2021 Hyundai Elantra / Avante (CN7)

[Ahtea]

10 hours ago, Heartbreakid said:

I never like chrome or glossy piece in the interior because when the sunlight hits, these pieces will become glaring and make driving irritating.

Yes, it acts like a mirror.

[Heartbreakid]

5 hours ago, Rickster said:

If Hyundai can come up with some TC lineups for the Elantra, I'm sure it'll sell even better.

I think for the vast majority of car buyers in SG, torque coming in at low RPM is what they are looking for.

For cars with low torque and high BHP, they will need to drive their car >4000 RPM most of the time to feel the power. One example, i believe would be comparing a VW Mk7 Golf 1.4 vs a 2016 Hyndai Elantra 1.6.

On paper, both kerb weight is similar and the Elantra's BHP is slightly higher than the VW, but when u drive in local traffic, the VW seems to be significantly more power and responsive than the Elantra despite having a BHP deficit. Of course, one can say its because of the DSG gearbox, but i think the significantly higher torque figures of the Golf does make a difference.

Hyundai does have turbo charged Elantras in 1.4 litre (in US) and 1.6 litre form but it is our market that is still very much have acceptance to Japanese ride. If it is selling near to the pricing of Civic Turbo, still people will go for Civic.

 

[Rickster]

1 hour ago, Heartbreakid said:

Hyundai does have turbo charged Elantras in 1.4 litre (in US) and 1.6 litre form but it is our market that is still very much have acceptance to Japanese ride. If it is selling near to the pricing of Civic Turbo, still people will go for Civic. 

 

Japanese cars has over the past few decades built up a solid reputation.

Not that Korean cars are inferior in terms of durability or safety. In fact, I find Korean cars generally better in terms of aesthetics and features vs their direct Japanese competitors....But it's the reputation associated with Japanese cars that is hard to beat. 

Perhaps, things will change 10 more years down the road.

 

[Heartbreakid]

11 minutes ago, Rickster said:

Japanese cars has over the past few decades built up a solid reputation.

Not that Korean cars are inferior in terms of durability or safety. In fact, I find Korean cars generally better in terms of aesthetics and features vs their direct Japanese competitors....But it's the reputation associated with Jap anese cars that is hard to beat. 

Perhaps, things will change 10 more years down the road.

 

Agree that the reputation on the Japs but in the past years, they have also seemingly taking advantage by selling us high price with low features rides. And I think only asean countries buyers have such perspectives. In US, they have already change their perspective on Korean made cars.

Edited April 18, 2020 by Heartbreakid

[Rickster]

58 minutes ago, Heartbreakid said:

Agree that the reputation on the Japs but in the past years, they have also seemingly taking advantage by selling us high price with low features rides. And I think only asean countries buyers have such perspectives. In US, they have already change their perspective on Korean made cars.

Really, that would be nice if its really the case. From my understanding of the US markets, both Hyundai and Kia combined sales in 2019 barely beat Nissan, let alone Honda & Toyota. Also, neither Hyundai nor Kia beat Subaru... perhaps, 2020 would paint a different picture.

 

 

[therock]

20 hours ago, Rickster said:

If Hyundai can come up with some TC lineups for the Elantra, I'm sure it'll sell even better.

I think for the vast majority of car buyers in SG, torque coming in at low RPM is what they are looking for.

For cars with low torque and high BHP, they will need to drive their car >4000 RPM most of the time to feel the power. One example, i believe would be comparing a VW Mk7 Golf 1.4 vs a 2016 Hyndai Elantra 1.6.

On paper, both kerb weight is similar and the Elantra's BHP is slightly higher than the VW, but when u drive in local traffic, the VW seems to be significantly more power and responsive than the Elantra despite having a BHP deficit. Of course, one can say its because of the DSG gearbox, but i think the significantly higher torque figures of the Golf does make a difference.

IMO, if the price of the Elantra goes up by 5k, half the buyers will go elsewhere. So there's no chance for a turbo. 

The cheapest turbo will be the i30 which is at least 10k more. And it sells a lot less, even though the interior is nice and the power is good.

 

[kelaihoyin]

53 minutes ago, therock said:

IMO, if the price of the Elantra goes up by 5k, half the buyers will go elsewhere. So there's no chance for a turbo. 

The cheapest turbo will be the i30 which is at least 10k more. And it sells a lot less, even though the interior is nice and the power is good.

 

True u loss some but also gain some I guess.

I would have gone for the Elantra (not the current ugly facelift)/Cerato if not for its powertrain. 

If is still as feature packed and 5k more for that turbo I would think is worth it. 

[Spring]

On ‎4‎/‎18‎/‎2020 at 12:49 AM, Dannnn said:

yes i always see ppl saying 0-100.

but lets ask around, how many really do 0-100 in their car? asked a few most nv do bef, worried wear and tear.

myself own car 2.5yrs, did 2 times for testing thats all.

so to me driving feel and torque more impt.

Totally agree. Some buyers even look at hp besides the 0-100. Don't see how these 2 numbers help in our congested roads. Torque is the all important thing to look out for our local conditions.

[Spring]

On ‎4‎/‎17‎/‎2020 at 11:45 AM, Rickster said:

I used to drive a 1.6 turbo and then switched over to a diesel 2 years ago. Love the low-mid range torque. Never looked back, especially for city driving 😁 

 

Almost same for me. Mine was 1.6NA to diesel.

U r right, nvr looked back but unfortunately no more diesel for next change as passenger diesels not many models left.

[Heartbreakid]

A write out review of the Avante CN7 in Korea

From other gathered reviews, I come to know that the bootlid skin of this new Avante is molded out of plastic due to its complex shapes, but has steel structures behind.

Quite disappointed part:

1) all four door armrests are made out of hard plastic instead of being padded like current or past Avante/ Elantra models.

2) The panels gap seemingly bigger than current and noted some misalignment of panels as well, maybe is pre-production models.

Other than that, the space within seems to be a class leader against Corolla and Civic.

Edited April 22, 2020 by Heartbreakid

[Carbon82]

Elantra N Line

 

N Line refers to sportier versions of existing Hyundai models that are a step below full-bore N models such as the Veloster N, which incidentally has received an 8-speed dual-clutch transmission for 2020.

Hyundai has never built N Line version of the Elantra sedan before, but it currently sells an Elantra GT N Line hatchback, and that car's mechanicals featured in the previous Elantra Sport. Thus, the upcoming Elantra N Line essentially replaces the old Elantra Sport.

The Elantra Sport came with a 1.6-liter turbocharged inline-4 that made 201 horsepower and 195 pound-feet of torque. The engine was coupled to a 7-speed dual-clutch automatic transmission and was briefly offered with a 6-speed manual as an alternative.

The Elantra Sport also featured subtle exterior and interior styling changes, as well as upgraded brakes and suspension. The biggest change was a switch to independent multilink rear suspension, in place of the torsion beams used on lesser variants.

Expect the upcoming Elantra N Line to follow a similar pattern, with a model-specific powertrain and some suspension upgrades, but remaining a step below the Veloster N in Hyundai's model hierarchy.

 

[kelaihoyin]

3 hours ago, Carbon82 said:

Elantra N Line

 

N Line refers to sportier versions of existing Hyundai models that are a step below full-bore N models such as the Veloster N, which incidentally has received an 8-speed dual-clutch transmission for 2020.

Hyundai has never built N Line version of the Elantra sedan before, but it currently sells an Elantra GT N Line hatchback, and that car's mechanicals featured in the previous Elantra Sport. Thus, the upcoming Elantra N Line essentially replaces the old Elantra Sport.

The Elantra Sport came with a 1.6-liter turbocharged inline-4 that made 201 horsepower and 195 pound-feet of torque. The engine was coupled to a 7-speed dual-clutch automatic transmission and was briefly offered with a 6-speed manual as an alternative.

The Elantra Sport also featured subtle exterior and interior styling changes, as well as upgraded brakes and suspension. The biggest change was a switch to independent multilink rear suspension, in place of the torsion beams used on lesser variants.

Expect the upcoming Elantra N Line to follow a similar pattern, with a model-specific powertrain and some suspension upgrades, but remaining a step below the Veloster N in Hyundai's model hierarchy.

 

A good competitor to the Civic 1.5T if you ask me. Hope KM bring this in. Anything from 100k - 110k I would think is reasonable.😁

[Ahtea]

1 hour ago, kelaihoyin said:

A good competitor to the Civic 1.5T if you ask me. Hope KM bring this in. Anything from 100k - 110k I would think is reasonable.😁

Yea, potential Civic killer.

[Brass]

On 4/29/2020 at 5:00 PM, Ahtea said:

Yea, potential Civic killer.

But if people dont even consider other Jap cars other than T & H, they wouldnt even consider this.

[Spurman]

1 hour ago, Brass said:

But if people dont even consider other Jap cars other than T & H, they wouldnt even consider this.

Actually if u had tried the i3p turbo. U may not wan2 get a na engine anymore.

I support avante fit in the 1.4turbo anytime n bring it to our shore. At least an option. Fight civic turbo head on

[EddieTan_144369]

On 4/18/2020 at 9:27 PM, Rickster said:

Japanese cars has over the past few decades built up a solid reputation.

Not that Korean cars are inferior in terms of durability or safety. In fact, I find Korean cars generally better in terms of aesthetics and features vs their direct Japanese competitors....But it's the reputation associated with Japanese cars that is hard to beat. 

Perhaps, things will change 10 more years down the road.

 

I see more improvement in Korean manufacture than Japanese. For me, I'll prefer manufacturer that constantly try to improve both in design and engine and I'm seeing that in Korean car.  I'm also seeing the same improvement in German manufacturer. For me, it will be either German or Korean car. 

[teomingern]

On 4/18/2020 at 8:50 AM, Heartbreakid said:

I never like chrome or glossy piece in the interior because when the sunlight hits, these pieces will become glaring and make driving irritating.

Exactly, and can be downright dangerous... that plastic piece on the left of the gauge cluster is a real design boo-boo... I wonder if it is there for some gauge or meter when they launch the N-line version...

[teomingern]

On 4/29/2020 at 3:42 PM, kelaihoyin said:

A good competitor to the Civic 1.5T if you ask me. Hope KM bring this in. Anything from 100k - 110k I would think is reasonable.😁

What would the engine be? The same 1.6L turbo? Making 201 hp? That engine only made it to the Tucson but in a detuned form at 175 hp...