COVID-19: Beijing's Coronavirus cases rise

[BabyBlade]

So I just read these two articles consecutively. Very reassuring lol.  One wrong move, and there goes the whole of China all over again.

ST: Despite official figures, Wuhan continues to find new asymptomatic coronavirus cases daily

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/despite-official-figures-wuhan-continues-to-find-new-asymptomatic-coronavirus-cases?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=STFB&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2zuDoEfkCBbQWkN5vNLkOy_G0SmzFAiEaWILxFA7G44OexYRFN2uE_a38#Echobox=1585025147

CNA: COVID-19: China to lift travel curbs on Hubei province, including Wuhan

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/china-coovid19-coronavirus-lift-travel-curbs-hubei-wuhan-12570658?cid=FBcna

Here's the two articles:

ST: Despite official figures, Wuhan continues to find new asymptomatic coronavirus cases daily

BEIJING (CAIXIN GLOBAL) - Despite official figures reporting few to no new domestic Covid-19 cases on the Chinese mainland in recent days, authorities continue to detect more infections, with those in the city at the heart of the country's outbreak often amounting to more than a dozen a day, Caixin has learned.

According to a member of the infectious disease prevention and control team in Wuhan, every day the city continues to record "several or more than a dozen asymptomatic infected individuals", which are people that have tested positive for Covid-19, but do not feel ill and are excluded from published numbers.

As of Sunday (March 22), Hubei province, where Wuhan is located, had four consecutive days of zero new "confirmed cases."

The person, who asked not to be named, said that these asymptomatic people are found by tracing the contacts of others who are infected and by screening quarantine workers who are at high risk of infection, as opposed to en masse testing.

"It's not possible at the moment to tell if transmission has stopped," the person said.

As reported new locally transmitted cases of Covid-19 have dwindled, China has moved to send home the teams of medical personnel it brought in from across the country to assist hospital workers in Hubei. Between March 17 and 20, some 12,000 medical personnel departed the province.

But the infectious disease prevention and control team has stayed behind, after Hubei's provincial Covid-19 task force on Friday ordered it to remain until central authorities say otherwise, Caixin has learned.

According to a person at the Chinese Centre for Disease Control and Prevention, this team of specialists was kept in Hubei because the central government continues to feel unease about the situation in the area, in part because of the presence of asymptomatic individuals.

Since February, the Covid-19 prevention and control policies issued by the National Health Commission (NHC) have stipulated that asymptomatic infected individuals are not considered "confirmed cases" and that their numbers should not be released.

However, given numerous studies suggesting that this group is infectious, the NHC has required that, once detected, they be subject to a 14-day quarantine and lab testing, recategorising them as "confirmed" cases only in the event they develop symptoms.

Caixin previously obtained data that showed Northeast China's Heilongjiang province had 480 "confirmed cases" on Feb 25, but had also discovered 104 asymptomatic infected individuals that it left off the public tally.

A March 6 preprint - a study that has not yet been peer-reviewed - by Chinese and American researchers suggested that asymptomatic cases and those with mild symptoms could account for at least 59 per cent of Covid-19 infections, potentially undetected and fuelling its spread.

Considering Wuhan is the epicentre of China's epidemic, "there's still a lot that needs to be investigated and traced", the infectious disease prevention and control team member said.

 

CNA: COVID-19: China to lift travel curbs on Hubei province, including Wuhan

BEIJING: China's central Hubei province, where the deadly coronavirus first emerged late last year, is to lift travel curbs after two months under lockdown, local officials said on Tuesday (Mar 24).

Healthy residents will be allowed to leave the province from midnight Tuesday.

Travel restrictions for leaving Wuhan will be lifted on Apr 8, and people will be able to leave on the basis of using a health code

The announcement as China reported 78 new cases of the deadly coronavirus on Tuesday, with the vast majority brought in from overseas as fears rise of a second wave of infections.

The first new case in nearly a week was also reported in Wuhan - the epicentre where the virus emerged last year - along with three other local infections elsewhere in the country.

Seven more people died, the National Health Commission said, all in Wuhan.

There have now been more than 81,000 cases in China, and the death toll has reached 3,277.

As the country tries to control imported cases, there are signs of normality beginning to return to Wuhan and the surrounding Hubei province.

Travel and work restrictions in the province have been gradually eased and Chinese President Xi Jinping made his first visit to Wuhan earlier this month.

Wuhan residents considered healthy can now move around the city and take public transport if they show identification, and they can also go back to work if they have a permit from their employer.

[inlinesix]

[Jman888]

no diff, anyone dare to go? 

[Hydrocarbon]

Some men just want to watch the world burn.. - Alfred.

Jokes aside, the seemingly sudden taper off of cases in China doesn't fill me with confidence.

[BabyBlade]

3 minutes ago, Jman888 said:

no diff, anyone dare to go? 

Not so much about people going there or them leaving the country (if they're allowed to) since most countries still have existing travel ban against China. It wasn't easy for them to push the numbers down low. If something goes wrong, I'm not sure if they're able to contain the spread across China and not just one province. And now we all know how countries around the world can be affected just alone by China being down. They're the factory of the world. Not sure we want that to continue.

[BabyBlade]

6 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

Translation?

[Jman888]

4 minutes ago, BabyBlade said:

Not so much about people going there or them leaving the country (if they're allowed to) since most countries still have existing travel ban against China. It wasn't easy for them to push the numbers down low. If something goes wrong, I'm not sure if they're able to contain the spread across China and not just one province. And now we all know how countries around the world can be affected just alone by China being down. They're the factory of the world. Not sure we want that to continue.

i think china need to obtain visa to enter another country, also now almost the whole world is locking down their border, no one will let them in even when the pandemic has slow down. 

[inlinesix]

3 minutes ago, BabyBlade said:

Translation?

Whether situation in China turn out to be better

Only need to look at 1 indicator

When will NK open its border with China

Global Epidemiologist I only believe in

KIM JONG UN

[BabyBlade]

1 minute ago, Jman888 said:

i think china need to obtain visa to enter another country, also now almost the whole world is locking down their border, no one will let them in even when the pandemic has slow down. 

Yeap as I mentioned the concern is not about them leaving the country as most countries have ban in place. It's about the transmission within their cities.

[Strat]

Maybe they have vaccine ready to roll out in Apr.... 

[Kangadrool]

In relative terms, China is now safer than most AMDK countries. 😊

[BabyBlade]

4 minutes ago, Kangadrool said:

In relative terms, China is now safer than most AMDK countries. 😊

Maybe that's what they want you to see. 

[pChou]

2 hours ago, BabyBlade said:

So I just read these two articles consecutively. Very reassuring lol.  One wrong move, and there goes the whole of China all over again.

ST: Despite official figures, Wuhan continues to find new asymptomatic coronavirus cases daily

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/despite-official-figures-wuhan-continues-to-find-new-asymptomatic-coronavirus-cases?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=STFB&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2zuDoEfkCBbQWkN5vNLkOy_G0SmzFAiEaWILxFA7G44OexYRFN2uE_a38#Echobox=1585025147

CNA: COVID-19: China to lift travel curbs on Hubei province, including Wuhan

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/china-coovid19-coronavirus-lift-travel-curbs-hubei-wuhan-12570658?cid=FBcna

Here's the two articles:

ST: Despite official figures, Wuhan continues to find new asymptomatic coronavirus cases daily

BEIJING (CAIXIN GLOBAL) - Despite official figures reporting few to no new domestic Covid-19 cases on the Chinese mainland in recent days, authorities continue to detect more infections, with those in the city at the heart of the country's outbreak often amounting to more than a dozen a day, Caixin has learned.

According to a member of the infectious disease prevention and control team in Wuhan, every day the city continues to record "several or more than a dozen asymptomatic infected individuals", which are people that have tested positive for Covid-19, but do not feel ill and are excluded from published numbers.

As of Sunday (March 22), Hubei province, where Wuhan is located, had four consecutive days of zero new "confirmed cases."

The person, who asked not to be named, said that these asymptomatic people are found by tracing the contacts of others who are infected and by screening quarantine workers who are at high risk of infection, as opposed to en masse testing.

"It's not possible at the moment to tell if transmission has stopped," the person said.

As reported new locally transmitted cases of Covid-19 have dwindled, China has moved to send home the teams of medical personnel it brought in from across the country to assist hospital workers in Hubei. Between March 17 and 20, some 12,000 medical personnel departed the province.

But the infectious disease prevention and control team has stayed behind, after Hubei's provincial Covid-19 task force on Friday ordered it to remain until central authorities say otherwise, Caixin has learned.

According to a person at the Chinese Centre for Disease Control and Prevention, this team of specialists was kept in Hubei because the central government continues to feel unease about the situation in the area, in part because of the presence of asymptomatic individuals.

Since February, the Covid-19 prevention and control policies issued by the National Health Commission (NHC) have stipulated that asymptomatic infected individuals are not considered "confirmed cases" and that their numbers should not be released.

However, given numerous studies suggesting that this group is infectious, the NHC has required that, once detected, they be subject to a 14-day quarantine and lab testing, recategorising them as "confirmed" cases only in the event they develop symptoms.

Caixin previously obtained data that showed Northeast China's Heilongjiang province had 480 "confirmed cases" on Feb 25, but had also discovered 104 asymptomatic infected individuals that it left off the public tally.

A March 6 preprint - a study that has not yet been peer-reviewed - by Chinese and American researchers suggested that asymptomatic cases and those with mild symptoms could account for at least 59 per cent of Covid-19 infections, potentially undetected and fuelling its spread.

Considering Wuhan is the epicentre of China's epidemic, "there's still a lot that needs to be investigated and traced", the infectious disease prevention and control team member said.

 

CNA: COVID-19: China to lift travel curbs on Hubei province, including Wuhan

BEIJING: China's central Hubei province, where the deadly coronavirus first emerged late last year, is to lift travel curbs after two months under lockdown, local officials said on Tuesday (Mar 24).

Healthy residents will be allowed to leave the province from midnight Tuesday.

Travel restrictions for leaving Wuhan will be lifted on Apr 8, and people will be able to leave on the basis of using a health code

The announcement as China reported 78 new cases of the deadly coronavirus on Tuesday, with the vast majority brought in from overseas as fears rise of a second wave of infections.

The first new case in nearly a week was also reported in Wuhan - the epicentre where the virus emerged last year - along with three other local infections elsewhere in the country.

Seven more people died, the National Health Commission said, all in Wuhan.

There have now been more than 81,000 cases in China, and the death toll has reached 3,277.

As the country tries to control imported cases, there are signs of normality beginning to return to Wuhan and the surrounding Hubei province.

Travel and work restrictions in the province have been gradually eased and Chinese President Xi Jinping made his first visit to Wuhan earlier this month.

Wuhan residents considered healthy can now move around the city and take public transport if they show identification, and they can also go back to work if they have a permit from their employer.

i wonder on the day of the lifting up the restriction, will people still stay at home or they will rush to come out... 

maybe i'll be those that wait and see..

[1fast1]

2 hours ago, Jman888 said:

no diff, anyone dare to go? 

Not about going, but our open legs and open own backside gahmen may not resist reopening borders to China early. So it does matter. 

[kobayashiGT]

I think the reasons to lift up the travel ban for hubei will be for the whole world to see.

- To gain respect and from other countries. (nobody have close and reopens the border yet, they will be the first) (First to show how to do it, first to have a system for it) 

- To boost china economic, they are bleeding every day. So to stop the bleeding, they need to do smth.

It is definitely a huge gamble for them. Every wrong step, it will cause their reputation to be from bad to worse. I think the CCP already have gone through every scenario for this le.

[pChou]

Just now, kobayashiGT said:

I think the reasons to lift up the travel ban for hubei will be for the whole world to see.

- To gain respect and from other countries. (nobody have close and reopens the border yet, they will be the first) (First to show how to do it, first to have a system for it) 

- To boost china economic, they are bleeding every day. So to stop the bleeding, they need to do smth.

It is definitely a huge gamble for them. Every wrong step, it will cause their reputation to be from bad to worse. I think the CCP already have gone through every scenario for this le.

what is CCP?

[kobayashiGT]

Just now, pChou said:

what is CCP?

Chinese Communist Party. haha. 

[BabyBlade]

34 minutes ago, kobayashiGT said:

I think the reasons to lift up the travel ban for hubei will be for the whole world to see.

- To gain respect and from other countries. (nobody have close and reopens the border yet, they will be the first) (First to show how to do it, first to have a system for it) 

- To boost china economic, they are bleeding every day. So to stop the bleeding, they need to do smth.

It is definitely a huge gamble for them. Every wrong step, it will cause their reputation to be from bad to worse. I think the CCP already have gone through every scenario for this le.

The reasons are obvious why China would wanna lift the restrictions soonest, but the real question is should they? By concealing the true number of infections? If indeed asymptomatic infected individuals are excluded from their daily case count then I think there's only one way down where all this is going. An asymptomatic individual may not be sick  but they are still able to spread the virus. That's an invisible threat right there. Unthinkable what they're trying to achieve.