15 least reliable cars

[Jamesc]

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Toyota Wish 1.8A Sunroof (COE till 04/2022) $13,500 04-Apr-2007    445,000 km

Toyota Wish 1.8A (COE till 08/2022) $15,000 13-Sep-2007    426,000 km

Mercedes-Benz E200ML (COE till 03/2024) $21,000 27-Nov-2000  424,060 km

Toyota Corolla 1.3M (COE till 04/2029) $32,000 14-Sep-1992 1,332 cc  400,000 km

Toyota Corolla Axio 1.5A X (COE till 01/2024) 15-Jan-2009 1,496 cc  388,000 km

Honda Airwave 1.5A (COE till 03/2021) $6,500 09-Mar-2006 1,496 cc  384,000 km

Subaru Impreza WRX 2.5M (COE till 11/2027) $56,000 03-Nov-2007   356,100 km

Suzuki Swift 1.5A (COE till 01/2029) $28,998 08-Jan-2009  315,883 km

Suzuki SX4 1.6A (COE till 11/2024)$15,998 15-Dec-2009 312,993 km

Honda Freed 1.5A (COE till 04/2024 $28,998 28-May-2009 311,523 km

Toyota Corona 1.6M GLI (COE till 04/2024) $16,000  05-Jan-1993  310,000 km

Kia Cerato Forte Koup 1.6A SX Sunroof (COE till 09/2024) $26,998 15-Jul-2010  308,322 km

BMW 7 Series 730Li (COE till 03/2029) $42,800 05-Dec-1989  300,000 km

Suzuki SX4 1.6A (COE till 07/2028) $34,900 10-Jul-2008 300,000 km

Toyota Vios 1.5A E (COE till 10/2021) $11,000 26-Oct-2006 299,000 km

Honda Accord Euro R 2.0M (COE till 09/2027) $64,888 11-Sep-2007  299,000 km

Toyota Sienta 1.5A (COE till 03/2022) $10,998 30-Mar-2007 297,221 km

Mercedes-Benz CLK-Class CLK230ML (COE till 01/2029) $65,000 27-Jul-1999 292,000 km

Mercedes-Benz C-Class C200 (COE till 03/2028) $48,800 06-Mar-1998  290,598 km

Hyundai Avante 1.6A S (COE till 05/2029) $35,000 26-May-2009 287,000 km

Mitsubishi Lancer 1.6A GLX (COE till 03/2028) $43,800 28-Mar-2008  280,000 km

Honda Civic 1.6A VTi (COE till 06/2022) $14,900 25-Jun-2007  280,000 km

Hyundai Avante 1.6A S (COE till 12/2023) $19,500 31-Dec-2008 280,000 km

Mercedes-Benz E-Class E200K (COE till 09/2029) $66,000 18-Sep-2009  280,000 km

Mercedes-Benz 200E (COE till 03/2029) $40,000 11-Dec-1991  275,000 km

Toyota Corolla Altis 1.6A (COE till 07/2022) $13,500 02-Jul-2007  275,000 km

Honda Civic 1.8A VTI (COE till 05/2027) $42,500 12-Jul-2007 268,000 km

I am really surprised to see the Suzuki Swift and SX 4 there.

The other cars are known to be able to take high milage.

The Suzies are known to be city run arounds and not mile eaters.

Not really surprising list.

Toyota, Mercedes and Honda well represented.

And other makes just one representative. Outliers. 

Edited May 9, 2020 by Jamesc

[TeamAMG69]

4 hours ago, Thaiyotakamli said:

Conti cars are designed for autobahn, their tech hence are more advanced than japanese cars. However higher tech lead to more problems. Just like smartphone it can get hang easily unlike nokia last time wont die or spoil easily like todays smartphone. 

also conti cars are more suitable for winter. Theres a reason why peugeot last time has a very poor reliability in sg. Peugeot said that recently newer peugeot cars are designed and setting set to suit tropical countries. Hence Nowadays peugeot cars will have less issue with overheating compared to last time. 
 

The overheating has led to many different issues like electronic failure and even lead to aircon not cold. Thats why u realise japanese cars aircon more cold than conti cars lol

 

this saying about conti cars made for europe is very old skool thinking

then how about conti cars in Middle East or Oz dessert, or Africa? 

i dont think their weather is any better than SG.

nowsday, the more popular brands & models are tested across diff temp & terrain, etc

most even claim to have 1million miles (KM) of testing (real world roads & computer)

MB have only 3 yrs of warranty (but it is still number 1 conti seller in SG) while BMW / AUDI have much more years, with warranty on GB & Engine. (if really so much problem, the AD workshop will be full and pack)

whether a car really have so much problem, you just see number of COE cars on the roads - that alone will be your answer

which car has resale and demand - your SE will give u the trade in value (whether he want to take in or not) , hearsay, some brand / models so bad, they rather you sell on your own.

 

 

Edited May 9, 2020 by TeamAMG69

[Volvobrick]

4 hours ago, inlinesix said:

Where are F02 DME located? Same as old Merc you mentioned?
I thought Harrier also got CVT problem.

I am not sure whether summer in temperate country or our start/stop traffic is harsher.

Why people think our tropical climate is harsher? Cars here don't have to deal with minus 20 degrees cold start, road salt, 40 degree summer, high autobahn speed, long distance travel etc.  Here day in day out is 24 - 33 degree. 

Conti cars are just poorly manufactured or engineered or have lousy parts (like cheap plastic in hot engine bay) compared to Jipun (for same specs).

[Thaiyotakamli]

1 hour ago, TeamAMG69 said:

this saying about conti cars made for europe is very old skool thinking

then how about conti cars in Middle East or Oz dessert, or Africa? 

i dont think their weather is any better than SG.

nowsday, the more popular brands & models are tested across diff temp & terrain, etc

most even claim to have 1million miles (KM) of testing (real world roads & computer)

MB have only 3 yrs of warranty (but it is still number 1 conti seller in SG) while BMW / AUDI have much more years, with warranty on GB & Engine. (if really so much problem, the AD workshop will be full and pack)

whether a car really have so much problem, you just see number of COE cars on the roads - that alone will be your answer

which car has resale and demand - your SE will give u the trade in value (whether he want to take in or not) , hearsay, some brand / models so bad, they rather you sell on your own.

 

 

Thats why in middle east they use landcruiser for sand dunes not GLS or X5 or RR. That says alot about reliability of conti. Those who own conti cars in middle east has many cars to drive in their garage. 
 

Merc remains number one best conti in sg because ppl buy merc for image. If ppl choose reliability they will buy toyota, its a no brainer decision. Ever hear nice and expensive things don’t last? U see Hermes bag, audemars piguet etc requires more expensive servicing and care as compared to average bag or watches
 

And yes agree to ur statement, just see the renewed coe cars, mostly are toyota and honda. Hardly audi or bmw renewed. Merc probably better conti out there in term of reliability but also see which model. Those GL or R or S class better don’t renew
 

and any car in sg will not have resale value. I drove popular merc and toyota before, AD will still go and lowball me. 

 

 

[Thaiyotakamli]

1 hour ago, Volvobrick said:

Why people think our tropical climate is harsher? Cars here don't have to deal with minus 20 degrees cold start, road salt, 40 degree summer, high autobahn speed, long distance travel etc.  Here day in day out is 24 - 33 degree. 

Conti cars are just poorly manufactured or engineered or have lousy parts (like cheap plastic in hot engine bay) compared to Jipun (for same specs).

Jipun engine bay also use plastic but since jipun car more suitable for tropical countries they last longer, as the engine operate at lower temp

[Thaiyotakamli]

7 hours ago, Volvobrick said:

Personal experience says Japs > Swedes > Germans > Italians (exclude Lancia). 

Hearsay will add British and French to the Italians. 

I hear alot horror stories on volvo s60, s80 and xc90 though. 
 

i would say

 

japs > korean > german > swedes> brits > french > italian

 

 

Not sure about proton😂

[Pocus]

22 hours ago, inlinesix said:

What are the issues? is 

I drive my MIni really hard.

Can't remember, a host of electrical issues that effect the engine. Could be an older model than yours. But he bought new and it's a few years ago.

[Pocus]

21 hours ago, Brass said:

No love for Mitsubishi, but they cant be that unreliable.

Agricultural they may be, but they should be reasonably durable, since their engines use old technology.

If they spoil like nobody's business, no one will buy the Attrage no matter how cheap it is.

For #10, keeping my fingers crossed. Nothing has failed yet at the 3 year mark. MI sucks.

Invecs CVT is the main issue with Mitsubishi cars. No they wont spoil in the first 5 years, but after that good luck. Air con issues and radiator issues are common for Lancers 

[Pocus]

20 hours ago, Thaiyotakamli said:

Simply because conti has more electronic hence resulting in more electronic issues

 

engine also producing more horsepower than average japanese cars, operating at higher temperature leading to early failure of components in engine bay. 

That's a pausible cause..

[inlinesix]

12 hours ago, Ct3833 said:

That explains,  even when a car is not driven , just being parked there also can break down 😅😅

It was not park there la.

My wife is driving it daily short distance 

[Pocus]

20 hours ago, Thaiyotakamli said:

I believe none of ur friends and family drive jaguar or Land rover

 

i believe these two brand sure in top 5

 

 

You know I was thinking about ford and volvo based on my friends experience but the rest had more complaints. So they will be in the top 15.

No data for jaguar and landrover..

[Pocus]

20 hours ago, Lala81 said:

Subaru? I'm quite surprised. I always thought Subaru had a good reliability index.

I think out of the big 3 germans, Merc should be the most reliable. My own layperson opinion (who's never owned any of them). Haha but my friends who drive these, mostly drive BMW haha

I thought too, that why I bought the forester. Then i know....lol

[inlinesix]

8 hours ago, Volvobrick said:

Why people think our tropical climate is harsher? Cars here don't have to deal with minus 20 degrees cold start, road salt, 40 degree summer, high autobahn speed, long distance travel etc.  Here day in day out is 24 - 33 degree. 

Conti cars are just poorly manufactured or engineered or have lousy parts (like cheap plastic in hot engine bay) compared to Jipun (for same specs).

Are you sure Jap plastic parts will last in German car?
German car operating temperature of 100 deg.

Whereby Jap car operating temperature of 80 deg.

 

[Pocus]

17 hours ago, khosasi said:

a lot of my friends said subaru is not worth. is that true ?

Reliability aside, I never regret buying a subaru. It's a damn good drive and I enjoy every journey on the wheel. It's worth it you look past the value. 

[Pocus]

15 hours ago, Vinceng said:

@Pocus

You missed out Volvo, Peugeot, Ford, Jaguar, Alfa, Maserati, Geely, Hafei, Chana.

No data for some.

[Pocus]

12 hours ago, Nav14 said:

I own 2 of the 10 listed makes (No 6 and 10) and all i will say is that this is utter rubbish. No issues with my E250 and Outback. And i have owned various makes over the past 30 years .

Good on you. Your Mitsubishi giving you good experience. My colt is good for the first 4 to 5 years,  after that even my "lower quality" Suzuki more reliable. 

Maybe E class good, my boss complain his C class until sian. Another of my fren also complain her CLA. I all tiagong only.

Edited May 10, 2020 by Pocus

[Mkl22]

Actually not really true that conti run at 100 and Japanese at 80. My lousy Suzuki has the radiator fan temp cut in and out same as the merc I used to have. 

[Volvobrick]

29 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

Are you sure Jap plastic parts will last in German car?
German car operating temperature of 100 deg.

Whereby Jap car operating temperature of 80 deg.

 

I don't know if Jipun plastic can last in a conti engine bay. But if conti engine indeed runs hotter, then they should use plastic that can tahan the heat, if no such plastic, then they should use more expensive metal parts. The parts must be spec'ed to the working environment.