it'd Hybrid system and Safely Sense. Only the low spec petrol variant still using 2.0L NA.

https://www.carscoops.com/2023/10/2024-toyota-corolla-cross-gets-new-engines-in-japan/

Edited October 21, 2023 by Fellows

[13177]

  On 10/21/2023 at 5:47 AM, Fellows said:

Toyota Japan reveal a minor refresh to their Corolla Cross, changing out the 2.0 Hybrid to 1.8 Hybrid and upgrade it'd Hybrid system and Safely Sense. Only the low spec petrol variant still using 2.0L NA.

https://www.carscoops.com/2023/10/2024-toyota-corolla-cross-gets-new-engines-in-japan/

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No affect the corolla cross in sg?

[Fellows]

  On 10/21/2023 at 7:01 AM, 13177 said:

No affect the corolla cross in sg?

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Don’t think so yet. Just launch in Japan only. I still feel Japan the front grill design nicer than our Asian version. 

[alpharome]

Any news if 1.8L.variant coming next year to take over the 2.0L, with. VES tightening? 

[Carbon82]

Facelift unveiled in Thailand. 

With HR Sport trim