Hreidi17 1st Gear September 16, 2020 Share September 16, 2020 Recently have been reading articles about Hyundai. In fact recent years it has rated one of the highest reliability in the world. ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teomingern 6th Gear September 16, 2020 Share September 16, 2020 6 hours ago, Kar_lover said: I guess to be fair none of the other cars in this price bracket has the "virtual cockpit". Of course in the advertisement they show the top "halo" model. And again, to be fair, these advertisement are unlikely to be produced by the local AD and is probably material given by the manufacturer. They have international brochures which show everything... and local brochures which are probably not ready yet... waiting to coincide with official launch I think... the local brochures are the ones to get... when new model comes in, it always international brochures first... so take what you see with a large dose of salt... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickster 5th Gear September 16, 2020 Share September 16, 2020 5 hours ago, Hreidi17 said: Recently have been reading articles about Hyundai. In fact recent years it has rated one of the highest reliability in the world. Take it with a pinch of salt for survey and articles from overseas. Everyone of them, I guarantee u, results very different, even if they are published around the same time. That is not to say that Hyundai are not reliable in anyway. My first car was a Kia rio back in 2006.. it was a problem free ride even after 5 years with over 100K mileage when i sold it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickster 5th Gear September 16, 2020 Share September 16, 2020 6 hours ago, Kar_lover said: I guess to be fair none of the other cars in this price bracket has the "virtual cockpit". Of course in the advertisement they show the top "halo" model. And again, to be fair, these advertisement are unlikely to be produced by the local AD and is probably material given by the manufacturer. Lets see what the local AD brings in.. hopefully the virtual cockpit is there. But again, id rather have nice analog dials if the virtual cockpit software is bare basic. Mazda owners are already facing problems with their digital cluster display, I guess LCD and electronics reliability is always a question mark in our local climate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilby38 Neutral Newbie September 16, 2020 Share September 16, 2020 Virtual cockpit is there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcx607 4th Gear September 16, 2020 Share September 16, 2020 (edited) IMO, the modern car are over engineered with electronic gadgets and digital application. These have interlock to the mechanical shutdown for safety reason. Car owners want a more luxury and electronic application to engine, horses, aircon, seats, steering, lanes watch, pedestrian warning and even tires pressure. These are good features but electronic breakdown on temp issue. Remember, all car's parts are supplied by the cheapest bid from the suppliers. There are more than 10,000 parts making it more prone to failure in layman term. As such, I would think if the car has minimum electronic interlock, the better reliability its get or less failure. Edited September 16, 2020 by Tcx607 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teomingern 6th Gear September 16, 2020 Share September 16, 2020 10 hours ago, Kar_lover said: I guess to be fair none of the other cars in this price bracket has the "virtual cockpit". Of course in the advertisement they show the top "halo" model. And again, to be fair, these advertisement are unlikely to be produced by the local AD and is probably material given by the manufacturer. They have international brochures which show everything... and local brochures which are probably not ready yet... waiting to coincide with official launch I think... the local brochures are the ones to get... when new model comes in, it always international brochures first... so take what you see with a large dose of salt... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contipro 5th Gear September 16, 2020 Share September 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Tcx607 said: IMO, the modern car are over engineered with electronic gadgets and digital application. These have interlock to the mechanical shutdown for safety reason. Car owners want a more luxury and electronic application to engine, horses, aircon, seats, steering, lanes watch, pedestrian warning and even tires pressure. These are good features but electronic breakdown on temp issue. Remember, all car's parts are supplied by the cheapest bid from the suppliers. There are more than 10,000 parts making it more prone to failure in layman term. As such, I would think if the car has minimum electronic interlock, the better reliability its get or less failure. based on current generation of buyer, reliability can come second or last. The important what other can see & touch one must be modernized and best technological advance.. (also the badge) what hidden or undercarriage like engine power, suspension, etc these can position at later priorities.. This is want i observed.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contipro 5th Gear September 16, 2020 Share September 16, 2020 4 hours ago, Rickster said: Lets see what the local AD brings in.. hopefully the virtual cockpit is there. But again, id rather have nice analog dials if the virtual cockpit software is bare basic. Mazda owners are already facing problems with their digital cluster display, I guess LCD and electronics reliability is always a question mark in our local climate. that's why, actual with more and more using digital instrument panel, it should be about time sgcarmart to include information about the : a) size b) resolution c) dpi e) colour count f) refresh rate (shld be min 120hz) g) etc ?? As if manufacturer can give big size, but lousy LED panel with poor resolution or dpi, it make viewing more tiring versus analog type instrument cluster. unless manufacturer want to hide this info to prevent comparison ... so cheap price with cheap panel or high price for better panel... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahtea 3rd Gear September 16, 2020 Share September 16, 2020 15 hours ago, Sktan10 said: Pls dont praise them anymore so i can continue to enjoy cheap car. The more you praise,the more expensive it is.LOL..... LOL. Maybe i should start listing down a list of pain points after owning the car for 2 years? To be honest, I did find a few areas which are not as good. For instance, within close to 2 years of ownership, I have went back for 2 faults so far - 1 for the infamous boot opening which KMC technician didnt know how to fix it permanently and I had a faulty headlamp levelling switch (used less than 5 times). 1 reason why i held back when i saw the new Avante, was not solely the price. But I feel the competency of the service center to rectify "high tech" cars, might not be there. Will I still recommend a Hyundai? A yes and a no. If you are looking for a budget car now, maybe not. If you are looking for a car with good features, yes. The only brand which I will say stay far far away at all cost is probably VW. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teomingern 6th Gear September 17, 2020 Share September 17, 2020 13 hours ago, Ahtea said: LOL. Maybe i should start listing down a list of pain points after owning the car for 2 years? To be honest, I did find a few areas which are not as good. For instance, within close to 2 years of ownership, I have went back for 2 faults so far - 1 for the infamous boot opening which KMC technician didnt know how to fix it permanently and I had a faulty headlamp levelling switch (used less than 5 times). 1 reason why i held back when i saw the new Avante, was not solely the price. But I feel the competency of the service center to rectify "high tech" cars, might not be there. Will I still recommend a Hyundai? A yes and a no. If you are looking for a budget car now, maybe not. If you are looking for a car with good features, yes. The only brand which I will say stay far far away at all cost is probably VW. May not be fair to VW lar... there are many happy owners who experience zero issues I am sure... You can be sure that the Principal would have trained the technicians to fix any new features they introduce. Sometimes issues arise which are not in the manual cos they haven't been seen before, so some time is needed to collate enough data in order to find out how to fix it especially if it is an intermittent issue... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colorfulmouse 1st Gear September 17, 2020 Share September 17, 2020 On 9/15/2020 at 1:28 PM, Ilby38 said: 1. No ambient lighting 2. Swapped to inhouse sound system 3. like 10.25 inch infotainment changed to 8 inch infotainment with buttons one the sides. 4. No digital key i believe have more, but once i heard the 4 i just dont bother anymore this is a complete disgrace. they want to scringe even the smallest of profit by removing small value stuffs like ambient lighting? info screen also give small one. can't they atleast leave the sound? that one also change to inhouse. what a disappointment for that price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahtea 3rd Gear September 17, 2020 Share September 17, 2020 11 hours ago, teomingern said: May not be fair to VW lar... there are many happy owners who experience zero issues I am sure... You can be sure that the Principal would have trained the technicians to fix any new features they introduce. Sometimes issues arise which are not in the manual cos they haven't been seen before, so some time is needed to collate enough data in order to find out how to fix it especially if it is an intermittent issue... Yes, I have a colleague who had 2 VWs without a single issue. One relative had 2 VWs, both were towed before till he gave up and moved on to the pointed star brand. Another colleague similarly had many issues with his VW Jetta, sold it off for a Hyundai Tucson and never looked back. I hope so. My service experience with them so far have been a hit and miss so far. Only the first service was impressive. Second and third, I think there are room for improvements. But I wont be over particular here and the overall service experience should not be benchmarked against premium brands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahtea 3rd Gear September 17, 2020 Share September 17, 2020 4 hours ago, colorfulmouse said: this is a complete disgrace. they want to scringe even the smallest of profit by removing small value stuffs like ambient lighting? info screen also give small one. can't they atleast leave the sound? that one also change to inhouse. what a disappointment for that price. I think the car stereo is still factory fitted. There is an option to get the Avante with a 8" head unit too. Ambient lighting might add on to OMV and KMC might think that it does not bring value to customers, and hence, decides to take it away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
13177 Hypersonic September 18, 2020 Share September 18, 2020 18 hours ago, teomingern said: May not be fair to VW lar... there are many happy owners who experience zero issues I am sure... You can be sure that the Principal would have trained the technicians to fix any new features they introduce. Sometimes issues arise which are not in the manual cos they haven't been seen before, so some time is needed to collate enough data in order to find out how to fix it especially if it is an intermittent issue... I believe any make/model sure have some people have bad expeience and some have zero issues de. Even the so called reliable toyota, also would have people experience issues. Many times really depends on luck. Lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrNg 1st Gear September 18, 2020 Share September 18, 2020 Eh so what is the engine choice? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lala81 Hypersonic September 18, 2020 Share September 18, 2020 On 9/16/2020 at 1:03 AM, Ahtea said: Coming from a previous Japanese car owner, and someone who used to shun Korean cars, I think I must agree, Korean car makers have came a far way. I was quite impressed with the build of the outgoing AD Elantra/Avante. After getting it, my friend who was also all along a Toyota Camry owner, sat in my car once, and he too go converted to get the Avante. I think if you are looking solely at prices and features, yes, Korean cars are value for money. Reliability wise, I guess I need to really own the car for a few more years to compare and comment. Are they good? Well, I think they are decent. Are they value for money? Yes, before. But with the pricing for the new Avante, I think they lost a little on the price edge. But yes, you still get more features for the same price, but not much buyers actually go to that level of details. Pricing is the first thing which will send them to or away the showroom. My 2 cents worth. haha camry -> avante. mid sized to compact sedan. Definite downgrade lah. But save money also. Even if we are talking about previous generation camry to the exiting avante. Your kar cheng 1st sit inside the seat already feel the difference. Don't even need the car to move. Other than the infotainment system, cabin aesthetics, comfort, ride, NVH, handling totally different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahtea 3rd Gear September 18, 2020 Share September 18, 2020 1 hour ago, MrNg said: Eh so what is the engine choice? 1.6 MPI Smartstream Gamma 2 paired to IVT if i am not mistaken. ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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