A5 sportback vs Stinger vs XE

[inlinesix]

26 minutes ago, Mkl22 said:

i still stand by that British manufacturing sucks. they can design and innovate, but leave the manufacturing to the Germans and Japanese.

built in UK nissan qashqai 1.2t is also rubbish. not sure if the 2.0 is also uk built.

Mini build quality is like German le

[Mkl22]

6 minutes ago, t0y0ta said:

4 years after buying car, my wife still nagging me for buying expensive car. They don't forget .... or forgive.

TS be warned

ya. but when it comes to the case when the oven and cake mixer is a white elephant. it will be "i where got time? already so busy managing the house" or " i make already no one wants to eat.“

So TS need to balance the joy of driving the car he likes vs the agony of constant grumblings. if the joy of the car out weighs, the naggings, then go for it and us the car as an outlet to relief stress. But with a used Audi, i fear that it might add more stress than relief it. 

[BabyBlade]

34 minutes ago, Enye said:

wah goddess has spoken.....

if you read between the lines, there can be only 1 choice for ts now......harrier turbo

 

 

 

unless ts prefers to hear chants of harrier harrier harrier ❤️ every night in his sleep and waking hours too

🤣

I don't read between the lines. I take it at face value. The wife prefers a Harrier Turbo. Great choice. It's a Toyota. It's reliable. Maybe the best choice for her (less visits to the workshop etc). She can go get her own Harrier. 

But if I'm gonna be the one driving, I'm gonna buy a car that I like (looks, drives, performance). It's one whole package. Haha.

The wife can decide what bedsheets to buy, what brand of pots, dyson vaccum. Go ahead. Get it for her. But if the car is used mainly by the husband, then she shouldn't be the decision maker isn't it?

*Sorry lots of typo gotta edit a few times*

 

[BabyBlade]

I think my main point is.

Buy what you like, and like what you buy. 

 

 

 

Unless you're not the one paying for it.

[Hllow84]

Wah thanks everyone, I am overwhelmed by the advice / info, really appreciate it. To add a bit more context:

- I am paying it myself and I have a budget of around 150k - based on the range of 50k downpayment and around 1.2-1.5k mthly instalment?

- It's absolutely right that what I have in my mind has always been the first 3, I added 4th candidly (kinda regretted now) and didn't expect the response to be so wife-accommodating  My wife would nag but I think all she ever need is a reliable car for me to get her from point A to B/C/D/E/F. She doesn't even have a license so this car "might" be her practice car when she decided to take on the test (if it ever happen)..

- I never really own a car that sells on performance or "the drive". Wish and Mazda 6 were my ride ever since I have kids 6 years ago, and before that a Mini (none S) - Hence, hopefully not sounding too noob / ignorant, I really wish to experience a good HP car.

Is a used Audi really that alarming? I like the A5 look and I read we can do the stage 1 mod and the performance can go up to almost 2.0 Stinger?

 

[Falc]

1 hour ago, t0y0ta said:

Jag car... my colleague try to sell away very well maintained 4+ yo. Trade-in or used-car dealer both offered only near scrap value.

Buy at your own risk.

It's not just Jag. A lot depends on your paper value in the first place. 

[GTO-1]

58 minutes ago, Hllow84 said:

Wah thanks everyone, I am overwhelmed by the advice / info, really appreciate it. To add a bit more context:

- I am paying it myself and I have a budget of around 150k - based on the range of 50k downpayment and around 1.2-1.5k mthly instalment?

- It's absolutely right that what I have in my mind has always been the first 3, I added 4th candidly (kinda regretted now) and didn't expect the response to be so wife-accommodating  My wife would nag but I think all she ever need is a reliable car for me to get her from point A to B/C/D/E/F. She doesn't even have a license so this car "might" be her practice car when she decided to take on the test (if it ever happen)..

- I never really own a car that sells on performance or "the drive". Wish and Mazda 6 were my ride ever since I have kids 6 years ago, and before that a Mini (none S) - Hence, hopefully not sounding too noob / ignorant, I really wish to experience a good HP car.

Is a used Audi really that alarming? I like the A5 look and I read we can do the stage 1 mod and the performance can go up to almost 2.0 Stinger?

 

If your wife wants reliability then avoid the used Audi like the plague. Yes, you could get an amazing Audi with zero problems, but if you're playing the odds, then the odds say a new+Asian car will deliver better reliability. If you're then planning to mod the car, you can say goodbye to warranty.  Generalisation, but Conti car parts are generally more expensive and more finely tuned compared to Asian counterparts. That's great if you want all-out performance from the factory, but horrible if you want a car to last 10 years with minimal maintainence and cost. 

Honestly though, as a car-enthusiast, I see a Audi on SG and don't think much (worst case I say poseur). It's nothing against Audi/BMW/Merc, but there are way too many car owners in SG that buy just the badge, because they know nothing about cars. 

On the other hand when I see a person driving a Stinger, I think: "there's a person that's chosen a good car and knows more than the average buyer". Basically a thumbs up. I really don't care that it's a Kia. I see it as Kia saying: "I'm going to invest more time and effort into building a great Halo car", as opposed to Audi, BMW or Merc building an Q1, X1, GLA, A3, 1-series or A-class and saying: "let's build an average car, slap our badge on it and make tonnes of money". 

But that's just me. 

[flashbang]

1 hour ago, Hllow84 said:

Wah thanks everyone, I am overwhelmed by the advice / info, really appreciate it. To add a bit more context:

- I am paying it myself and I have a budget of around 150k - based on the range of 50k downpayment and around 1.2-1.5k mthly instalment?

- It's absolutely right that what I have in my mind has always been the first 3, I added 4th candidly (kinda regretted now) and didn't expect the response to be so wife-accommodating  My wife would nag but I think all she ever need is a reliable car for me to get her from point A to B/C/D/E/F. She doesn't even have a license so this car "might" be her practice car when she decided to take on the test (if it ever happen)..

- I never really own a car that sells on performance or "the drive". Wish and Mazda 6 were my ride ever since I have kids 6 years ago, and before that a Mini (none S) - Hence, hopefully not sounding too noob / ignorant, I really wish to experience a good HP car.

Is a used Audi really that alarming? I like the A5 look and I read we can do the stage 1 mod and the performance can go up to almost 2.0 Stinger?

 

FYI in terms of performance, you might as well get A4. A4 and A5 use the same engine, only a different body style.

 

Looking at your budget, there's a secret performance car well within that amount and better performance than A4. I leave it to you to look around the Conti subforum to find it....... 

Edited December 5, 2019 by flashbang

[Cheefarn]

2 hours ago, Hllow84 said:

Wah thanks everyone, I am overwhelmed by the advice / info, really appreciate it. To add a bit more context:

- I am paying it myself and I have a budget of around 150k - based on the range of 50k downpayment and around 1.2-1.5k mthly instalment?

- It's absolutely right that what I have in my mind has always been the first 3, I added 4th candidly (kinda regretted now) and didn't expect the response to be so wife-accommodating  My wife would nag but I think all she ever need is a reliable car for me to get her from point A to B/C/D/E/F. She doesn't even have a license so this car "might" be her practice car when she decided to take on the test (if it ever happen)..

- I never really own a car that sells on performance or "the drive". Wish and Mazda 6 were my ride ever since I have kids 6 years ago, and before that a Mini (none S) - Hence, hopefully not sounding too noob / ignorant, I really wish to experience a good HP car.

Is a used Audi really that alarming? I like the A5 look and I read we can do the stage 1 mod and the performance can go up to almost 2.0 Stinger?

 

Bro, the so called tuning is nothing more than reprogramming the ECU and to install cold air intakes, 2 of which can be done to the Stinger if you like. All ECU can be reprogrammed. It is definitely not a VW group exclusive. And even NA engines can be optimized abit by tinkering with the ECU mappings.  

And why would u spend more money on ECU mapping to an Audi to reach Stinger 2L performance when you can buy the Stinger directly and brand new too?  Moreover, your used Audi needs to be able to run normally first and continue to operate reliably after the update la

Look at Opel Insignia 2L 260hp too if you have 150k. Yankee power plus Yankee/German styling..Reliability will be alot better than Audi and other Conti brands since the whole drivetrain and chassis is from GM USA.  Only 4 left at Alpine so do check it out soon. 

 

[Beregond]

2 hours ago, GTO-1 said:

Audi, BMW or Merc building an Q1, X1, GLA, A3, 1-series or A-class and saying: "let's build an average car, slap our badge on it and make tonnes of money". 

But that's just me. 

exact same feeling🤣

[jk228b]

41 minutes ago, Beregond said:

exact same feeling🤣

 

2 hours ago, GTO-1 said:

If your wife wants reliability then avoid the used Audi like the plague. Yes, you could get an amazing Audi with zero problems, but if you're playing the odds, then the odds say a new+Asian car will deliver better reliability. If you're then planning to mod the car, you can say goodbye to warranty.  Generalisation, but Conti car parts are generally more expensive and more finely tuned compared to Asian counterparts. That's great if you want all-out performance from the factory, but horrible if you want a car to last 10 years with minimal maintainence and cost. 

Honestly though, as a car-enthusiast, I see a Audi on SG and don't think much (worst case I say poseur). It's nothing against Audi/BMW/Merc, but there are way too many car owners in SG that buy just the badge, because they know nothing about cars. 

On the other hand when I see a person driving a Stinger, I think: "there's a person that's chosen a good car and knows more than the average buyer". Basically a thumbs up. I really don't care that it's a Kia. I see it as Kia saying: "I'm going to invest more time and effort into building a great Halo car", as opposed to Audi, BMW or Merc building an Q1, X1, GLA, A3, 1-series or A-class and saying: "let's build an average car, slap our badge on it and make tonnes of money". 

But that's just me. 

I agree too...X1 to X8...if you give X1 great stuff who is going to buy the X2,3,4,5,6,7,8...

Same for A3...if it's fantastic who will buy the 4,5,6...

And the story goes for Q1 too..

There must be product differentiation within their own range...

Stinger...KIA can afford to give it all that they can

[Enye]

wah...arent we forgetting that the stinger also has a base version and a top of the line version?

so much for low end conti bashing .... sheesh

🙄🤗

 

[Mkl22]

a big fat NO to the opel! that one worse than the jag. you lose the car plus your pants!!!😁. it was shitty under GM, now under PSA... lagi worse.

Edited December 5, 2019 by Mkl22

[Ganwb79]

If A5 better to get new, talk to their sales, see how much can be shaved off from list price. Might be closer to your budget than you think. 

Have you looked at the Skoda Superb? Looks wise it is not nicer than the A5, same liftback design, pretty competitive price, and probably powerful enough to excite you. 

[Mkl22]

2 minutes ago, Ganwb79 said:

If A5 better to get new, talk to their sales, see how much can be shaved off from list price. Might be closer to your budget than you think. 

Have you looked at the Skoda Superb? Looks wise it is not nicer than the A5, same liftback design, pretty competitive price, and probably powerful enough to excite you. 

the superb 2.0 is better, but no more. maybe the octavia RS 245hp is just right for SG roads.

[jk228b]

not the most familiar...but so does most of the conti ones right...

so say x1 to 7...each still has diff variants right...like S line, X line, M...

don't get me wrong..not low end conti bashing...just a highlighting a need for product differentiation by the manufacturer.

Edited December 5, 2019 by jk228b

[Didu]

OK, looks like it's filtering down to :

Stinkier vs Hairier

Which one would TS go for?

[Cheefarn]

4 minutes ago, Ganwb79 said:

If A5 better to get new, talk to their sales, see how much can be shaved off from list price. Might be closer to your budget than you think. 

Have you looked at the Skoda Superb? Looks wise it is not nicer than the A5, same liftback design, pretty competitive price, and probably powerful enough to excite you. 

Still VW group... what's the point?