COVID-19: Retrenchments

[Jamesc]

  On 7/18/2020 at 8:05 AM, Wind30 said:

You don’t sound like yourself.... since when you write a serious post?

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Aiyah my account kenna hacked.

13177 is right.

Mods faster find the culprit.

They are giving me a bad name.

  On 7/18/2020 at 8:07 AM, 13177 said:

Omg, his account must got hack! 😂

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[Voodooman]

  On 7/18/2020 at 6:54 AM, Yewheng said:

Good idea.. Ya thanks.. Can be further improved right? Like for example, no sale of alcohol at 10.30pm. Maybe temporarily remove this restriction? Or even better permanent remove? Let's give each other a chance. I know the past little India riot.. But let's take this opportunity for businesses to help in their survival even as smallest detail as possible like remove sale of alcohol restrictions at 10.30pm. Let business prove it can be done with no much impact in social issue or riot. 

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On one hand you want G to cut cost, on the other hand, you want G to allow retail to sell alcohol 24/7. You do know that there will be a social cost, right? You are privatizing profit and socializing cost. G will need to put more foot on the ground and it is paid by all of us.

Actually the main complaint of Heritage Foundation that is causing us points is labor regulations. FW quota, WP restrictions, etc. We are not as free as 10 years ago but we are still no 1 in terms of economic freedom. 

Edited July 18, 2020 by Voodooman

[Voodooman]

  On 7/18/2020 at 6:46 AM, Jamesc said:

If everyone delayed their haircuts by even say 1 week from normal means many barbers will be out of jobs because one person's spending is another person's income.

People that never studies economic wrongly think that is money is really.

Like a car is real or a house is real or a bar of gold is real.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Money is not real and has no value except as an IOU and if and only if someone actually wants to pay.

And this is why money can be precious and also worthless.

Like the Japanese banana money.

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Well said. 

[Philipkee]

  On 7/18/2020 at 8:01 AM, Jamesc said:

Hehe you promise the City sales lady you will buy huh?

She got give you any freebies or goodies to "sweeten" the deal or not?

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Err it's a he.   Dunno if this is better or worse..

[Philipkee]

  On 7/18/2020 at 8:21 AM, Jamesc said:

Aiyah my account kenna hacked.

13177 is right.

Mods faster find the culprit.

They are giving me a bad name.

 

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Must be your MIL.  Cos MILs know more about economy than anyone else in the house.

Cos when they are right, you say they are right.

And when they are wrong, you better say they are right also.

[Jamesc]

  On 7/18/2020 at 9:25 AM, Philipkee said:

Err it's a he.   Dunno if this is better or worse..

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Times are hard now and some of these salesman

will be so happy to even bend over forwards for you

if they "think" you are a genuine customer.

 

Edited July 18, 2020 by Jamesc

[Yewheng]

  On 7/18/2020 at 9:07 AM, Voodooman said:

On one hand you want G to cut cost, on the other hand, you want G to allow retail to sell alcohol 24/7. You do know that there will be a social cost, right? You are privatizing profit and socializing cost. G will need to put more foot on the ground and it is paid by all of us.

Actually the main complaint of Heritage Foundation that is causing us points is labor regulations. FW quota, WP restrictions, etc. We are not as free as 10 years ago but we are still no 1 in terms of economic freedom. 

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Let people decide what time they can go bar drink, let people decide what time they can go 7-11 buy alcohol also cannot? This one where got additional cost bare by business? In fact it maybe a relief for business that is bar or pub. 

[Philipkee]

  On 7/18/2020 at 10:10 AM, Yewheng said:

Let people decide what time they can go bar drink, let people decide what time they can go 7-11 buy alcohol also cannot? This one where got additional cost bare by business? In fact it maybe a relief for business that is bar or pub. 

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I see your point but having worked in emergency services where we deal with drunkards and add on to the fact that I dont really like alcohol, I will disagree with you.

But I see your point.  Just that I have personal reasons for disagreeing.

[Jamesc]

  On 7/18/2020 at 10:23 AM, yishunite said:

They also dont understand the concept of public goods.

Things like education, healthcare, infrastructure

Irony is American libertarians trying to preach their gospel ard the world when even in America no one listens to them and compare to rest of world their version cost more for worst results

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I come to realise there is nothing between his ears

but the mouth never stops working.

USA spend 20% of its GDP on health and UK only spends 11%.

But healthcare is free in UK and poor people don't get any heath care in the US. 

Diabetics need to use insulin. The medicine cost $38 in Canada but $329 in the US. That's like 10 times more for the same thing.

I think there is only one thing to do. Start buying shares in US drug companies.

Because people have no choice and will die if they don't buy it. I will be a wickedly rich person.

[Voodooman]

  On 7/18/2020 at 10:10 AM, Yewheng said:

Let people decide what time they can go bar drink, let people decide what time they can go 7-11 buy alcohol also cannot? This one where got additional cost bare by business? In fact it maybe a relief for business that is bar or pub. 

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What are the cost? More police on patrol during night shift?  More fights everywhere?  Taking resources away from serious crime to manage drunkards? 

I don't profess to know if a cost and benefit analysis have been done by G but there are always trade-offs.

If we take your argument to the extreme, then people should be allowed to buy heroin at 7-11 at any time of the day.  

Just sharing my view but it is time to stop. Have a good weekend. 

[Jamesc]

@Mustank heart me. Thank you for all your support. I heart you too. 

I just wish it was @BabyBlade who heart me also.

I am just kidding. I know she does.

[Jamesc]

  On 7/18/2020 at 10:23 AM, yishunite said:

They also dont understand the concept of public goods.

Things like education, healthcare, infrastructure

Irony is American libertarians trying to preach their gospel ard the world when even in America no one listens to them and compare to rest of world their version cost more for worst results

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I am sure he enjoys the benefits of gov spending

that he keep criticizing like a broken record 

that the gov spends too much.

  

[Yewheng]

  On 7/18/2020 at 10:46 AM, Voodooman said:

What are the cost? More police on patrol during night shift?  More fights everywhere?  Taking resources away from serious crime to manage drunkards? 

I don't profess to know if a cost and benefit analysis have been done by G but there are always trade-offs.

If we take your argument to the extreme, then people should be allowed to buy heroin at 7-11 at any time of the day.  

Just sharing my view but it is time to stop. Have a good weekend. 

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Good point.. Okay. But of coz no heroin la..

  On 7/18/2020 at 10:13 AM, Philipkee said:

I see your point but having worked in emergency services where we deal with drunkards and add on to the fact that I dont really like alcohol, I will disagree with you.

But I see your point.  Just that I have personal reasons for disagreeing.

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Okay.. Then too bad for pubs, clubs, coffeeshop.. For some these small little thing like if they could sell alcohol past 10.30pm might help them a lot and might be the one that is the decider whether to close shop or continue to operate. Well..

[Jamesc]

  On 7/18/2020 at 10:13 AM, Philipkee said:

I see your point but having worked in emergency services where we deal with drunkards and add on to the fact that I dont really like alcohol, I will disagree with you.

But I see your point.  Just that I have personal reasons for disagreeing.

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The alcohol ban during lockdown has resulted in fewer accidents and a reduction in A&E cases.

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The ban on alcohol sales has had an undeniable positive effect on road safety, and many are calling for more stringent regulation when the lockdown ends.

https://www.timeslive.co.za/motoring/features/2020-04-20-how-the-lockdown-alcohol-ban-has-improved-road-safety/

A leading consultant said the reduction in drug and alcohol-related admissions during lockdown.

A&E staff 'faced verbal abuse most nights' before lockdown.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/ae-staff-faced-verbal-abuse-18256874

In Colombia, Bogota’s mayor Claudia Lopez has restricted alcohol sales to one bottle per shopper, warning that the combination of heavy drinking and quarantine could create a domestic abuse “time bomb”.

Greenland has also banned alcohol sales in its capital Nuuk to reduce violence against children.

https://scroll.in/article/961208/covid-19-lockdown-will-indias-move-to-ease-alcohol-restrictions-fuel-domestic-abuse

 

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[Ho2786]

retrenchments are good

if they are no retrenchments

than I worry.

[Philipkee]

  On 7/18/2020 at 10:59 AM, Yewheng said:

Good point.. Okay. But of coz no heroin la..

Okay.. Then too bad for pubs, clubs, coffeeshop.. For some these small little thing like if they could sell alcohol past 10.30pm might help them a lot and might be the one that is the decider whether to close shop or continue to operate. Well..

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What if they dont sell beer but allow live screenings of soccer matches? Maybe they can put something to reduce noise from going outside (like thick curtains) and of cos everyone drinking coffee?  

[Yewheng]

  On 7/18/2020 at 11:31 AM, Philipkee said:

What if they dont sell beer but allow live screenings of soccer matches? Maybe they can put something to reduce noise from going outside (like thick curtains) and of cos everyone drinking coffee?  

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There are a lot of drinkers get turned off the need to stop drinking alcohol at the pub or coffeeshop at 10.30pm. I am sure quite a bit of business is lost because of that. Live screening of soccer match without beer? Common.. 

 

So well they will have to make do with what they have..

Edited July 18, 2020 by Yewheng

[Philipkee]

  On 7/18/2020 at 11:34 AM, Yewheng said:

There are a lot of drinkers get turned off the need to stop drinking alcohol at the pub or coffeeshop at 10.30pm. I am sure quite a bit of business is lost because of that. Live screening of soccer match without beer? Common.. 

 

So well they will have to make do with what they have..

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Goes to show I dont drink beer and dont watch soccer...