COVID-19: Retrenchments

[Leo72]

1 hour ago, ToyotaShuttle said:

Don't sign on the new contract. Resign and serve notice while working 5.5 days per week.

Even better, just continue on without resigning, wait till they fire you and then claim covid relief.

If he didn't sign on the new contract and still has the old contract, he can file a complaint to MOM as the company is in the wrong and cannot claim anything from him. Also did the contract state any notice period for resignation? Also according to labour law, one week is 44 working hours and beyond that the company need to pay him OT rate (additional hours that's above 44 hours for the week is consider OT).

[Roh96]

5 hours ago, Atonchia said:

He did worked a few days. 

Until HR told him must work Saturday full day. 

 

The only social worker/agencies they met were MINDS because the kid was autistic so went to the school previously. That's why also referred to the organisation I am volunteering for grocery deliveries. 

 

Think he was more concern the company going to chase him for the 2 weeks pay..in lieu of resignation notice. 

Just a suggestion, ask him to continue serve his resignation notice, and then every Saturday take MC. 

I heard now luggi best, go doctor straight away give 5 day MC. The company also LL.

[Atonchia]

54 minutes ago, Windwaver said:

On the other hand, I know of Pioneer and Merdeka workers still behaving like the company owes them a living even in this time.

Don't really understand what they thinking? Just because they work there for 30 years doesn't mean wouldn't be let go..........

 

Oh, I forgot, they good friend with big boss 

 

I agree some have sense of entitlement, while they can talk and walk with lots of weights. 

Those I mentioned are not long service award. All are eking a living. 

My AMTK junior just want to cut cost to invest into ecommerce where its seeing high growth because this peer is handling ecommerce too. 

So KPI will look good during performance review. 

 

54 minutes ago, Windwaver said:

On the other hand, I know of Pioneer and Merdeka workers still behaving like the company owes them a living even in this time.

Don't really understand what they thinking? Just because they work there for 30 years doesn't mean wouldn't be let go..........

 

Oh, I forgot, they good friend with big boss 

 

[Atonchia]

41 minutes ago, Leo72 said:

If he didn't sign on the new contract and still has the old contract, he can file a complaint to MOM as the company is in the wrong and cannot claim anything from him. Also did the contract state any notice period for resignation? Also according to labour law, one week is 44 working hours and beyond that the company need to pay him OT rate (additional hours that's above 44 hours for the week is consider OT).

He shown me his letter but I didn't read through all the details.

Only the portion of working hours. 

Thanks, will call him to follow up with MOM. 

[Ct3833]

PHV earningn$10k per month, i will go apply to become a Ryde drive on Monday morning, who want to have a MU?  

https://www.asiaone.com/digital/ryde-driver-earns-nearly-10k-after-working-every-single-day-august-2020?utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany

 

[Fcw75]

Have to drive like a dog.

Basically you drive, eat and sleep in the car. 

Edited September 26, 2020 by Fcw75

[Throttle2]

21 minutes ago, Ct3833 said:

PHV earningn$10k per month, i will go apply to become a Ryde drive on Monday morning, who want to have a MU?  

https://www.asiaone.com/digital/ryde-driver-earns-nearly-10k-after-working-every-single-day-august-2020?utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany

 

Maybe i should consider too.  

[Wind30]

6 hours ago, Ct3833 said:

PHV earningn$10k per month, i will go apply to become a Ryde drive on Monday morning, who want to have a MU?  

https://www.asiaone.com/digital/ryde-driver-earns-nearly-10k-after-working-every-single-day-august-2020?utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=addtoany

 

Is this legal?? Isn’t there a limit of how often you can drive?? Mom sleeping again. 100+ pickups a day I don’t think it is safe for the driver and other people on the roads.

[Yewheng]

On 9/24/2020 at 8:44 AM, Volvobrick said:

Yeah, more foreigners, more Customs Immigration staff, more MOM staff to check on them, more police to patrol, more prosecutors to deal with the law breaking ones, and more staff for the politicians to write reasons why foreigners create jobs for us! 

Talking about more mom staff to check on them. Now we are facing a big issue that I am afraid that our politicians / society and more might focus too much on certain issues. Because of that, they might overlooked on other aspect which is just as important or maybe even way more important. 

 

Let me quote an example. Remember the social distancing thingy.. Government want to limit number of people into malls and also want malls to check on people for temperatures and also safe entry. So the focus is purely on that, so at the beginning what did most of the malls do? They end up close up many entrance and only left maybe 1 or 2 or 3 entry points. Some malls that time worst, go lock up the many exits so as to prevent people from coming in due to they only want to have say 1, 2 or 3 entry and exit points. That create fire hazard, I did point out here in forum early that it is a fire hazard, and some of here even say for the safety of the people due to virus so perhaps it's a trade off. It is only until recently that when someone wrote to straits time forum and then finally scdf realised that hey fire safety is very important too. 

 

So you guys see, why didn't politicians at the beginning say hey for those restuarent, malls and etc, when you guys want to limit entry, please don’t forget that must also not overlook on other safety aspect. (I mean not just fire hazard, it can be other safety aspect too). No their main focus is to limit the number of people to contain the virus. In fact majority of the people also like that. So now with covid-19 situation (although the situation now is a lot better in Singapore as compared to few months ago), I am only afraid that government might do things that they felt it is important and overally focus on that certain aspect of issues that might neglect on things that are as important or more important but get blindsided due to as of current it does not happen and get left out or sort off. 

 

Another example, law minister recently come out and say something about want to have more of gender equality about women and tasked 3 women mp to be in charge as they are women so they are best suited for this. In my mind, I am thinking, what if say these 3 women mps too overly focus on they want more equality for women and then get blindsided by other thing that is as important? Why not include 1 male to mix with female to be in charge of this? Coz male and female thinking mightbe different, yes it is about gender equality and more for women, but then let's say this male was looking at certain things and realised that hey this direction is way too bias towards female, at least there is a male mp to point out to female mp about the blindspot and vice versa. 

 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/podcasts/heart-of-the-matter/sexual-offences-gender-workplace-women-quotas-ns-shanmugam-13140428?cid=FBcna

 

I am really afraid that we are slowly moving towards this kind of direction where government might focus too much on certain aspect and start to neglect on other aspect that is also as important and this might be very damaging to our society. It might not show immediately, but in long run the effects can be seen and or felt. 

Edited September 26, 2020 by Yewheng

[Spurman]

16 hours ago, Atonchia said:

I just went for my monthly grocery ration delivery. 

One family with Autistic child and one young toddler. Wife working in nearby retail.

Hubby need to take care of kids. He found job as delivery man and signed on letter of acceptance. Stating as 5.5 days. However after starting HR told him there is a mistake need to change to 6 days. Reprinted new letter of acceptance to replace the original and wanted him to tear away the original. 

He needed to be home at Saturday afternoon to take care of kids while wife go afternoon shift. 

So he said cannot work on Saturday afternoon and need to resign. Now the company chasing him for 2 weeks compensation from him bcos he only work 5 days in lieu of notice. 

I told him to check with MOM.. He said hotline cannot get through.. 

Then I suggested him to look for MP ask for help to stop the company on chasing him of the 2 week compensation. 

 

 

Keep the employment letter.

Go to mp asap. Which district is he under.

 

Can i help chip in by writing his plight to some mp. Let them work to help in on this unfair practice.

 

 

[Sdf4786k]

12 hours ago, Throttle2 said:

I disagree , bro.

Retrenchment should not be a question of conscience.  It just has to be done with respect and equitably.

Some people have to go so that some people can stay.  And ultimately the business can tide through. Thats all.

This means that someone retrenched may still be reemployed when things get back.

A true Leader must make difficult decisions and execute them as well.

Walking away becos he has no heart to do it, isnt the way, not for me at least.

Been there , done that on both sides of the fence.

The emotional roller coaster of firing someone who has a kidney condition is never a nice feeling. Firing someone who just had a new infant of 1 month is also not a nice feeling. But I understand from a transactional relationship, who cares. While I feel that a animal kingdom exists and in reality it sort of reflects how we co exist, the memory of what has been performed as a ritual will cause pain that can never be express.

sure , it just a job to clean the environment. And we are not actually like killing innocent people in a mass Holocaust. But in reality you have to live with the burden of firing someone. Yet there are evidence that by reducing the ceo pay or getting rid of a whole continent of inefficient people would probably be a better option that to tighten a tap with one or two drips where the financial leak is like a waterfall. 
 

but yes I get it.. do as you told to evolve. But it’s just an opinion to some. To others it’s a guilt trip.

Edited September 27, 2020 by Sdf4786k

[Scion]

no need to be too loyal to the company, especially US MNCs which typically like the "fire and hire" policy

gone were the days of working in one same company for entire career life

i remember former CEO of HP Mark Hurd got himself a massive US40m bonus in 2006 or 07 (things were damn bullish then)

then crisis struck in 08/09 and he ruthlessly laid off so many HP employees that they (the USA ones) created a website to hoot him

needless to say, Singapore side also many tio pok (including me 😥)

anyway he died last year (guess many people will rejoice over it)... what's the use of so much money?

[Ct3833]

3 hours ago, Wind30 said:

Is this legal?? Isn’t there a limit of how often you can drive?? Mom sleeping again. 100+ pickups a day I don’t think it is safe for the driver and other people on the roads.

723 pick up is per month,  that works out to be about 24 pick up a day or average 2.4 per hour . It does not sound like a lot but the 10 hours is long if he drives without breaks everyday.  I dont know if there is rules to protect the driver and passengers. 

[Windwaver]

10 hours ago, Atonchia said:

I agree some have sense of entitlement, while they can talk and walk with lots of weights. 

Those I mentioned are not long service award. All are eking a living. 

My AMTK junior just want to cut cost to invest into ecommerce where its seeing high growth because this peer is handling ecommerce too. 

So KPI will look good during performance review. 

 

I agree with what you said to begin with. What I was trying to bring across is the true nature of homo sapiens.

Regardless of age/race/gender, etc, thousands of years of evolution didn't change the need to be in a social pack (and be recognized).

It's not wrong to be working in a team but it is detrimental once anybody starts having personal agendas. Even if the current team doesn't, it'll spread like wildfire once it's allowed to.

Unfortunately, that is reality; in modern fast paced society, everybody has a personal agenda that isn't team driven. I did mention about the worsening distrust on ground level due to the massive non-core work force some time back.

I've tried for many years and in different companies to be a good team member as well to build and retain good teams. I came close in a tiny fraction of occasion but most of the time, people are just either selfish (personal agenda) or distrust each other too much.

People can call me loner/anti-social/etc but it doesn't matter because just like an endless loop, a bad programmer can never perform a good root cause analysis and still blame others for it.

Yes, it is hard to let people go and it's equally hard to build a good team. After so many decades, I've given up on people. I just go to work and deliver what I'm supposed to, avoid stupid politics and spend real quality time with my family.

 

[Philipkee]

3 hours ago, Wind30 said:

Is this legal?? Isn’t there a limit of how often you can drive?? Mom sleeping again. 100+ pickups a day I don’t think it is safe for the driver and other people on the roads.

Its probably not illegal.  It might be illegal if the PHV driver is employed by the company and made to drive this number of hours but AFAIK PHV drivers are their own bosses.  So it's not illegal.

Otherwise taxi companies will be in trouble because they never mandate that while they charge rents based on 24 hours day, the taxi can only be on the road for 12 hrs if it's one driver or 16 hours if there are two drivers.

[Yewheng]

28 minutes ago, Ct3833 said:

723 pick up is per month,  that works out to be about 24 pick up a day or average 2.4 per hour . It does not sound like a lot but the 10 hours is long if he drives without breaks everyday.  I dont know if there is rules to protect the driver and passengers. 

The thing is Ryde company has bad reputation of anyhow suspending drivers and then asking them to pay a fee in order to get unsuspended. Also Ryde did makan these drivers money. There are a lot of complaints in phv Facebook page on Ryde. 

 

This make me thinking, does Ryde ceo know about all these issue? If he knows, then why he never take any action to rectify it? My thinking is that someone working under him that Ryde ceo trust more then those driver complaint? And this employee go syphon the money? Or simply ryde ceo do that because of cash flow problems? In anyway authorities should look at Ryde on many drivers complaints and look at whether is there any fraud case involved. 

Edited September 27, 2020 by Yewheng

[Spurman]

18 hours ago, Atonchia said:

I just went for my monthly grocery ration delivery. 

One family with Autistic child and one young toddler. Wife working in nearby retail.

Hubby need to take care of kids. He found job as delivery man and signed on letter of acceptance. Stating as 5.5 days. However after starting HR told him there is a mistake need to change to 6 days. Reprinted new letter of acceptance to replace the original and wanted him to tear away the original. 

He needed to be home at Saturday afternoon to take care of kids while wife go afternoon shift. 

So he said cannot work on Saturday afternoon and need to resign. Now the company chasing him for 2 weeks compensation from him bcos he only work 5 days in lieu of notice. 

I told him to check with MOM.. He said hotline cannot get through.. 

Then I suggested him to look for MP ask for help to stop the company on chasing him of the 2 week compensation. 

 

 

Hi broo.

 

I shared this with mp edward chia. Suggest go to mp immediately.  Btw edward is mp for zhenghua.  Not sure where your friend stays.

Zhenghua's meet people session is at blk 532 jelapang.

 

Hope this helps. Bring it om

[Spurman]

19 minutes ago, Yewheng said:

The thing is Ryde company has bad reputation of anyhow suspending drivers and then asking them to pay a fee in order to get unsuspended. Also Ryde did makan these drivers money. There are a lot of complaints in phv Facebook page on Ryde. 

 

This make me thinking, does Ryde ceo know about all these issue? If he knows, then why he never take any action to rectify it? My thinking is that someone working under him that Ryde ceo trust more then those driver complaint? And this employee go syphon the money? Or simply ryde ceo do that because of cash flow problems? In anyway authorities should look at Ryde on many drivers complaints and look at whether is there any fraud case involved. 

Genuine case. Wondering if theres form of misappropiating these monies. Lawfully or not. Whether these fines are lawful or not.

 

Paying monies to get reinstatement sounds like a mafia job. .

 

Can this be brought up to mp too?