Bali Thieves

[Karoon]

when i go on tours in this region, i always observe the tour guides pay them special attention. I asked a thai tour-guide once why, he said they would skimp so much that they would resort to lying/cheating eg underdeclare no of people to save on tickets, pressure the tour guides for extra food pax claiming they paid for more, demand free upgrades/freebies, and resort to demanding and boorish behaviour.

 

even in switzerland...

 

https://www.theweek.in/news/world/2019/07/25/swiss-hotel-issues-racist-info-sheet-for-indian-tourists-apologises.html

 

but the hotel had to apologise in the end

 

[Playtime]

Just wondering, wouldn't the hotel still be able to deduct the amount of 'missing' items from the security deposit and or charge you for the items thereafter?

Isn't there some fine print that says they can charge you for damages etc etc ? That's why die also need credit card swipe.

 

Same for car rentals

[Playtime]

This is 2019, and they got money to go overseas tour and rent big big car, still take...

 

About 40+ yr ago, my father and my grandmother went back China a few years after locating my long-lost uncle.

 

My father/grandma stayed in a small hotel in XinHui town, and my Chinese uncle's family, all walked one whole day from the village to meet my father/grandma.

 

According to my father, after checkout, the hotel told him got problem... then brought him to the room, and saw that our relatives took almost everything that could be taken, including bulbs, towels, etc...

 

My father had to ask them to return all those stuff and apologised...

 

But that was a time when China hasn't even started to open up, and it was not easy to visit China (and far more difficult for Chinese to go overseas). Foreigners would use å¤æ±å· to buy things, as many things can only be bought by it. The locals use 人æ°å¸ instead.

 

With the living condition and standard being so poor, and the country was so culturally/educationally so backwards then, it was understandable that the people behaved that way.

 

Fast forward to 2019, and these seemingly affluent Indians also doing the same... hopeless...

Had a different type encounter with prcs.

 

On a flight, had a large prc tour group. Many are very elderly, could be some community or what..

 

Problem was with toilets.

 

I suspect they are first time travelling, many didn't know :

 

must q for toilet.

Must close toilet door

Must lock toilet door.

Some, after lock, dunno how to get out.

 

Actually .. I think their guide didn't brief them.

[Mustank]

I will share a true story also...regarding our friends from Indians....

 

This happened while I was visiting Universal Studios in Sentosa...just 3 weeks back

 

There was this family of Indians tourists behind me in the queue for the Puss In Boots ride....between us were 2 other families...The queues as you know for those who visited Universal Studios were those long straight zig-zag types.

 

Apparently the particular Indian family didn't like the long queue and wait in the hot weather...so sensing an opportunity they removed the elastic barrier band, (sorry I cant give a proper term for this but is those detachable elastic chords meant to separate lines of queues) and helped themselves to jump all the way to the second line in queue for the ride. Apparently the park wardens were too beezy to notice and those people whose queue was cut by them were told off by them to mind their own business.

 

Im not sure whether they are tourists or workers here on work permits but I clarified subsequently they were not locals. Their behavior left a bad taste in everyone's mouths that day. Really really deplorable behavior.

I heard so much about these ceca folks

Really cmi

 

Last time I bought 2 years of universal studio annual pass with express when kids were younger

But damn bloody worth it

While the new transformer rise just open, the queue is at least an hour long

With the express pass, my kids took at least 10-15 times per day

Average number of rides per day was about 30-40. That’s why super worth

[Playtime]

I will share a true story also...regarding our friends from Indians....

 

This happened while I was visiting Universal Studios in Sentosa...just 3 weeks back

 

There was this family of Indians tourists behind me in the queue for the Puss In Boots ride....between us were 2 other families...The queues as you know for those who visited Universal Studios were those long straight zig-zag types.

 

Apparently the particular Indian family didn't like the long queue and wait in the hot weather...so sensing an opportunity they removed the elastic barrier band, (sorry I cant give a proper term for this but is those detachable elastic chords meant to separate lines of queues) and helped themselves to jump all the way to the second line in queue for the ride. Apparently the park wardens were too beezy to notice and those people whose queue was cut by them were told off by them to mind their own business.

 

Im not sure whether they are tourists or workers here on work permits but I clarified subsequently they were not locals. Their behavior left a bad taste in everyone's mouths that day. Really really deplorable behavior.

That really is the park management fault, they should firmly refuse to serve them to be fair to others.

 

But the biggest problems I have with these India Indians is their innate hidden caste tendencies, dealing with them as customers, came across the "I'm higher caste than you" attitude that is dam ... argggg

[Karoon]

Had a different type encounter with prcs.

 

On a flight, had a large prc tour group. Many are very elderly, could be some community or what..

 

Problem was with toilets.

 

I suspect they are first time travelling, many didn't know :

 

must q for toilet.

Must close toilet door

Must lock toilet door.

Some, after lock, dunno how to get out.

 

Actually .. I think their guide didn't brief them.

This is simply age and gender discrimination. If the first time flyers are 18 yr old village chiobus, the tour guide will wait outside toilet

[Mustank]

This is simply age and gender discrimination. If the first time flyers are 18 yr old village chiobus, the tour guide will wait outside toilet

I will be helping out too

[Atrecord]

Isn't there some fine print that says they can charge you for damages etc etc ? That's why die also need credit card swipe.

 

Same for car rentals

 

But then for the uneducated elderly, especially, who do not own credit cards, then how?

Had a different type encounter with prcs.

 

On a flight, had a large prc tour group. Many are very elderly, could be some community or what..

 

Problem was with toilets.

 

I suspect they are first time travelling, many didn't know :

 

must q for toilet.

Must close toilet door

Must lock toilet door.

Some, after lock, dunno how to get out.

 

Actually .. I think their guide didn't brief them.

 

What you said already not bad hor, if you compare to incidents like this one:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2708316/Airline-passengers-kick-stink-Delta-flight-Beijing-Detroit-Chinese-family-let-toddler-DEFECATE-seat.html

 

 

Airline passengers kick up a stink on Delta flight from Beijing to Detroit after Chinese family let toddler poop on his seat

• Incident occurred on Delta Airlines flight when family laid newspaper on seat
• Passengers watched in horror as he crouched down and passed motion
• Parents refused to take him to toilet despite pleas from passengers and crew
• Incident sparked complaints from travelers after smell wafted through plane
• Social media users in China slam family for 'embarrassing' their homeland

 

[Ronkovic]

That's how they did in the good ol days as they had to check the bar fridge usually and people used to pay cash

This days i just check out by dropping room key and billing system is quite fast 1      

 

Nowadays some hotels have really advanced bar fridges with sensors. 

When I went to check out, the Front Desk staff immediately asked politely to confirm If I had consumed a couple of drinks from the mini-bar as it showed on their system the drinks were removed.

In actual fact, I usually move some of the mini bar stuff to make room for stuff I get from outside (e.g. yogurt, milk, bottled water). So she explained that each time any of the items away are removed, it's automatically detected and sends notification to the central computer. Thereafter, they will get the housekeeping to do a quick check to also confirm. 

[Karoon]

I will be helping out too

There will be a separate, longer queue of volunteers to help the original queue

[Playtime]

 

But then for the uneducated elderly, especially, who do not own credit cards, then how?

 

 

What you said already not bad hor, if you compare to incidents like this one:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2708316/Airline-passengers-kick-stink-Delta-flight-Beijing-Detroit-Chinese-family-let-toddler-DEFECATE-seat.html

 

I must confess, when travelling, I consciously avoid prc less the locals think I'm with them.

I'm sure there are many nice prc ones too, can't take the chance on holiday

[Jamesc]

when i go on tours in this region, i always observe the tour guides pay them special attention. I asked a thai tour-guide once why, he said they would skimp so much that they would resort to lying/cheating eg underdeclare no of people to save on tickets, pressure the tour guides for extra food pax claiming they paid for more, demand free upgrades/freebies, and resort to demanding and boorish behaviour.

 

even in switzerland...

 

https://www.theweek.in/news/world/2019/07/25/swiss-hotel-issues-racist-info-sheet-for-indian-tourists-apologises.html

 

but the hotel had to apologise in the end

 

This is so racist and so wrong.

 

They shouldn't say Indians.

 

They should say Indians only from India.

 

This is a national issue not a race issue.

 

Indians born in Singapore are very different than from India.

 

Just like Chinese born in Singapore are so different than those born in China.

 

The Singapore born Chinese has more in common with the Singapore born Indian than those born in India.

 

Hope no more people playing the race card.

 

[Jamesc]

I think the problem is when race and country have the same name.

 

Like England. Its funny if a man is French but born in England and calls himself English.

 

But a French man born in Canada calling himself Canadian is so natural.

 

Anyway I like ladies from Japan you won't read this hotel with a sign Dear ladies from Japan please behave yourself at breakfast.

 

Anyway this hotel is a business and they should follow Jamesc's no 1 rule of business.

 

Good customers keep bad customers sent to competitors.

 

So keep the young ladies from Japan.

 

People from India sent to other hotels.

 

 

Even people that are not racists when it comes to renting out their condo prefer Korean and Japanese.

 

Mainland Chinese and people from the sub continent not so much.

 

But Chinese ladies from Taiwan very very much.

 

[BanCoe]

Yeap.... happened to me in Norway.... I had bought some fruits and moved some of the stuff inside the bar fridge and a few days later I got a nasty bill for some usd20/- for chocolates and had to slug it out with the Credit Card company and then hotel, seems there are sensors which detect movement but the sillyness is that they never send anyone to go check personally and room service also never bother to check befor ethey shoot out the charges ... they just auto generate the charges ... too smart tech but not intelligent enuff to sense shuffling of items

      

 

Nowadays some hotels have really advanced bar fridges with sensors. 

When I went to check out, the Front Desk staff immediately asked politely to confirm If I had consumed a couple of drinks from the mini-bar as it showed on their system the drinks were removed.

In actual fact, I usually move some of the mini bar stuff to make room for stuff I get from outside (e.g. yogurt, milk, bottled water). So she explained that each time any of the items away are removed, it's automatically detected and sends notification to the central computer. Thereafter, they will get the housekeeping to do a quick check to also confirm. 

 

[Ronkovic]

Yeap.... happened to me in Norway.... I had bought some fruits and moved some of the stuff inside the bar fridge and a few days later I got a nasty bill for some usd20/- for chocolates and had to slug it out with the Credit Card company and then hotel, seems there are sensors which detect movement but the sillyness is that they never send anyone to go check personally and room service also never bother to check befor ethey shoot out the charges ... they just auto generate the charges ... too smart tech but not intelligent enuff to sense shuffling of items

 

Yes, even with technology, it needs also to be complemented with some human touch, especially in the service sector. In my case, I think the service was excellent in the sense that while they have it on their system that you have 'moved' or 'consumed' the items, at least they do a verification and confirmation on their end before making any billing to you upon check out; which is polite and fair.

[Jayy25]

I will share a true story also...regarding our friends from Indians....

 

This happened while I was visiting Universal Studios in Sentosa...just 3 weeks back

 

There was this family of Indians tourists behind me in the queue for the Puss In Boots ride....between us were 2 other families...The queues as you know for those who visited Universal Studios were those long straight zig-zag types.

 

Apparently the particular Indian family didn't like the long queue and wait in the hot weather...so sensing an opportunity they removed the elastic barrier band, (sorry I cant give a proper term for this but is those detachable elastic chords meant to separate lines of queues) and helped themselves to jump all the way to the second line in queue for the ride. Apparently the park wardens were too beezy to notice and those people whose queue was cut by them were told off by them to mind their own business.

 

Im not sure whether they are tourists or workers here on work permits but I clarified subsequently they were not locals. Their behavior left a bad taste in everyone's mouths that day. Really really deplorable behavior.

 

 

you forgotten they have the caste system and so i suspect they reckon we are the low caste compared to them, hence the Q cutting... so do "mind your own business" attitude by them since they are of a higher caste... 

[Mustank]

I must confess, when travelling, I consciously avoid prc less the locals think I'm with them.

I'm sure there are many nice prc ones too, can't take the chance on holiday ð

 

Once in Australia national park.

Was in small group of mixed local and tourist gather at the track side take picture of a small creature.

 

Then this prc family come decided to just bashed into the vegetation to take close up.

I was so embarrassed I quickly left.

I shouldn't.. but I did.

Inside the cubicle right ðð

Hahaha doesn’t matter where

There will be a separate, longer queue of volunteers to help the original queue

All crowd around there

[Karoon]

you forgotten they have the caste system and so i suspect they reckon we are the low caste compared to them, hence the Q cutting... so do "mind your own business" attitude by them since they are of a higher caste...

Maybe this contributes. I was on a flight and across the aisle was a non-india family seated surrounded by India tourists. The tourists talked and passed items through them like the family was not there. Very rude. 0 empathy or respect of people outside their circle.