Sad case of the Woodlands murder

[Staff69]

pcc .

 

Damn....3 birds with 1 stone

[Wind30]

I don't know about others but myself personally I have gotten so angry during quarrels that lost control and threw stuff, on the floor luckily...

 

That is why I sort of can understand what that guy went through I guess... Especially I am in a much better situation than him... so I can't imagine what it is like for him.

 

To me, it is just a sad case... no villians, only victims...

 

For me, the news story is an advice to treasure what I have, don't get angry over things that are irrelevant in the long run. 

[Ash2017]

But you said:

"Most are judging using their high moral Dick head to judge"

"you must live a blissful life"

"from your writing I am guessing you think people who do suicide are losers"

"you have yet to witness the fragility of people"

 

So how are you different/not doing the exact thing you are preaching against ("Don't be quick to judge")?

 

you obviously playing with words

 

you cant take out sentences out and use it for your means

 

 

there is a difference in passing judgement that can lead to death sentence

 

and making statements to wake people up from their mindset 

 

 

 

 

I have no wish to go on, you win liao

[Acemundo]

I don't know about others but myself personally I have gotten so angry during quarrels that lost control and threw stuff, on the floor luckily...

 

That is why I sort of can understand what that guy went through I guess... Especially I am in a much better situation than him... so I can't imagine what it is like for him.

 

To me, it is just a sad case... no villians, only victims...

 

For me, the news story is an advice to treasure what I have, don't get angry over things that are irrelevant in the long run. 

 

 

hehe for me, i have punched the wall before when i gotten very angry.

 

perhaps i didn't feel it right to unleash my anger at others rather than just myself and the inanimate wall.

 

i know my hand will feel painful after hitting the wall, and maybe that serves as a form of distraction for my anger or liberation of sorts.

[Watwheels]

I think both the men who killed their own and failed to kill themselves is not because they lack the courage to do so. It's what they went through the emotional pain and have to go through with the physical pain of suicide is too much to bear. They are looking for some "easier" or a less painful death. This Teo tried to swallow 100 panadol failed in the suicide attempt. He stayed in the house for a week  with the charred body I think he was trying many ways to find an easier way to die.

[Beregond]

hehe for me, i have punched the wall before when i gotten very angry.

 

perhaps i didn't feel it right to unleash my anger at others rather than just myself and the inanimate wall.

 

i know my hand will feel painful after hitting the wall, and maybe that serves as a form of distraction for my anger or liberation of sorts.

Last time when i had depression and anger management issue. i drive like a mad man ........

 

i am lucky i didnt kill any 1 or get into any incident.........

 

the steam just had to come out somewhere anywhere,

 

or u will explode.........

[Celicar]

you obviously playing with words

 

you cant take out sentences out and use it for your means

 

 

there is a difference in passing judgement that can lead to death sentence

 

and making statements to wake people up from their mindset 

 

 

 

 

I have no wish to go on, you win liao

If you say so.

 

I didn't know that the words here amount to "passing judgement that can lead to death sentence" but hey, you learn something new everyday, especially if it improves my morals.

[Ronkovic]

Double murder. Seems likely to be the gallows.

 

It really depends in the context of this case and what other details or information slowly emerge for both the Prosecutors and Defence to present for or against Teo. 

 

To my understanding, in the legal sense, 'murder' usually has to be clear-cut and premeditated. 

For example, someone had already planned in advance, bought expensive insurance for wife and child where he is the beneficiary; Later put the 2 in a situation where they will meet with their death and try to make it look like an accident e.g. fall off cliff during vacation sightseeing; or maybe hire people to kill the wife and child. Or perhaps you lure innocent children with the sole intention of killing them as part of a sacrifice for occult practices. (For example, Anthony Ler, Adrian Lim)

 

In Teo's case, I would opine that his lawyers would try to argue on the defence of 'diminished responsibility', whereby it would not amount to murder if it was established that he was not in the right mental state of mind when he killed his wife. This would not just come from his testimony obviously, but a decision will be made after assessing inputs from witnesses and medical experts as well. 

 

Whatever it is, he will pay the price for what he has done - Jail term, Death Penalty, or whatever. There is no doubt about that. 

Perhaps by putting his wife and children, living and unborn to death; and failing to kill himself; along with the prospect of having to live with what he's done for the rest of his life in prison if he is not hanged, that is already punishment in itself.

Edited July 5, 2019 by Ronkovic

[Mockngbrd]

So depressed and wanto die liao should just go be a drug mule. If caught, den no difference. If no caught, debts settled.

[Lala81]

pcc .

 

not if u are watching porn to do it. porn short circuits parts of your brain.

Hence why some men feel that no-fap changes their lives.

recently my youngest son switched from pcf to a more expensive childcare.  my wife was also the one pushing for it at the start and the scrooge in me just wonders if it is worth paying more, albeit me wondering silently.  it turned out quite well actually, we can see he much happier and learn much more words and communicate better after the switch.

 

but i do agree with you all, the motherly instinct is always more likely to want the girl to go to better preschool centre.

 

yes, he tried to run, fabricate stories or cover up the deceit.....not the type that entirely lose their mind.  i can agree he is facing some sort of stress and difficulty but he cracked too easily too flippantly.

 

My best friend's 3 year old son also had some problems at the workplace childcare. His elder sister no issues there.

They took a while to decide but finally they changed to another significantly more expensive childcare, behavior much improved as well.

But they are lucky that the wife's workplace has 3 childcare centers just nearby. So minimal disruption to routine. Or else dropping 2 kids off at separate childcares is quite troublesome.

[PSP415]

I think both the men who killed their own and failed to kill themselves is not because they lack the courage to do so. It's what they went through the emotional pain and have to go through with the physical pain of suicide is too much to bear. They are looking for some "easier" or a less painful death. This Teo tried to swallow 100 panadol failed in the suicide attempt. He stayed in the house for a week with the charred body I think he was trying many ways to find an easier way to die.

Frankly i believe at the start he did try to kill himself. But as days passed, either the resolution weaken or he was still trying to find the least painful. The easiest is actually....nvm. Dun want to encourage suicide.

 

Haiz

 

Is he contesting the murder charges now? That he did not murder them? That there was a suicide pact etc? He's wants to go with a "clean" name? If he's clean, how to hang to death if not murder charges? That does not fit the image of one seeking death. How to reunite with his family then? Life imprisonment till natural death?

 

Hopefully truth is established and he gets his just desserts. Pls spare the kiddo(s) from adult problems. They did not have a choice to chose you both as parents. Let them live.

 

Safe ride

[Kusje]

How much does an expensive kindergarten cost ah?

 

I am paying 750 per mth for those neighborhood private ones (after working mom subsidy).

[Cheesey74]

Why must bring religion into it?

 

Heaven is use in almost all religion so it's commonly use to express one's idea or sentiments.. so what's wrong with it using this generic word?

[Kusje]

I agree. He does lie. He been caught lying on several occasions (eg when the deceased brother confronted him). He's definitely not those really mentally ill type where they just sit there drenched in blood and waiting for police to come.

That's why he doesn't deserve a manslaughter charge.

 

But the not taking the child out of the expensive private kindergarten ... I can believe that it's the wife's insistence that this continued on despite their obvious financial difficulty. my wife also thought the same.

 

I think it was mentioned that he wanted the wife to go to work as well so they can get the working mom subsidy.

 

Wife not working at all? Is the kid at a full day childcare?

 

I think part of the problem is that he used to make 8-15k per mth. Maybe wife thought she could be tai-tai.

Heaven is use in almost all religion so it's commonly use to express one's idea or sentiments.. so what's wrong with it using this generic word?

 

It's religion nonetheless. 

[PSP415]

Last time when i had depression and anger management issue. i drive like a mad man ........

 

i am lucky i didnt kill any 1 or get into any incident.........

 

the steam just had to come out somewhere anywhere,

 

or u will explode.........

Agree.

 

Toughest to master own anger and must vent thru a non destructive channel.

 

I usually go deaf. No answering and will walk off or out of house. Cos anger once unleashed, i also dun recognise myself then. Scary that within can be a monster so destructive.

 

Now old liao. Things dun weigh so much these days. Just dun mind what ppl say or think so much until life is a misery. I learnt to accept opinions of others as there are really matters not clear cut as black or white. Emotions always mix the colours into many shades of grey. Who can say what others went thru and how things are handled.

 

I play badminton to destress. And i come here to rant.

[Acemundo]

How much does an expensive kindergarten cost ah?

 

I am paying 750 per mth for those neighborhood private ones (after working mom subsidy).

 

i was told the expensive ones like eaton, pats could be 1500 after subsidy....

 

my one is $550 after subsidy.

 

pcf and myfirstskool is usually 350 after subsidy.

[Lala81]

Actually the boss also has not much reason to lie. Already in jail and I doubt defending a murderer is going to win you any points for your appeal or be considered good behavior for early release.

 

Accused also won't have any benefits to give you in the future.

 

That's what a normal person thinks.

But you have not met a pathological liar yet. I've known one before.

They literally live a lie. 

They tell you a lie just because they can. I mean it's so convincing that it took us several years to even understand how much she lied about (other than the normal white lies). 

 

I guess some of these people are scammers. Cos they lie so naturally until it's second nature. It's like the marketing spiel u get from a good salesman, but these individuals (at least the one i met) lie about every single facet of their life. Until even their friends/colleagues don't know what's going on.

i was told the expensive ones like eaton, pats could be 1500 after subsidy....

 

my one is $550 after subsidy.

 

pcf and myfirstskool is usually 350 after subsidy.

 

Err, thought kindergarten has no working mum subsidy i thought?

Only half day childcare.

 

A church kindergarten (morning only) will be around 300-400+. i think some can go up to 500+ (? st james but i can't remember the fees already).

A private kindergarten (1 session only) usually should be below 1k bah. I'm paying around 800+.

 

Half day childcare at the more expensive ones will be around 1200-1300+ or above.

My sis recently asked about a Pat's schoolhouse, full day is now $2k 

Edited July 5, 2019 by Lala81

[Watwheels]

Frankly i believe at the start he did try to kill himself. But as days passed, either the resolution weaken or he was still trying to find the least painful. The easiest is actually....nvm. Dun want to encourage suicide.

 

Haiz

 

Is he contesting the murder charges now? That he did not murder them? That there was a suicide pact etc? He's wants to go with a "clean" name? If he's clean, how to hang to death if not murder charges? That does not fit the image of one seeking death. How to reunite with his family then? Life imprisonment till natural death?

 

Hopefully truth is established and he gets his just desserts. Pls spare the kiddo(s) from adult problems. They did not have a choice to chose you both as parents. Let them live.

 

Safe ride

 

It's something we will ever understand. Maybe he doesn't want the child to live knowing the tragedy of the father killing the mother. It can be an emotional torture for the child. Or whether the father wants the family to die together. Like I have mentioned it will never make sense simply because the man's sanity has snapped. Something we will never comprehend. Like the other Teo the Johnboy John. Both fathers did the same thing. To be honest I dont really want to know why. The thought itself is too difficult.

 

No sane father will plan or decide,"son/girl, today you die!". It's too dramatic even for tv.

 

No! Nobody sane will do that. Only the ones that are insane or crazy or snap (no, not Thanos). Stop saying as though ppl will choose or decide to end their children's life. Prease stop saying this already. It's sad enough.

Edited July 5, 2019 by Watwheels