Carbon82 Moderator April 23, 2020 Share April 23, 2020 Urban life presents particular challenges. When it comes to driving, it's an environment where motorists increasingly appreciate the robust, high-riding qualities of an SUV, but on a scale tailored to suit urban streets and with a genuine emphasis on environmental performance. At the same time, drivers want a vehicle that's distinctive and stylish, and which has all the flexibility they need for an active lifestyle. These are exactly the qualities Toyota has instilled in the all-new Toyota Yaris Cross. The new Toyota Yaris Cross has been designed and developed for Europe, specifically to meet the requirements and preferences of the region's B-SUV market. It will be made in Europe too, at Toyota Motor Manufacturing France (TMMF), alongside the new generation Yaris hatchback, from 2021. True hybrid, true SUV The new Yaris Cross draws on Toyota's strong heritage of advanced hybrid technology, small car design and SUV engineering. Toyota's world leadership in hybrid vehicle technology includes the first use of a hybrid system in a B-segment car with the original Yaris Hybrid in 2012. The unmatched experience it has gained ensures that Toyota Yaris Cross's new fourth generation hybrid powertrain delivers exceptional performance and efficiency. As a member of the Yaris family, Yaris Cross is constructed on Toyota's new GA-B compact car platform. It also shares the "big-small" design and packaging concept that characterised the original Yaris, and presents a roomy interior within compact exterior dimensions. Toyota Yaris Cross is also a genuine SUV, benefiting from Toyota's experience in originating the concept of the recreational SUV 25 years ago with the RAV4 - today the world's best-selling SUV - and more recently in producing the stylish and highly efficient C-HR. A raised ride height and the availability of AWD-i intelligent all-wheel drive reinforce its authentic SUV credentials. Adding Yaris Cross to the line-up will give Toyota an SUV range that spans the B, C and D segments. New hybrid powertrain Yaris Cross benefits from Toyota's fourth generation hybrid technology. Toyota successfully pioneered the use of full hybrid technology in B-segment cars with the introduction of the first Yaris Hybrid hatchback in 2012. Since then, more than half a million have been sold in Europe, making it a powerful tool in building public awareness and appreciation of the technology. The Yaris and Yaris Cross are the first models to use Toyota's latest 1.5 hybrid system, developed directly from the larger 2.0 and 2.5-litre powertrains used by recent new models such as the Corolla, C-HR, RAV4 and Camry. This features a new 1.5-litre, three-cylinder Atkinson-cycle petrol engine, precision-engineered to reduce friction and mechanical losses and optimise combustion speed. The result is high torque at low engine speeds and excellent fuel efficiency. The engine's thermal efficiency is rated at 40%, which is greater than comparable diesel engines and ensures strong fuel economy and low CO2 emissions. The new hybrid system has a maximum output of 116 DIN hp. Special attention has been given to power delivery, making the system very responsive to drive. In terms of emissions efficiency, the front-wheel drive model starts from below 90 g/km CO2 and the AWD-i version from below 100 g/km. Toyota GA-B platform Toyota Yaris Cross follows its sibling hatchback model in adopting Toyota's new GA-B vehicle platform. This ensures a high level of body rigidity and a well-balanced chassis, making the car responsive and agile. All urban. All SUV With the Yaris Cross, Toyota has produced an authentic SUV on a smaller scale, giving customers the higher driving position, practicality and interior spaciousness, they desire in a car with compact dimensions that make it well-suited to urban driving. The design evokes the classic qualities of SUVs, with a higher body and larger wheels/tyres communicating strength and purpose. Toyota Yaris Cross has the same 2,560 mm wheelbase as the new Yaris hatchback, but is 240 mm longer overall, with 60 mm added to the front overhang and 180 mm to the rear, securing more interior space. The ground clearance is 30 mm higher and the vehicle is taller and wider overall - by 90 and 20 mm respectively. Practical and Versatile Being a true SUV, special attention has been given to practicality and versatility. There's a power back door for when your hands are full. And an adjustable deck height to give the flexibility of either a secure underfloor compartment or increased trunk space for larger loads. In addition, the deck board itself can be split in two, giving customers both increased space and an underfloor storage area. The trunk is also equipped with a new flex belt system to secure items and stop them shifting during driving. Yaris Cross is just as spacious as it is practical. With all seats up and tonneau cover in place it delivers a large trunk volume. However, if more load capacity is needed, then there's a 40:20:40 foldable rear seat system to balance rear passenger space with cargo needs. Intelligent all-wheel drive One of the features that defines the new Toyota Yaris Cross as an authentic SUV is the availability of an intelligent all-wheel drive system - a unique feature in its class for a hybrid model. AWD-i provides extra stability and traction in everyday driving, in poor conditions and on low-grip surfaces. An electric system, it is more compact and weighs less than mechanical AWD units, helping the Yaris Cross Hybrid AWD-i achieve lower fuel consumption and CO2 emissions than any of its all-wheel drive B-SUV competitors. The system directs drive torque to the rear axle when pulling away and when accelerating. In normal driving, the Toyota Yaris Cross operates with front-wheel drive, but when low-grip conditions are detected, all-wheel drive is engaged automatically. This can be, for example, on wet cobblestones, in heavy rain, on wet or packed snow, or on sand. Advanced Driver Assistance System The foundation of the new Yaris Cross's safety performance is its GA-B platform, giving the car an exceptionally rigid body. With the intention of meeting the highest and most rigorous independent test standards, it will further benefit from Toyota Safety Sense active safety systems and advanced driver assistance functions, helping to avoid a wide range of common accident risks through driver information, early warnings and, when necessary, automatic braking and steering intervention. Design The design process of Toyota Yaris Cross brought together a wide team from studios in both Europe and Japan. To describe their ideas and inspiration in more detail, please find below the words of one member of the team - Lance Scott, Design General Manager at Toyota's EDD studio in Nice, France. "When we started this process, we understood that whilst style is the number one purchase reason in the B-SUV segment, customers were also keen to have a high level of practicality. Not easy things to reconcile, especially in a compact package. From the very beginnings of the design concept, we had the European customer in mind, but needed to understand more about them. So we went out and interviewed real customers to understand their lifestyle, what they liked, what their daily activities were and how they enjoyed themselves. After an enjoyable and enlightening process, we came back enthusiastic to design a car that would mirror their personality and deliver a vibrant combination of being both sophisticated and energetic. As a team, we came up with the key words 'Robust' and 'Minimalistic', which we felt would express both compactness and agility, as well as the robustness and strength of an SUV. When we started to sketch ideas for the exterior, the iconic image of a diamond consistently came to mind. Subsequently we coined the phrase 'nimble diamond' to express the hard, strong and premium image of the gemstone combined with the agile and fun to drive personality we felt the car needed to convey. From the top view, or plan view as we call it, we 'cut', or 'shaved' the body to give us a diamond shape that allowed us the space to emphasise the fenders. This diamond body shape combined with the 4 bold fenders gave us an energetic shape which was both strong and sophisticated. Clearly, we want the car to be immediately perceived as a SUV, so we emphasised a higher ground clearance, a strong horizontal axis giving a great balance and poise, big squared wheel arches and of course big wheels ... up to 18"! The face was also a very important aspect for us. We wanted to keep the strong DNA of Toyota's SUV line-up but at the same time give Yaris Cross an identity of its own. At the rear, we again focused on giving the car a good stance with the wide fenders illustrating how it looks planted on its wheels. Combining the horizontal rear tail lamps and rear screen clearly shows family identity with Yaris, yet the wider and more squared tailgate hints at the luggage space's larger flexibility for daily usage. For the exterior colour, we started to think about something that could express an active and high-quality image that our target customers would really appreciate. Looking at future colour trends we can see that there is a growing tendency for gold and other precious metals, but we wanted to offer something a bit more natural and urban. Adding a subtle hint of green to the gold direction, whilst also de-saturating the colour to emphasis the metal like appearance, gave us this fresh urban yet active appeal that highlighted the surface form of the exterior. The final result is a colour we call Brass Gold" Toyota expects to produce more than 150,000 Yaris Cross a year at the TMMF Onnaing factory, near Valenciennes in France, and achieve a B-SUV segment share of more than 8%. ↡ Advertisement 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Moderator April 24, 2020 Share April 24, 2020 This would be an ideal car for local usage as it combines SUV like capabilities in urban settings. Unfortunately, unless it is priced competitively ie below $90k? (since it's a hybrid) it might not move and with AD Borneo always having high OMV cars, I fear the worst. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobayashiGT Internal Moderator April 24, 2020 Share April 24, 2020 8 hours ago, Carbon82 said: Urban life presents particular challenges. When it comes to driving, it's an environment where motorists increasingly appreciate the robust, high-riding qualities of an SUV, but on a scale tailored to suit urban streets and with a genuine emphasis on environmental performance. At the same time, drivers want a vehicle that's distinctive and stylish, and which has all the flexibility they need for an active lifestyle. These are exactly the qualities Toyota has instilled in the all-new Toyota Yaris Cross. The new Toyota Yaris Cross has been designed and developed for Europe, specifically to meet the requirements and preferences of the region's B-SUV market. It will be made in Europe too, at Toyota Motor Manufacturing France (TMMF), alongside the new generation Yaris hatchback, from 2021. True hybrid, true SUV The new Yaris Cross draws on Toyota's strong heritage of advanced hybrid technology, small car design and SUV engineering. Toyota's world leadership in hybrid vehicle technology includes the first use of a hybrid system in a B-segment car with the original Yaris Hybrid in 2012. The unmatched experience it has gained ensures that Toyota Yaris Cross's new fourth generation hybrid powertrain delivers exceptional performance and efficiency. As a member of the Yaris family, Yaris Cross is constructed on Toyota's new GA-B compact car platform. It also shares the "big-small" design and packaging concept that characterised the original Yaris, and presents a roomy interior within compact exterior dimensions. Toyota Yaris Cross is also a genuine SUV, benefiting from Toyota's experience in originating the concept of the recreational SUV 25 years ago with the RAV4 - today the world's best-selling SUV - and more recently in producing the stylish and highly efficient C-HR. A raised ride height and the availability of AWD-i intelligent all-wheel drive reinforce its authentic SUV credentials. Adding Yaris Cross to the line-up will give Toyota an SUV range that spans the B, C and D segments. New hybrid powertrain Yaris Cross benefits from Toyota's fourth generation hybrid technology. Toyota successfully pioneered the use of full hybrid technology in B-segment cars with the introduction of the first Yaris Hybrid hatchback in 2012. Since then, more than half a million have been sold in Europe, making it a powerful tool in building public awareness and appreciation of the technology. The Yaris and Yaris Cross are the first models to use Toyota's latest 1.5 hybrid system, developed directly from the larger 2.0 and 2.5-litre powertrains used by recent new models such as the Corolla, C-HR, RAV4 and Camry. This features a new 1.5-litre, three-cylinder Atkinson-cycle petrol engine, precision-engineered to reduce friction and mechanical losses and optimise combustion speed. The result is high torque at low engine speeds and excellent fuel efficiency. The engine's thermal efficiency is rated at 40%, which is greater than comparable diesel engines and ensures strong fuel economy and low CO2 emissions. The new hybrid system has a maximum output of 116 DIN hp. Special attention has been given to power delivery, making the system very responsive to drive. In terms of emissions efficiency, the front-wheel drive model starts from below 90 g/km CO2 and the AWD-i version from below 100 g/km. Toyota GA-B platform Toyota Yaris Cross follows its sibling hatchback model in adopting Toyota's new GA-B vehicle platform. This ensures a high level of body rigidity and a well-balanced chassis, making the car responsive and agile. All urban. All SUV With the Yaris Cross, Toyota has produced an authentic SUV on a smaller scale, giving customers the higher driving position, practicality and interior spaciousness, they desire in a car with compact dimensions that make it well-suited to urban driving. The design evokes the classic qualities of SUVs, with a higher body and larger wheels/tyres communicating strength and purpose. Toyota Yaris Cross has the same 2,560 mm wheelbase as the new Yaris hatchback, but is 240 mm longer overall, with 60 mm added to the front overhang and 180 mm to the rear, securing more interior space. The ground clearance is 30 mm higher and the vehicle is taller and wider overall - by 90 and 20 mm respectively. Practical and Versatile Being a true SUV, special attention has been given to practicality and versatility. There's a power back door for when your hands are full. And an adjustable deck height to give the flexibility of either a secure underfloor compartment or increased trunk space for larger loads. In addition, the deck board itself can be split in two, giving customers both increased space and an underfloor storage area. The trunk is also equipped with a new flex belt system to secure items and stop them shifting during driving. Yaris Cross is just as spacious as it is practical. With all seats up and tonneau cover in place it delivers a large trunk volume. However, if more load capacity is needed, then there's a 40:20:40 foldable rear seat system to balance rear passenger space with cargo needs. Intelligent all-wheel drive One of the features that defines the new Toyota Yaris Cross as an authentic SUV is the availability of an intelligent all-wheel drive system - a unique feature in its class for a hybrid model. AWD-i provides extra stability and traction in everyday driving, in poor conditions and on low-grip surfaces. An electric system, it is more compact and weighs less than mechanical AWD units, helping the Yaris Cross Hybrid AWD-i achieve lower fuel consumption and CO2 emissions than any of its all-wheel drive B-SUV competitors. The system directs drive torque to the rear axle when pulling away and when accelerating. In normal driving, the Toyota Yaris Cross operates with front-wheel drive, but when low-grip conditions are detected, all-wheel drive is engaged automatically. This can be, for example, on wet cobblestones, in heavy rain, on wet or packed snow, or on sand. Advanced Driver Assistance System The foundation of the new Yaris Cross's safety performance is its GA-B platform, giving the car an exceptionally rigid body. With the intention of meeting the highest and most rigorous independent test standards, it will further benefit from Toyota Safety Sense active safety systems and advanced driver assistance functions, helping to avoid a wide range of common accident risks through driver information, early warnings and, when necessary, automatic braking and steering intervention. Design The design process of Toyota Yaris Cross brought together a wide team from studios in both Europe and Japan. To describe their ideas and inspiration in more detail, please find below the words of one member of the team - Lance Scott, Design General Manager at Toyota's EDD studio in Nice, France. "When we started this process, we understood that whilst style is the number one purchase reason in the B-SUV segment, customers were also keen to have a high level of practicality. Not easy things to reconcile, especially in a compact package. From the very beginnings of the design concept, we had the European customer in mind, but needed to understand more about them. So we went out and interviewed real customers to understand their lifestyle, what they liked, what their daily activities were and how they enjoyed themselves. After an enjoyable and enlightening process, we came back enthusiastic to design a car that would mirror their personality and deliver a vibrant combination of being both sophisticated and energetic. As a team, we came up with the key words 'Robust' and 'Minimalistic', which we felt would express both compactness and agility, as well as the robustness and strength of an SUV. When we started to sketch ideas for the exterior, the iconic image of a diamond consistently came to mind. Subsequently we coined the phrase 'nimble diamond' to express the hard, strong and premium image of the gemstone combined with the agile and fun to drive personality we felt the car needed to convey. From the top view, or plan view as we call it, we 'cut', or 'shaved' the body to give us a diamond shape that allowed us the space to emphasise the fenders. This diamond body shape combined with the 4 bold fenders gave us an energetic shape which was both strong and sophisticated. Clearly, we want the car to be immediately perceived as a SUV, so we emphasised a higher ground clearance, a strong horizontal axis giving a great balance and poise, big squared wheel arches and of course big wheels ... up to 18"! The face was also a very important aspect for us. We wanted to keep the strong DNA of Toyota's SUV line-up but at the same time give Yaris Cross an identity of its own. At the rear, we again focused on giving the car a good stance with the wide fenders illustrating how it looks planted on its wheels. Combining the horizontal rear tail lamps and rear screen clearly shows family identity with Yaris, yet the wider and more squared tailgate hints at the luggage space's larger flexibility for daily usage. For the exterior colour, we started to think about something that could express an active and high-quality image that our target customers would really appreciate. Looking at future colour trends we can see that there is a growing tendency for gold and other precious metals, but we wanted to offer something a bit more natural and urban. Adding a subtle hint of green to the gold direction, whilst also de-saturating the colour to emphasis the metal like appearance, gave us this fresh urban yet active appeal that highlighted the surface form of the exterior. The final result is a colour we call Brass Gold" Toyota expects to produce more than 150,000 Yaris Cross a year at the TMMF Onnaing factory, near Valenciennes in France, and achieve a B-SUV segment share of more than 8%. They got raize liao, still wanna do more SUV? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Hypersonic April 24, 2020 Share April 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, kobayashiGT said: They got raize liao, still wanna do more SUV? Raize is not sold in Europe. Yaris Cross will be sold in Europe. It is btw Raize and CH-R. Raize is Daihatsu more than Toyota. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobayashiGT Internal Moderator April 24, 2020 Share April 24, 2020 16 minutes ago, inlinesix said: Raize is not sold in Europe. Yaris Cross will be sold in Europe. It is btw Raize and CH-R. Raize is Daihatsu more than Toyota. OIC! thanks! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybrids 2nd Gear April 24, 2020 Share April 24, 2020 Finally a cost effective alternative to the UX. And hopefully with at least some performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Hypersonic April 24, 2020 Share April 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Hybrids said: Finally a cost effective alternative to the UX. And hopefully with at least some performance. UX alternative has always been C-HR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toeknee_33 Turbocharged April 25, 2020 Share April 25, 2020 21 hours ago, khosasi said: looks like they build to fight with cx3 and hrv 20 hours ago, Hybrids said: Finally a cost effective alternative to the UX. And hopefully with at least some performance. It's a superman-based crossover, meant to do battle in Europe against similar sized cars like VW T-Rock, Nissan Juke, Renault Captur, Peugeot 2008, Ford Puma etc. It's smaller than the HRV. In the Asian context, it competes against the CX-3, Kia Sets, Hyundai Venue etc. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toeknee_33 Turbocharged April 25, 2020 Share April 25, 2020 (edited) 22 hours ago, khosasi said: Repeat Post, paiseh. It's Seltos, not sets, btw. 22 hours ago, Hybrids said: Edited April 25, 2020 by Toeknee_33 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sukmanisari Clutched April 26, 2020 Share April 26, 2020 wow great job, i'll wait for that yaris hope the price is affordable tho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oktaviatan Clutched April 27, 2020 Share April 27, 2020 woww that's a really cool car, hopefully when the car releases my savings it's enough to buy it 😂 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobayashiGT Internal Moderator April 27, 2020 Share April 27, 2020 1 hour ago, oktaviatan said: woww that's a really cool car, hopefully when the car releases my savings it's enough to buy it 😂 BBBMTL! 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbon82 Moderator May 19, 2020 Author Share May 19, 2020 An even smaller Lexus Crossover?! What is your take? Absurd or plausible? Toyota Yaris Cross Rumored To Spawn Lexus BX Version In 2023 Not long after Lexus debuted its UX crossover in 2018, the automaker said it had no plans to offer a vehicle under $30,000. One could interpret that to mean Lexus wouldn’t offer anything smaller than the UX, but a new rumor floating through the internet suggests otherwise. Could an entry-level Lexus BX slotting beneath the UX be in the works? If that’s indeed the case, a Lexus BX wouldn’t be an all-new creation. It would be based on the recently revealed Toyota Yaris Cross, a small crossover tied to Toyota’s Euro-spec Yaris subcompact. There are no photos showing how this upscale mini-machine might look, but it would almost certainly adopt the Lexus spindle grille while adding a bit more chrome where the Yaris Cross has either black or body-colored trim. It’s also possible the BX could trade off some ground clearance for a sportier on-road stance. The rumors further suggest the BX would use the hybrid powertrain pulled directly from the Yaris Cross. It features a 1.5-liter engine paired to an electric motor, generating a combined 116 horsepower (87 kilowatts). It’s possible an F Sport edition could be offered that would add all-wheel-drive to the mix, but there’s no mention of increased power. To maintain the F Sport image, one would assume something greater than 116 hp would be under the hood. This is certainly a curious rumor considering Lexus previously said it had no interest in offering something under the $30,000 mark. That statement was rooted in the automaker’s North American operations, however. The Yaris Cross will only be offered in Euro and Asian markets, and with the BX allegedly based on the tiny crossover, it would almost certainly remain in those areas. As for price, Toyota hasn’t released figures for the Yaris Cross but it should start well under that $30,000 mark – approximately €27,800. That means the BX could conceivably start under that figure as well. If the rumors are true, we could see the Lexus BX in 2023. 6 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobayashiGT Internal Moderator May 19, 2020 Share May 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, Carbon82 said: An even smaller Lexus Crossover?! What is your take? Absurd or plausible? Toyota Yaris Cross Rumored To Spawn Lexus BX Version In 2023 Not long after Lexus debuted its UX crossover in 2018, the automaker said it had no plans to offer a vehicle under $30,000. One could interpret that to mean Lexus wouldn’t offer anything smaller than the UX, but a new rumor floating through the internet suggests otherwise. Could an entry-level Lexus BX slotting beneath the UX be in the works? If that’s indeed the case, a Lexus BX wouldn’t be an all-new creation. It would be based on the recently revealed Toyota Yaris Cross, a small crossover tied to Toyota’s Euro-spec Yaris subcompact. There are no photos showing how this upscale mini-machine might look, but it would almost certainly adopt the Lexus spindle grille while adding a bit more chrome where the Yaris Cross has either black or body-colored trim. It’s also possible the BX could trade off some ground clearance for a sportier on-road stance. The rumors further suggest the BX would use the hybrid powertrain pulled directly from the Yaris Cross. It features a 1.5-liter engine paired to an electric motor, generating a combined 116 horsepower (87 kilowatts). It’s possible an F Sport edition could be offered that would add all-wheel-drive to the mix, but there’s no mention of increased power. To maintain the F Sport image, one would assume something greater than 116 hp would be under the hood. This is certainly a curious rumor considering Lexus previously said it had no interest in offering something under the $30,000 mark. That statement was rooted in the automaker’s North American operations, however. The Yaris Cross will only be offered in Euro and Asian markets, and with the BX allegedly based on the tiny crossover, it would almost certainly remain in those areas. As for price, Toyota hasn’t released figures for the Yaris Cross but it should start well under that $30,000 mark – approximately €27,800. That means the BX could conceivably start under that figure as well. If the rumors are true, we could see the Lexus BX in 2023. STILL CAN GO SMALLER THAN UX? hahahhahahah. Behind can sit anot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Hypersonic May 19, 2020 Share May 19, 2020 (edited) 54 minutes ago, kobayashiGT said: STILL CAN GO SMALLER THAN UX? hahahhahahah. Behind can sit anot. Still bigger than Raize Edited May 19, 2020 by inlinesix 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlinesix Hypersonic May 19, 2020 Share May 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, mikk123 said: agree. Raize is too small for family. Depends on family size. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbon82 Moderator May 19, 2020 Author Share May 19, 2020 4 hours ago, kobayashiGT said: STILL CAN GO SMALLER THAN UX? hahahhahahah. Behind can sit anot. If we run through the crossover model among Mercedes, BMW, Audi and even Volvo, only Audi has a similar size crossover to the Yaris Cross (rumored Lexus BX). To put things in perspective, Audi Q3, BMW X1, Mercedes GLA, Lexus UX & Volvo XC40 are in one category with an external dimensions of 4.4+m (L) x 1.8+m (W) x 1.5+ to 1.6+m (H). Audi Q2 on the other hand has a smaller dimensions, similar to Yaris Cross, at 4.1+m (L) x 1.7+m (W) x 1.5+m (H). Other crossover with similar dimensions include but not limited to Seat Arona, Peugeot 2008, Citroen C3 Aircross, etc. While it make no sense to me for Lexus to move into the later category given the generally smaller budget of such compact crossover buyer, but if Lexus can leverage on the R&D and production cost of Yaris Cross AND willing to price it lower (closer to the other models), the possibility is still there. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roh96 6th Gear May 19, 2020 Share May 19, 2020 Can Lexus launch a small cuv that is cheaper than say Rav4, CX-5, CX-30 equivalent? Otherwise, i doubt the product will sell well. ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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