Worst Decision ever - buying a Stuttgart Auto Macan

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Hi all

 

Sorry haven't been as active as I used to be, what with selling the GTR (and embracing fatherhood wholeheartedly). While selling that GTR was one of the hardest decisions to make, the worst decision I ever made was buying a Macan from Stuttgart Auto (SA). This is going to be a very, very long post. But if you are considering buying a Macan from Stuttgart Auto, I'd highly advise you to read this post in its entirety (and come to your own conclusions). Everything here is extracted from emails / whatsapp correspondences and copies can be given to the mods to verify if what I say below is true.

 

So I got my 2L Macan in October 2016 and since then, it's hands down, the worst car I have ever owned in my life. A couple of you already know what SA has put me through, and how many problems have occurred (or keep re-occuring) with it, especially ones that concerned vehicle safety (and not to mention the sheer amount of time they have wasted in making me jump through hoops, or just by thinking they know better than the customer, always.)

 

My first problem started in early January 2017, about 3 months after collection (I was away for most of December - final holiday with the wife before the baby was due), and during heavy rainpours, I began to notice that my side view mirrors would completely fog up to the point of zero visibility. Having driven several cars (and in the states as well, in minus 30 degree weather no less), this was probably the first time in my life I ever noticed of both side view mirrors fogging so heavily, that nothing could be seen out of them, and at times, I felt I was driving blind because I could literally see nothing.

 

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(according to SA, this is considered normal behavior, despite it occurring many, many times)

 

On January 23rd, I informed my SE, who told me to just buy some rainX and apply it myself. Alright fine, for a new car, I thought, maybe just suay or the rain must have been one-off super heavy kind, so let me try my luck. I bought rainX and of course, a few days later during heavy rain, it didn't work. So I went back to my SE and she asked me to try another brand. Ok lah, chin chye, give and take, maybe rainX isnt what it used to be. I go on amazon, find the highest rated hydrophobic solution and buy it. All in all, I spent $40 or $50 on these solutions, hoping one of them would just solve the damn problem, so that I could move on with my life (wife was due soon, and I was ferrying her everywhere, and its damn stressful when your wife is 8 months pregnant and the stupid car poses a danger in rain)

 

February 3rd - during a massive thunderstorm (in Tiong Bahru), both mirrors fog up completely. By this time, I'm livid. I've sent SA several photos documenting the issue and because of the rainy season, the mirrors constantly fog up. I am told they will "investigate".

 

On February 9th, one of SA's staff asks me for all the pictures so he can forward them "to the factory" for advice. Fair enough, here's a couple of pictures for you to forward (during different times no less) showing the issue.

 

February 14th & 21st - I ask for updates, and get the run around. Seems I need to be patient for the "factory" to reply. (on a brighter note, baby arrives safe and sound)

 

February 24th - I am instructed to leave the car with SA for them to check the electrical work in the mirror, to make sure the heating element works. Sounds simple enough, hopefully thats the culprit and we can all move on with life.

 

February 27th - I am told that the diagnostics detected no issues and my car is working as God and Porsche intended, and SA has taken zero steps to rectify my problem (despite providing, up to this point, 20-30 photos and some videos). I assume they need more evidence. My focus is on the baby so I decide to take the car back first since SA cant do anything, anyway.

 

March 1st - I send in even more photos of not being able to see out of the side view mirrors. A friend, who was in the same location, at the same time, drives his car and takes photos of his subaru's side view mirror. Guess what .. mine are completely fogged up as usual, his are crystal clear (we both used iphones -> this part is important) I send in this set of photos for comparison. I am told SA has finally agreed to do me a big favour" to change just the mirrors themselves, as there is nothing wrong with the side view mirror housing or electricals. OK, perhaps the mirrors themselves have issue. But not sure why I had to beg for 2 months. I guess SA didnt take my safty aspect seriously? (first car is mine, of course)

 

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March 7th - new mirrors installed. However, by this time, the rain isn't as heavy as we are not able to test them out. By this time, the car has spent more than a few days at SA for their testing / diagnostics etc

 

April 9th - massive downpour. I send SA more photos of the mirrors completely fogging up. By this time, I have about 50-60 photos. I inform SA. They told me to make sure the defogger / demister is running and to monitor. OK sure.

 

April 16th - Problem is still just as bad and its impossible to see. Droplets are not even rolling off the mirrors for crying out loud. I press SA for an answer, to which they say they will file a warranty claim and let me know if it gets approved. But thats the extent of what they can assist me with.

 

In the interim, I borrow another Macan and manage to drive it out during a heavy thunderstorm. It shows no signs of fogging / beading at all. I send them some photos (they reply 2 days later as below)

 

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April 20th - SA suggests they will apply their own hydrophobic solution that they have. I suggest a deadline to get this issue fixed, but SA ignores my request. I bring in the car, sit around wasting my time for an hour / hour and a half while they applying their own magic sauce to the mirrors.

 

April 21st - heavy rain, same problem. I send about 5 more pictures of the mirrors fogged up and get a "thumbs up" reply.

 

April 26th - the car is sent in for "repairs" again. Though I'm not sure what they did ...

 

May 12th - foggy mirrors yet again. So even though by now, the car has spent between 1-2 weeks at SA with no results to show for it. SA says they will check with "their warranty guy" again. at this junction, this has dragged on for 4 months with very little in terms of solutions. I guess its time for them to keep the car and figure out whats going on since there's been heavy downpours. Not much else I can do at this junction.

 

May 18th - Car swop time. I leave my macan behind while SA keeps it for testing. They give me a pretty old Cayenne. The Cayenne exhibits zero problems in the heavy rain. I take several pictures of their cayenne showing how clear the mirror is in the rain. For an almost decade old Cayenne, it shows zero fogging issues.

 

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May 26th - I am informed by SA my macan has no issues. However, they tell me that the heating element in the mirror only kicks in at 21 degrees celcius (really guys? when has SG ever dropped to 21 degrees?) I ask if they can be recoded to something higher, like .. 25 or 26 degrees for when it rains. I am told this is highly unlikely. But that SA will continue to check with Porsche. He says he drives with the aircon at 19 degrees and when he drives it is clear, but he is unsure if the rain is actually heavy. I tell him I've never really slept in a room or drive a car with the aircon set so low, and other people with macans are not required to drive at 19 degrees aircon .. so that cant possibly be a solution...

 

May 27th - SA's loaner Cayenne begins massively leaking. There's water everywhere and it seems the car hasn't been serviced. I am not surprised at this junction they didnt even bother to service their own loaner cars by this junction (see pictures). The leaks are so bad, my shoes were soaked through the first day their car sprung a leak. I kick up a fuss. I mean, if they cant even be bothered to fix their own cars, how can I entrust them with mine? I am told the aircon choked when I return it .. but its not as if aircon chokes occur overnight. There's literally a sloshing sound in the car whenever I turn left or right. But at least the side view mirrors work in this loaner, so I have that going for me ...

 

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May 30th - SA agrees to take back the shitty cayenne and replace it with a newer one "as a favour". Up to this point, My Macan has spent at least 2 weeks with them, in addition to the one and a half weeks that they already held on to it. As this point (remember the part about the iphone?), SA claims that the mirrors are fine and its because I used an iphone, thats why the photos appear foggy! Im surprised, my eyes must be really shitty then as well. SA basically insinuates there is no problem with the car (this part is very important). I am quite taken back by this. At this junction there was 104 pictures and 4 videos but now I am highly skeptical they will try to fix the problem. It seems I am being told to bugger off, and that most likely I am the problem, but the car works perfectly. My optometrist deserves to be shot for telling me I have 20/20 vision

 

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June 2nd - SA says they will hold on to my macan for more testing. The new cayenne also doesnt show any signs of fogging in heavy rain. I document this (with an iphone, of course) and send them some photos and videos ... the rain is heavy enough that you can hear it loudly in the video hitting the roof, but again, zero fogging / beading By now, the car has spent a month with SA.

 

June 6th - After 3 weeks total, SA said they simply changed the mirrors again. Thats it. No changing of electrical or side view mirror housing. HOWEVER, at this point, their workshop service manager (it was escalated to him by the workshop manager) tells me verbally, that actually, this fogging issue is a known Porsche issue but only affects a very small amount of cars in south east asia, with no known fix at this time. While I am dumbfounded, I carry on the conversation. When I leave, I whatsapp SA's workshop service manager again to confirm what he said, that my car is one of the handful of cars that exhibit this issue. He confirms the same via whatsapp. I am at a loss for words at this time, because SA has allowed me to drive around in this car, while knowing my main reason for getting this car was for ferrying the baby around, and now claim to have known the entire time certain cars were affected by this issue. I even ask him if he would like to add on anything, to which he replies there is none. Meaning I have literally wasted 5 months of my time, including more than 1 month of repairs.

 

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I go back to work angry. I write an email to someone higher up in SA and highlight what I've just found out.

 

June 7th - The "higher up" from SA says the workshop service manager is wrong, and my car is experiencing some "weather phenomenon" aka humidity. According to him, I should give rainX another shot. According to this higher up, my mistake was using an iPhone, as it doesnt know how to focus, causing the side view mirror to appear blurry (and here's the kicker, they send me photos of the side view mirrors using a samsung galaxy phone and then telling me that while I cant use an iphone to document the issue, they are fine to use their own samsung galaxy phone to document their claim that there is no problems ... talk about double standards... they literally said .."digital pictures do not assist us in this concern" ..meaning what .. I need to carry a 35mm camera, pull over in the rain, point and shoot?) and when I called them out on the double standards, of course, they claim I have misunderstood their point as there are "a high number of variables for matters of vision and said pictures cannot be relied upon at all".

 

All this hard work for their senior guy to try and make it my fault, after his own staff gave me a b&w confirmation my car has an issue. Do I believe the guy working in the workshop, or the suit?

 

Eventually however, SA finally agrees to change the side view mirror after I wave their staff's confirmation. They change the entire housing and guess what ... problem is mostly gone. But it took 6 months, and of that, 5 months wasted, and making sure I kept thinking it was my fault, when they knew or suspected otherwise.

 

And the problems keep getting better ...

 

In August 2018 - as I am driving to work, (I use cruise control alot in the KPE tunnel), my car experiences a rapid deceleration and an error 'ACC fault'. I figure this must be a one off, but I was quite shocked. Good thing nobody was behind me when the car decelerated (my foots always on the brake when using CC, i thought heck, maybe i stepped on it slightly). My mistake was thinking this was a one off, since over the next week, the issue occurs randomly, 3 more times. I inform SA and I am told to keep monitoring. Problem keeps coming back more frequently. They say to send in the car for repair, which I do, since the ESP warning also comes on. When the issue occurs, it constantly flashes a yellow warning triangle...so i figure this is an issue that definitely needs looking at. SA keeps the car for a week, and then I am told nothing is done, since they couldn't replicate the problem, despite me sending them at least 2-3 pictures of the issue occurring at different instances. I guess I have have been bulls**tting both those times, since the pictures arent good enough for SA ... or maybe its my 'depth of vision" problem at work ...

 

For 3 weeks, the car works fine. I'm finally hopefully all the problems are gone. But as you can see from the length of this post, we are only halfway through! Problem crops right back up, with the warning causing the car to flash the warning and disengaging from CC. (At this junction, the aircon also has issues, as there is a strange smell coming through everyday now). I inform SA, especially since the issue keeps occurring more frequently. Unfortunately, SA has no spare car and tells me I need to wait for a replacement car. (or, I can send in the car, and take a cab everywhere at my own expense). I forgo using cruise control for the moment, but the warning light remains. Everytime I start the car, it reminds me that ESP/ABS has malfunctioned and I should get a dealer to look at it, but alas SA cant do much for me. Finally, a friend tells me to just call the towing hotline and they will come tow, and then only they will release a loaner. I'm dumbfounded by this roundabout method but give it a shot. it works. SA has let me drive around with a car with safety issues for the second time running, with no concern about my safety. Im not really surprised at this company any more.

 

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By october, the aircon is still having issues and now the entire aircon system needs to be replaced. car spends another 1-2 weeks for them to rip out the dashboard and replace part of the aircon system. Luckily during this period, the loaner car is a BMW and works fantastic. They do offer me the option of taking a porsche loaner as soon as it becomes available, but i decline.

 

(also, the ECU issue was solved by replacing one of the engine solenoids, repairing the active cruise control and replacing the lane departure camera, as they claimed that function was causing the car to decelerate out of the norm)

By this time, its already mid-november. In 2 years, the car has spent approximately 3mths under repair.

 

March 2019 - passenger side window refuses to go up. After a few tries, something inside the door "cracks" and then the window is able to go up. but now everytime the window goes up and down, there's a cracking sound. I inform SA. As usual, I am told to "bring in the car for repairs". I'm beginning to feel this is a euphemism for something ... the repair requires 3 days at the very least, so I told SA I have no choice but to wait till the next servicing, and just not use the bloody window till then.

 

April 2019 - I park the car for a short while and come back to it. The min I start it, the car says its overheating (I've driven it like literally, just out of my house carpark), and the car warns me to pull over immediately. I do that. looks to me like a coolant leak. I inform SA, who then tell me to drive the car in, since I am abt 10 min away from them. By the time I reach SA, due to the lack of coolant, the engine warning light is red on the dashboard.

 

They hoist the car up and examine the under carriage and open the bonnet. "Looks like no problem to us .. we will just top up your coolant and send you on your merry way". I ask them if they are sure, and yup, its ok, so i bugger off. i mean, what do I know about cars? obviously telling them there's a coolant leak meant jack shit, since they obviously feel the customer is a moron who doesn't know what he is talking about ...

 

Not even 1 week later, the car breaks down at work. I open up the bonnet. Every single drop of coolant is gone. I inform SA. Unfortunately, its 630pm on a weekday, so they cant help me. Eventually the car needs to be towed. Yet another case of SA simply thinking their customer is an idiot and not believing the customer. (at this junction, they take another week and a half to repair the passenger window and coolant tank, which incidentally, was cracked)

 

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At this junction, I email the MD of SA because this is bulls**t. After much back and forth, as a "one off goodwill gesture", Porsche/SA have agreed to extend my macan's warranty to 7 years after all I've been through. I tell myself, well, this beats going the legal route, I hope ... They also ask me whether I'd like to trade in the current macan for a facelifted one. So, after going through all these problems, I guess when the old one is broken, just buy a new one?

 

Mid July 2019 - aircon problem is back. Yay. I inform SA. They said they will check. Havent heard from them since then (as of 24/7/2019)

 

19th July 2019 ... yup its not over! Driver side window breaks down. it cant be wound up fully. It needs several presses just to get to the top. Yay. Just like star wars, the windows have found a way to balance themselves since its the driver's side turn now. (incidentally, this has been reported on friday 22nd july, so now there are 2 more repairs and based on previous experience, the car is going to need another 1-2 weeks of downtime. )

 

So in summary, the car has been repaired 6 times. It is pending 2 more repairs. One of the issues has now occurred for the third time. And as with everything in life, a couple of members here have seen the actual correspondences / whatsapp screenshots but have done me the courtesy of not forwarding them around for the time being.

 

However, SA firmly believes they have done right by me and said everything has been fixed as per it should be. According to them, this car, is most definitely, not a lemon. And hence, too bad, so sad for me.

Long time no see bro. I'm so sorry you're having these issues.

 

Porsche sg is simply not a company I wish to deal with.

 

They're under the same parent company but McLaren does tend to treat one better in my experience.

[Lala81]

too big of a loss lah. in fact i made them an offer, i didnt even ask for 100% money back even though lemon law could have been used earlier on (based on what their own staff gave b&w) ..

 

i told them, ill take $1/km driven (so far abt 36 or 36k km). minus from my cost becomes abt $250k, for all the troubles you guys have given me, and still not able to solve the problem.

 

they did counter offer, but much much lower. (based on trade in value i assume only plus a bit more). but nowhere close to my number, else i may have accepted and move on. im also reasonable, but i guess they really want me as a customer.

 

bring outside then got problem. they will void the warranty.

 

 

money is one thing. Your mental health is another thing.

I mean my blood will be boiling if i had to take this stupid nonsense about bloody wing mirrors over and over again. Hence i said you're patient.

 

Sometimes lose $$ is cut loss, take the hit and move on.

[Beregond]

 

 

i read every word from start to finish.

 

i really feel for u .

 

i think, tahan 1 more year just trade in for another 1........

 

this type of stuff will make ppl high blood pressure

[macrosszero]

My basic Japanese car has wing mirrors with no fancy element to work or fail, and I can rely on it rain or shine. What’s so special about a Porsche wing mirror?

 

(Sorry, I’m a peasant)

[Sunset73]

I can feel your fury bro. Imagine spending so much $$ on a Porsche and it turned out to be a lemon. I think you're just unlucky bro. I believe there are defects for every dont know how many number of cars that rolled out of the factory.

 

And the thing is, SA really sucks based on what you have mentioned. But buying from PI is also not a good bet either?

[Calvintjs]

I am somehow in the same scenario with my VW jetta. Thou mine is bought as management unit from VW pre-owned section. Since last year Aug.

Aug 18: ABS light before collection.

Jan 19: CEL came on

Apr 19: CEL came on

Jul 19: CEL came on

Jul 19: CEL came on (1 week after prev collection)

Jul 19: CEL came on (2 days after prev collection)

 

In btwn somewhere i did send in for Steering and ABS, Battery change. My unit also have juddering issue but VW says nothing abnormal found. I email VW @ AG. This is what replied

 

“Regarding your request, we would like to state that now as before quality and safety stand in first place for us, and that we do everything possible to offer our customers vehicles that are long-lasting and reliable; i.e. which run trouble-free for many years. However, like any other manufacturer we are, regrettably, unable to guarantee that every component which goes into the complex build of a motor vehicle will never fail.

Like no other product of the modern technique, an automobile is subject to many different conditions, so that individual cases in which faults occur can never be completely avoided.

In case you are experiencing difficulties with your Volkswagen, please do not hesitate to contact our responsible Volkswagen organisation in your country who will gladly assist you and clarify your questions.”

[RogerNg_185295]

too big of a loss lah. in fact i made them an offer, i didnt even ask for 100% money back even though lemon law could have been used earlier on (based on what their own staff gave b&w) ..

 

i told them, ill take $1/km driven (so far abt 36 or 36k km). minus from my cost becomes abt $250k, for all the troubles you guys have given me, and still not able to solve the problem.

 

they did counter offer, but much much lower. (based on trade in value i assume only plus a bit more). but nowhere close to my number, else i may have accepted and move on. im also reasonable, but i guess they really want me as a customer.

 

 

bring outside then got problem. they will void the warranty.

How much you bought it and how old is the car now?

[sashing]

After reading your unpleasant experiences with SA, it just proves my pick to go with the BMW X3 3.0 is right. 

 

Porsche Macan 2.0L: 

Power: 188 (252bhp)

Torque: 370Nm

 

BMW X3 3.0: 

Power: 185 (248bhp)

Torque: 350Nm

* You can consider. Prior to this, i was considering Macan, X3, Q5 and XC60. 

 

I find that they are irresponsible for giving you those excuses such as:  

 

1) experiencing some "weather phenomenon" aka humidity

2) mistake was using an iPhone

 

For BMW, I have just done my first servicing of 12K with them, and the experience is good and professional. I understand there are a fair share of unpleasant experiences with BMW also, but i believe it happens to all the other brands. 

 

I "double thumb up" on those good experiences with Tan Chong. My wife drives a Qashqai, and so far, Tan Chong takes pride in their work and replaces every thing that is highlighted.

 

FYI; brake pads are also covered by them during annual maintenance servicing which is included in their servicing coverage period. 

 

Safe drive for you and your family. 

Edited July 24, 2019 by sashing

[RogerNg_185295]

My basic Japanese car has wing mirrors with no fancy element to work or fail, and I can rely on it rain or shine. Whatâs so special about a Porsche wing mirror?

 

(Sorry, Iâm a peasant)

Its got some electrical element inside the mirror housing. Edited July 24, 2019 by RogerNg_185295

[Airwaver]

 

Bro, try this $2 fix see it helps.

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[andrewyewkc]

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Bro, try this $2 fix see it helps.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33046108765.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.42d2375dzC2wCq&algo_pvid=0f651c41-7bb6-4742-b58c-15893564983a&algo_expid=0f651c41-7bb6-4742-b58c-15893564983a-8&btsid=1beddd18-69c1-4fd5-88bc-135142c93d1d&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0%2Csearchweb201602_8%2Csearchweb201603_60

This is German technology?

[macrosszero]

Its got some electrical element inside the mirror housing.

I know, I can read that. But what’s so special about the Porsche mirror design that makes it dependent on the heating element working when many many other cars can remain clear and functional without such a heating element?

[Lala81]

I know, I can read that. But what’s so special about the Porsche mirror design that makes it dependent on the heating element working when many many other cars can remain clear and functional without such a heating element?

 

haha german technology. Cannot use simple method to get the water to drip away or being slightly recessed 

 

Reminds me of the Tiger tanks in WW2 vs the Russian T-34.

[Sp4wn]

Long time no see bro. I'm so sorry you're having these issues.

 

Porsche sg is simply not a company I wish to deal with.

 

They're under the same parent company but McLaren does tend to treat one better in my experience.

 

hai tell me about it bro ... i told them after this im swearing off porsche for the rest of my life. even if they make the best goddamn car in the world in the future, ill never buy a porsche

money is one thing. Your mental health is another thing.

I mean my blood will be boiling if i had to take this stupid nonsense about bloody wing mirrors over and over again. Hence i said you're patient.

 

Sometimes lose $$ is cut loss, take the hit and move on.

 

the problem is they want me to lose money for them not being able to solve the problem.

taking my $ is easy

but giving good service is apparently not ...

 

i just got a whatsapp from them now finally asking when i can bring in the car for the next round of repairs liao (after sending the MD my email this morning )

I can feel your fury bro. Imagine spending so much $$ on a Porsche and it turned out to be a lemon. I think you're just unlucky bro. I believe there are defects for every dont know how many number of cars that rolled out of the factory.

 

And the thing is, SA really sucks based on what you have mentioned. But buying from PI is also not a good bet either?

 

i think really suay. i know a few macan owners super happy with their car. 3-4 years old with zero problems. 

mine can have ecu / aircon  etc problems. but according to SA, this is NORMAL lol

[Silver_blade]

SA really silly to not help to solve the issue once and for all, or offer to buy back your current @ yearly depreciation and sell you a new one at a discount or extended service package. Surely, they can do that since there only a handful Macans have this problem, ie. factory defect, and in doing so, win a customer over? 

[Testdrive2011]

too big of a loss lah. in fact i made them an offer, i didnt even ask for 100% money back even though lemon law could have been used earlier on (based on what their own staff gave b&w) ..

 

i told them, ill take $1/km driven (so far abt 36 or 36k km). minus from my cost becomes abt $250k, for all the troubles you guys have given me, and still not able to solve the problem.

 

they did counter offer, but much much lower. (based on trade in value i assume only plus a bit more). but nowhere close to my number, else i may have accepted and move on. im also reasonable, but i guess they really want me as a customer.

 

bring outside then got problem. they will void the warranty.

 

sorry correct me if i'm wrong but i thought now they cannot say void the warranty because of third party workshop? or is it porsche not included inside?

https://www.mycarforum.com/topic/2706922-now-ads-cannot-void-your-warranty/

[Lala81]

hai tell me about it bro ... i told them after this im swearing off porsche for the rest of my life. even if they make the best goddamn car in the world in the future, ill never buy a porsche

 

the problem is they want me to lose money for them not being able to solve the problem.

taking my $ is easy

but giving good service is apparently not ...

 

i just got a whatsapp from them now finally asking when i can bring in the car for the next round of repairs liao (after sending the MD my email this morning )

 

i think really suay. i know a few macan owners super happy with their car. 3-4 years old with zero problems. 

mine can have ecu / aircon  etc problems. but according to SA, this is NORMAL lol

 

think i mentioned before, that my friend used to own a normal cayman about 8 years back.

He bought it pre-owned, maybe 1+ year old. He owned it for somewhere around <1.5 years, and it broke down 3 times. As in not driveable. 

Edited July 24, 2019 by Lala81

[Sugimoto]

hai tell me about it bro ... i told them after this im swearing off porsche for the rest of my life. even if they make the best goddamn car in the world in the future, ill never buy a porsche

 

To be fair for Porsche, they really made very good cars like 911, Boxster & Panamera model.

 

The rest are just Audi or VW cars with Porsche badge.

Edited July 24, 2019 by Sugimoto