ferrytales 4th Gear February 7, 2020 Share February 7, 2020 22 hours ago, RevStarZen said: It’s not feasible for 🇸🇬 to have Korea’s 1.6T specs lar unless u’re willing to shelve out previously Hyundai’s Kona 1.6T prices which Komoco had poor sales of it and discontinued it. Even for this 🇮🇳 made 1.4T specs at near $116K for 🇸🇬, I dread to think how C&C will price the Korea assembled 1.6T if they are importing this model and sure will suffer bad sales as pricing is even more non-competitive lar. 116k is already ridiculous on its own for a 1.4t. Even i30 with a downtuned 1.4t cost less than 100k. ↡ Advertisement 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevStarZen 1st Gear February 7, 2020 Share February 7, 2020 1 hour ago, ferrytales said: 116k is already ridiculous on its own for a 1.4t. Even i30 with a downtuned 1.4t cost less than 100k. My sentiments exactly and using the same engine as the i30 as well! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1888 Clutched February 7, 2020 Share February 7, 2020 (edited) On 2/6/2020 at 3:54 PM, Cheefarn said: Once again, we have the world highest car prices and we often got the worst specs of any given model so that the AD can have max profit margin 😞 Welcome to SG I dont know why you think AD is the problem. Tax is based on engine and OMV. What to do? Change LTA ==> need to change PAP 🙂 Edited February 7, 2020 by jam1888 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teomingern 6th Gear February 10, 2020 Share February 10, 2020 On 2/7/2020 at 5:38 PM, jam1888 said: I dont know why you think AD is the problem. Tax is based on engine and OMV. What to do? Change LTA ==> need to change PAP 🙂 It's the profit margin lar bro... cos you can always compare with Hyundai and see that despite sharing the platform and parts, Hyundais are consistently cheaper for the same thing... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerNg_185295 6th Gear February 10, 2020 Share February 10, 2020 On 2/7/2020 at 5:38 PM, jam1888 said: I dont know why you think AD is the problem. Tax is based on engine and OMV. What to do? Change LTA ==> need to change PAP 🙂 He always find something or someone to blame n complain about . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheefarn 5th Gear February 10, 2020 Share February 10, 2020 On 2/7/2020 at 5:38 PM, jam1888 said: I dont know why you think AD is the problem. Tax is based on engine and OMV. What to do? Change LTA ==> need to change PAP 🙂 Its the profit margin bro. A typical B n B vehicle eg Hyundai Tucson 1.6T profit margin came in at a ridiculous $27k even at 30k COE. They certainly can reduce their selling price alot if they are less greedy at the margins. Don't you find that the overall prices of many new cars and SUV are actually higher today at lower COE as compared to say, 4-5 yrs ago where COE prices were easily 60-70k? Yes, that SMLJ CEVS penalty comes into play, but CEVS max penalty is at $20k max. The average selling prices for new cars with similar OMV range as cars from 5-6 yrs ago are certainly way more than $20k Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1888 Clutched February 11, 2020 Share February 11, 2020 (edited) 20 hours ago, teomingern said: It's the profit margin lar bro... cos you can always compare with Hyundai and see that despite sharing the platform and parts, Hyundais are consistently cheaper for the same thing... 19 hours ago, Cheefarn said: Its the profit margin bro. A typical B n B vehicle eg Hyundai Tucson 1.6T profit margin came in at a ridiculous $27k even at 30k COE. They certainly can reduce their selling price alot if they are less greedy at the margins. Don't you find that the overall prices of many new cars and SUV are actually higher today at lower COE as compared to say, 4-5 yrs ago where COE prices were easily 60-70k? Yes, that SMLJ CEVS penalty comes into play, but CEVS max penalty is at $20k max. The average selling prices for new cars with similar OMV range as cars from 5-6 yrs ago are certainly way more than $20k Businesses that hangs around (dont go bankrupt) are never stupid. If pricing less means more sales and overall more profit, the sales director would have authorised it. He will look so good at the AGM and deserve big big bonus. He didn't bec he know he will get overall less. There are many reason why sales do not go up more than the price go down. It could be people who buy BMWs will never buy Kia/Hyundai no matter how cheap it is priced (also bec it is cheap) The companies done their maths, they know there is only a limited pool of price sensitive people buying hyundais/Kia and they are only butchering themselves without more profit if they lower prices. So why lower prices when they know you will lan lan buy their Kia/Hyundais? Mitsubishi Attrage has the lowest margins ... would you buy that? All businesses are in the business of making max profits. They have overheads to pay. So the only practical way for consumer is the "other guy" aka govt to take less so that savings can come down to consumer hence my comment on taxes. Election coming.... you can try 🙂 Edited February 11, 2020 by jam1888 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferrytales 4th Gear February 11, 2020 Share February 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, jam1888 said: Businesses that hangs around (dont go bankrupt) are never stupid. If pricing less means more sales and overall more profit, the sales director would have authorised it. He will look so good at the AGM and deserve big big bonus. He didn't bec he know he will get overall less. There are many reason why sales do not go up more than the price go down. It could be people who buy BMWs will never buy Kia/Hyundai no matter how cheap it is priced (also bec it is cheap) The companies done their maths, they know there is only a limited pool of price sensitive people buying hyundais/Kia and they are only butchering themselves without more profit if they lower prices. So why lower prices when they know you will lan lan buy their Kia/Hyundais? Mitsubishi Attrage has the lowest margins ... would you buy that? All businesses are in the business of making max profits. They have overheads to pay. So the only practical way for consumer is the "other guy" aka govt to take less so that savings can come down to consumer hence my comment on taxes. Election coming.... you can try 🙂 Good point. Attrage is damn cheap but I will never it, rather pay a bit for accent/avante. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheefarn 5th Gear February 11, 2020 Share February 11, 2020 56 minutes ago, jam1888 said: Businesses that hangs around (dont go bankrupt) are never stupid. If pricing less means more sales and overall more profit, the sales director would have authorised it. He will look so good at the AGM and deserve big big bonus. He didn't bec he know he will get overall less. There are many reason why sales do not go up more than the price go down. It could be people who buy BMWs will never buy Kia/Hyundai no matter how cheap it is priced (also bec it is cheap) The companies done their maths, they know there is only a limited pool of price sensitive people buying hyundais/Kia and they are only butchering themselves without more profit if they lower prices. So why lower prices when they know you will lan lan buy their Kia/Hyundais? Mitsubishi Attrage has the lowest margins ... would you buy that? All businesses are in the business of making max profits. They have overheads to pay. So the only practical way for consumer is the "other guy" aka govt to take less so that savings can come down to consumer hence my comment on taxes. Election coming.... you can try 🙂 I would say the real reason is that COE allocations is only that much per bid session. No matter how an AD try, they can NEVER sell more cars than the COE allocation. So the more our MIW reduces the COE quota, the higher the AD profit margins, since none of them can sell based on economic of scale anymore. There is a big difference of having say, 3000 Cat B COE for every bid session vs just 900 per session these days. This is also the reason why, despite having the most expensive car prices on this planet, we often got the new models launches last, or one of the last in SE Asia. Manufacturers simply can't be bothered with our tiny market, and then we often have to instruct them to del this and that to keep the OMV down. So who created this mess? Vote wisely... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerNg_185295 6th Gear February 11, 2020 Share February 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Cheefarn said: I would say the real reason is that COE allocations is only that much per bid session. No matter how an AD try, they can NEVER sell more cars than the COE allocation. So the more our MIW reduces the COE quota, the higher the AD profit margins, since none of them can sell based on economic of scale anymore. There is a big difference of having say, 3000 Cat B COE for every bid session vs just 900 per session these days. This is also the reason why, despite having the most expensive car prices on this planet, we often got the new models launches last, or one of the last in SE Asia. Manufacturers simply can't be bothered with our tiny market, and then we often have to instruct them to del this and that to keep the OMV down. So who created this mess? Vote wisely... Did pap force you to buy a car? This had nothing to do with votes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinceng Turbocharged February 12, 2020 Share February 12, 2020 On 2/7/2020 at 4:00 PM, ferrytales said: 116k is already ridiculous on its own for a 1.4t. Even i30 with a downtuned 1.4t cost less than 100k. Hyundai i30 1.4T is only $84K now. If you look at how C&C price their cars, you know why Kia Cerato sales are dismay compared to Hyundai Avante. Last year's sales figures speaks for itself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teomingern 6th Gear February 12, 2020 Share February 12, 2020 17 minutes ago, Vinceng said: Hyundai i30 1.4T is only $84K now. If you look at how C&C price their cars, you know why Kia Cerato sales are dismay compared to Hyundai Avante. Last year's sales figures speaks for itself. Bro jam1888, this is what I am referring to... you obviously must have profit margins but there's a sweet spot... which maximizes profit... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1888 Clutched February 12, 2020 Share February 12, 2020 6 hours ago, Vinceng said: Hyundai i30 1.4T is only $84K now. If you look at how C&C price their cars, you know why Kia Cerato sales are dismay compared to Hyundai Avante. Last year's sales figures speaks for itself. 6 hours ago, teomingern said: Bro jam1888, this is what I am referring to... you obviously must have profit margins but there's a sweet spot... which maximizes profit... I dont know why they priced Cerato at 82K when for 2k more the i30 1.4T seem much better but... what is the problem? Buy i30 than. You guys really like Cerato? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1888 Clutched February 12, 2020 Share February 12, 2020 On 2/11/2020 at 12:10 PM, RogerNg_185295 said: Did pap force you to buy a car? This had nothing to do with votes. PAP definitely force me to pay tax. Do you even have a point? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerNg_185295 6th Gear February 12, 2020 Share February 12, 2020 54 minutes ago, jam1888 said: PAP definitely force me to pay tax. Do you even have a point? The question is did pap force you to buy car? Dun try to Tom dick harry to avoid answering me 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unfazed 6th Gear February 12, 2020 Share February 12, 2020 12 minutes ago, RogerNg_185295 said: The question is did pap force you to buy car? Dun try to Tom dick harry to avoid answering me Wah...steady man...machiam some IO interrogating hardcore criminal sia..or rather some mad toothless barking? 😂 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1888 Clutched February 12, 2020 Share February 12, 2020 1 hour ago, RogerNg_185295 said: The question is did pap force you to buy car? Dun try to Tom dick harry to avoid answering me What is tom dick harry to avoid answering you? I answered your question but obviously you have no ability to comprehend. You still haven't answered mine though. What is your point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1888 Clutched February 12, 2020 Share February 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Unfazed said: Wah...steady man...machiam some IO interrogating hardcore criminal sia..or rather some mad toothless barking? 😂 My experience ... the dumb ones often barked the loudest. ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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