Budget 2020: Encouraging Use of More Environmentally Friendly Vehicles

[TeamAMG69]

  On 2/23/2020 at 4:10 AM, goldennugget said:

allocate parking lots to each unit. install CCTV in the area.

wah... need to make such drastic changes just for EV lol

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who pay ? what if you dont drive car or dont own EV ?

[Rickster]

  On 2/23/2020 at 4:09 AM, goldennugget said:

u are right. nobody in their right mind will wake up in the middle of the night just to move their cars. maybe the solution is to start allocating lots to each unit. 1 unit 1 lot. for additional lots, pay extra...

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One possible solution would be to have a master power point for every x number of lots. So as long as u have a long enough cable, you can still plug into the power point to charge. Similar concept as multi-point splitter at home used to maximise the number of devices u can plug into a single power outlet.

The owner of the electric car would need to input credit card information or have an account with SP power before they can activate each individual power point outlet on the master power point for their own cars to plug in.

 

Edited February 24, 2020 by Rickster

[Rickster]

  On 2/24/2020 at 1:09 AM, TeamAMG69 said:

who pay ? what if you dont drive car or dont own EV ? 

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The price per kwh of power drawn from the car charging stations is already like 2.5 times more expensive than home electricity rates. They could factor the infra charge in. So people who don't own EVs don't get impacted.

Those staying in landed properties will reap the most benefits as they don't pay the high electric tariffs as charged by charging stations.

[TeamAMG69]

  On 2/24/2020 at 6:30 AM, Rickster said:

The price per kwh of power drawn from the car charging stations is already like 2.5 times more expensive than home electricity rates. They could factor the infra charge in. So people who don't own EVs don't get impacted.

Those staying in landed properties will reap the most benefits as they don't pay the high electric tariffs as charged by charging stations.

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thanks

if u stay in landed house, how much to install solar panel charging ?

anyone know ?

[inlinesix]

  On 2/24/2020 at 6:30 AM, Rickster said:

The price per kwh of power drawn from the car charging stations is already like 2.5 times more expensive than home electricity rates. They could factor the infra charge in. So people who don't own EVs don't get impacted.

Those staying in landed properties will reap the most benefits as they don't pay the high electric tariffs as charged by charging stations.

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Using AC power to charge EV very slow.

Must install DC charger for fast charging.

[Volvobrick]

  On 2/24/2020 at 2:35 PM, TeamAMG69 said:

thanks

if u stay in landed house, how much to install solar panel charging ?

anyone know ?

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Solar panels (probably $3 per W capacity) are still not worth the investment currently at current cheaper contested tariffs. Payback is more than 10 years, not counting financing costs.

[ferrytales]

  On 2/22/2020 at 7:51 AM, Rickster said:

Not just parked there. What if other EV are charging? You don't expect the owner immediately shift their car to other lots after full charge right?

Assuming I come home late at night and my battery is low... Assuming I'm lucky enough to find a lot with charging station, I plug my car in and go home and sleep Liao... 2 hours later, my car is fully charged, but I'm happily in dreamland while another EV is cursing me for leaving my car parked there hogging a charging point when my battery is already full.😂

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Bingo that's why this whole EV idea might not even take off, our land space is limited and mostly are mscp. Unless govt decides to build at least 1 to 2 levels of mscp with EV charging for every lot then this implementation will make sense. 

Then again, to build that many EV charging points, money gotta come from somewhere and where shall that be? We all know. 

[inlinesix]

  On 2/24/2020 at 3:59 PM, Volvobrick said:

Solar panels (probably $3 per W capacity) are still not worth the investment currently at current cheaper contested tariffs. Payback is more than 10 years, not counting financing costs.

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The only reason it’s not worth the investment is low efficiency (about 30%).

Without storage devices like Tesla powerwall, most of the power generated during daytime will go to grid.

[inlinesix]

  On 2/25/2020 at 1:54 AM, ferrytales said:

Bingo that's why this whole EV idea might not even take off, our land space is limited and mostly are mscp. Unless govt decides to build at least 1 to 2 levels of mscp with EV charging for every lot then this implementation will make sense. 

Then again, to build that many EV charging points, money gotta come from somewhere and where shall that be? We all know. 

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Whether it will take off or not, EU will ban sales of new ICE car by 2050.

What is the choice then?

[Wildfaye29]

They only wan tax money from vehicles.

Environment is least of their concerns.

Other countries give tax breaks for EV take up and provide infrastructure to boost take up rates.

Here they will milk u dry.

[theory_87]

  On 2/25/2020 at 2:29 AM, inlinesix said:

Whether it will take off or not, EU will ban sales of new ICE car by 2050.

What is the choice then?

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2050 is still far. Maybe by 2040, they realise the carbon footprint of building EV and disposal of battery is hazardous to environment more so than burning of fuel and decide to allow ICE to co-exist with EV.

[inlinesix]

  On 2/25/2020 at 3:30 AM, theory_87 said:

2050 is still far. Maybe by 2040, they realise the carbon footprint of building EV and disposal of battery is hazardous to environment more so than burning of fuel and decide to allow ICE to co-exist with EV.

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With ever tightening of Euro emission standard, it get more ex to build ICE car.

With introduction of Euro6, even petrol car needs particulate filter.

There are rumors that Japanese automakers stopped diesel development.

[ferrytales]

  On 2/25/2020 at 2:29 AM, inlinesix said:

Whether it will take off or not, EU will ban sales of new ICE car by 2050.

What is the choice then?

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2050? I will be too old to drive, who cares. 

[inlinesix]

  On 2/25/2020 at 5:53 AM, ferrytales said:

2050? I will be too old to drive, who cares. 

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Your kid will care

😂

[Rickster]

  On 2/24/2020 at 3:09 PM, inlinesix said:

Using AC power to charge EV very slow.

Must install DC charger for fast charging.

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Yes, that's why AC charging is only feasible for landed property whereby owners can charge overnight. No need to get full charge in <1 hr.

But u have any idea what is the cost to install a DC charger?

[Rickster]

  On 2/25/2020 at 3:30 AM, theory_87 said:

2050 is still far. Maybe by 2040, they realise the carbon footprint of building EV and disposal of battery is hazardous to environment more so than burning of fuel and decide to allow ICE to co-exist with EV.

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This is definitely a possibility. Saw documentaries on the EV production and disposal...not as green as we thought.

[Lala81]

  On 2/25/2020 at 2:29 AM, inlinesix said:

Whether it will take off or not, EU will ban sales of new ICE car by 2050.

What is the choice then?

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other parts of the world will still have ICE. And certainly Trump will stop any attempts at full EV outside of california haha

[Lala81]

  On 2/22/2020 at 8:20 AM, inlinesix said:

Under bus contracting model, all bus belongs to Ah Gong.
I was told fully charged bus can run at least 200km.

Just make sure the bus run on high voltage architecture to enable fast DC charging.

SP Power is ramping up charging station now.

For taxi/PHV drivers, the hirer needs to educate drivers to use regen brake to extend their mileage.

Otherwise, it will be a fail experiment 

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Electric buses are already a failed experiment in USA. The MIC buses CMI... many of them are mothballed after a while and actually become fire hazard.