Huawei Battles Trump

[Wishcumsback]

50 minutes ago, Turboflat4 said:

Hardware is a lot easier than software. Replacing Google Play Services without violating their Terms of Service, that'll be the real challenge. (They have to do it in a legal way because otherwise markets like the EU will ban their phones). 

So, to be competitive, Huawei needs to build up their native AppGallery ecosystem from the ground up to become a complete alternative to all the Google stuff at least. For me, the killer app is Maps, the rest I can take them or leave them (Gmail is nothing special and I'd rather use Duckduckgo to search in privacy). I just did a search on the Huawei AppGallery and the number one listed Navigation app is Sygic and it really is crap compared to Google Maps. Bottom line is that it'll be an uphill battle for Huawei. 

Well, that's what some in the industry said previously about Alibaba and Tencent fintec eco-system.

Today, US's banking industry has no comparable system.

As for Google. If I am one of the executive planning for the next mid-term opportunity, I would be worried.

Ren just lats week in his latest CNN interview has indicated they have "Plan B" to run its devices with zero Google services....unless US Gov stop its stupid act.

 

Take note of the time-line Ren has given to replace Google services.

 

 

 

Edited December 3, 2019 by Wishcumsback

[Kusje]

On 11/13/2019 at 11:34 AM, Jusnel said:

LKY once told US Congress "China has 5000 years of history.  You don't teach them what to do."

It seems they forgot these words from someone who welcomed China in the 80s as a friend. 

China is not like Iran/Iraq, Yemen and whatnot country that US can bully. 

By its own domestic market, China can already survive on its own very well.

Just look at 11.11 sale.  By Chinese consumers alone, it rake up billions of dollars in the 1st hour of sale. 

Can US consumers do that? 

Someone once said "You go to any street in China, and randomly asked a chinese to speak English, the chances are very high.  If you go to any street in USA, and asked an american to speak Chinese, the chances is almost nil." 

What does that tell us about these 2 countries?

 

I'd say that it shows the dominance of English speaking countries in international trade in the past (and today)....

Not to say that it will continue.

[Victor68]

10 minutes ago, Kusje said:

I'd say that it shows the dominance of English speaking countries in international trade in the past (and today)....

Not to say that it will continue.

While this is true, it also shows how much exposure their people have in today's world. If you ignore your competitors and continue to live in your own well, you know what will happen. 

[Kusje]

10 hours ago, Turboflat4 said:

Hardware is a lot easier than software. Replacing Google Play Services without violating their Terms of Service, that'll be the real challenge. (They have to do it in a legal way because otherwise markets like the EU will ban their phones). 

So, to be competitive, Huawei needs to build up their native AppGallery ecosystem from the ground up to become a complete alternative to all the Google stuff at least. For me, the killer app is Maps, the rest I can take them or leave them (Gmail is nothing special and I'd rather use Duckduckgo to search in privacy). I just did a search on the Huawei AppGallery and the number one listed Navigation app is Sygic and it really is crap compared to Google Maps. Bottom line is that it'll be an uphill battle for Huawei. 

I don't agree that Maps is the main thing. It is just one of the important apps. Gmail is important is an impt app to those who are using gmail accounts but I think (not an IT engineer) there should be little issue to create a competing app which can access a gmail account.

Google apps store is a challenge unless they can convince all the app makers to also concurrently list there. Big apps like facebook, netflix, etc should be no issue but what about other apps like banking apps? Also not sure if sanctions will prevent companies from listing in the appstore (but i think not). 

[1fast1]

15 minutes ago, Kusje said:

I don't agree that Maps is the main thing. It is just one of the important apps. Gmail is important is an impt app to those who are using gmail accounts but I think (not an IT engineer) there should be little issue to create a competing app which can access a gmail account.

Google apps store is a challenge unless they can convince all the app makers to also concurrently list there. Big apps like facebook, netflix, etc should be no issue but what about other apps like banking apps? Also not sure if sanctions will prevent companies from listing in the appstore (but i think not). 

What is important to one is often subjective. However, keep in mind that in 2013 (at least), Google Maps was found to be the most popular app worldwide for smartphones with over half of owners of such devices having used it just once. Even people without access to private transportation find it indispensable in complicated built-up areas they're unfamiliar with. 

And I love the integration with Google Earth - you can actually see the structure(s) you're about to visit ahead of time.

I just haven't been able to find something anywhere near that good that serves the purpose. 

In contrast, for Gmail, I find the phone app to be quite clunky and limited in functionality. You can easily use third party apps (like the built-in email app) as the interface for your gmail account. 

Ditto for things like YouTube, for which third party apps exist and may even be preferable given the number of ads you have to endure with the free version of the official app.

I agree with you about issues related to banking apps. The especial problem may be in convincing users to use an app from a company that's already being accused of being wilfully lax in security when it suits them (again I am only repeating the allegation, not saying I believe it). However, I already use Playstore banking apps on my Huawei device - I don't personally have such a big security concern with regard to this. The OS is the most important thing - if that's compromised, then app-level security doesn't matter at all. I've already put my money where my mouth is with regard to Huawei and EMUI. 

Edited December 4, 2019 by Turboflat4

[Kusje]

7 minutes ago, Turboflat4 said:

What is important to one is often subjective. However, keep in mind that in 2013 (at least), Google Maps was found to be the most popular app worldwide for smartphones with over half of owners of such devices having used it just once. Even people without access to private transportation find it indispensable in complicated built-up areas they're unfamiliar with. 

And I love the integration with Google Earth - you can actually see the structure(s) you're about to visit ahead of time.

I just haven't been able to find something anywhere near that good that serves the purpose. 

In contrast, for Gmail, I find the phone app to be quite clunky and limited in functionality. You can easily use third party apps (like the built-in email app) as the interface for your gmail account. 

Ditto for things like YouTube, for which third party apps exist and may even be preferable given the number of ads you have to endure with the free version of the official app.

Subjective is one thing - when we're discussing mobile phones, I think we should be looking at what's important to the majority of the user base and not our own preferences.

For Maps, I think outside of google and apple, the best software should be HERE (former nokia maps). Currently owned by a bunch of german car companies and used in many cars.

Anyone have a BMW? How's Here maps?

Edited December 4, 2019 by Kusje

[1fast1]

26 minutes ago, Kusje said:

Subjective is one thing - when we're discussing mobile phones, I think we should be looking at what's important to the majority of the user base and not our own preferences.

For Maps, I think outside of google and apple, the best software should be HERE (former nokia maps). Currently owned by a bunch of german car companies and used in many cars.

Anyone have a BMW? How's Here maps?

I did quote objective evidence for Google Maps. The exact percentage was 54% if memory serves. That's a majority (literally) of the userbase.

I have a BMW. If HERE is the source of the maps used in the iDrive, it's quite good. The real time traffic information adds some value, though you have to pay for it via BMW Connected. 

However, 

- iDrive sometimes goes to the wrong place for no good reason when Google Maps does it perfectly. And iDrive may take you to the address but often misses the parking entrance.

- it's often difficult to input addresses into the damn thing whereas Google Maps practically enters it for you via auto prediction. And my iDrive can't search by postal code (Google Maps does so easily). 

- even the RTTI (real time traffic info) which is a paid subscription feature, is not so good as info is often delayed. This may be the LTA's fault though.

- iDrive is (of course) useless for foot traffic.

PS: I think we're straying too far off-topic.

Edited December 4, 2019 by Turboflat4

[Wishcumsback]

12 hours ago, Ysc3 said:

Trump must be very happy now !!

HUAWEI PHONES & 5G NO LONGER USE U.S. COMPONENTS

According to the Wall Street Journal, citing a report from UBS and Japanese technology laboratory, Fomalhaut Techno Solutions, Huawei Mate 30 Pro no longer contains US-made parts. The Wall Street Journal pointed out that Huawei has made great progress in getting rid of American parts and chips. Companies such as iFixit and Tech Insights Inc. disassembled the Huawei Mate 30 Pro to check the source of the components and reached similar conclusions. This means that Huawei phones for next year will probably not use any component from the US....

...However, Huawei cannot easily replace a US supplier, Google. Huawei can no longer license the Google Play services version of Android. This means that its newer phones won’t work with Google’s core Android apps like Play Store, Search, Gmail, Maps, etc.

When Mate 30 was launched in Sep, industry was curious how it will survive without Google Play apps or services on it...

Then  3 months later, they now know the smartphone not only runs without Google, it also has zero-US-made/origin/patented/license components.

And this is only Huawei's 1st flagship product soon after US Gov blacklisted the ShenZhen-based coy.  HA!

 

 

[Wishcumsback]

6 hours ago, Kusje said:

I'd say that it shows the dominance of English speaking countries in international trade in the past (and today)....

Not to say that it will continue.

Why restrict yourself to one language when we have the benefit of being bilingual ?

 

Trying out Baidu Map in SG

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Edited December 4, 2019 by Wishcumsback

[Ysc3]

8 minutes ago, Wishcumsback said:

Why restrict yourself to one language when we have the benefit of being bilingual ?

 

Trying out Baidu Map in SG

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Is this an app ? Or online map? Did not know they had this 😅

[Wishcumsback]

10 minutes ago, Ysc3 said:

Is this an app ? Or online map? Did not know they had this 😅

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.baidu.BaiduMap&hl=en

...百度地图国际化地图已覆盖全球200多个国家及地区。致力于为用户提供更准确、更丰富、更易用的出行服务..

They had added AR and APIs. Running on both iOS, Android. Since Huawei's Harmony OS is also based open-source Android, the means the app is cross-platformed.

 

[Yamapi]

US moves to cut Huawei off from global chip suppliers, TSMC barred from making Kirin chipsets for Huawei

https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/technology/us-moves-to-cut-huawei-off-from-global-chip-suppliers

 

[Wind30]

28 minutes ago, Yamapi said:

US moves to cut Huawei off from global chip suppliers, TSMC barred from making Kirin chipsets for Huawei

https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/technology/us-moves-to-cut-huawei-off-from-global-chip-suppliers

 

let’s see if tsmc agrees, they have 4 months. I said months ago blocking tsmc will be the killer blow as there is no substitute. 
I think this move will escalate the trade war a lot. If I am China, I will use all sort of leverage on Taiwan. 
it is not good for Taiwan getting caught in the crossfire. 
usa is really horrible towards Taiwan,
 

Edited May 16, 2020 by Wind30

[Yamapi]

35 minutes ago, Wind30 said:

let’s see if tsmc agrees, they have 4 months. I said months ago blocking tsmc will be the killer blow as there is no substitute. 
I think this move will escalate the trade war a lot. If I am China, I will use all sort of leverage on Taiwan. 
it is not good for Taiwan getting caught in the crossfire. 
usa is really horrible towards Taiwan,
 

There's Samsung, right... Maybe US will demand no access as well since its also built on US patents and technology

[Wind30]

Just now, Yamapi said:

There's Samsung, right... Maybe US will demand no access as well since its also built on US patents and technology

I do ic design for many years. In fact, I design on tsmc latest technology 7nm for over a couple of years. 
the process is different, it takes one year to switch. I don’t think there is any fab as good as tsmc. 
China will switch to local fab like smic. Although it takes years to develop a process node, I think China has been investing greatly in local fabs.

maybe they are not that far behind. Our global foundries failed on 7nm I think...

 

[inlinesix]

2 hours ago, Wind30 said:

let’s see if tsmc agrees, they have 4 months. I said months ago blocking tsmc will be the killer blow as there is no substitute. 
I think this move will escalate the trade war a lot. If I am China, I will use all sort of leverage on Taiwan. 
it is not good for Taiwan getting caught in the crossfire. 
usa is really horrible towards Taiwan,

There are wind about this since last year.

TSMC has no choice but to agree.

TW has decoupled from China for some times.

[inlinesix]

1 hour ago, Wind30 said:

I do ic design for many years. In fact, I design on tsmc latest technology 7nm for over a couple of years. 
the process is different, it takes one year to switch. I don’t think there is any fab as good as tsmc. 
China will switch to local fab like smic. Although it takes years to develop a process node, I think China has been investing greatly in local fabs.

maybe they are not that far behind. Our global foundries failed on 7nm I think...

 

7nm should be “old” tech now.

[Wind30]

37 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

There are wind about this since last year.

TSMC has no choice but to agree.

TW has decoupled from China for some times.

 

I think it is easy to get US suppliers to stop supplying Huawei but getting third party suppliers like TSMC to follow is a different ball game. 

What can usa do? Stop supplying TSMC too? Taiwan does a lot of business with China much more than with USA. Taiwan is also a lot closer to China.

China have not flex their muscle yet. I think China has more leverage on Taiwan than USA...