Cab companies could be allowed to bid for COEs

[Mann123]

not exactly true, we will get our chance to exercise our voting rights once every few years.  If PAP still gets 70% or more, means most sinkies still can accept govt's policies such as POFMA, CPF etc etc... 

 

true!  As i said in previous post, More we speak about these policies more the topic will become political 

[Mockngbrd]

Must be PHV companies KPKB to Gahmen say unfair to them Teksi only need to pay PQP. Want Gahmen move PHV to same like Teksi. So now Gahmen going to make same lo.

[Fcw75]

Didn’t earn enuff from COE revenue...

[Lotr]

Must be PHV companies KPKB to Gahmen say unfair to them Teksi only need to pay PQP. Want Gahmen move PHV to same like Teksi. So now Gahmen going to make same lo.

Cover story #opinion

[Ganwb79]

Why worry about COE? Better worry your jobs. Bills to pay.

If you can't keep up with bills then indeed shouldn't talk coe. Then you come to this thread gong simi :)

[Blublak]

Really meh? I still find it so difficult to get a teksi/grab when I need one.

 

this i agree! esp in punggol sia....CCB

 

[Tvios]

Think they foresee a economy slow down. So must squeeze those people who drive. But taxi/phv are making money, coe is a cost thus the companies can incr price to cover. Household drivers r not making money out of coe, so taxi/phv should pay more

[Mockngbrd]

Today I take mrt. #irrelavent

[Ody_2004]

Today I take mrt. #irrelavent

 

Tomorrow i take bus #fakenews

[Octopus]

Just curious, how come public buses such as SBS transit, SMRT, etc do not need to bid for Cat C COE for their fleet? Is it because they are 'public transport'? If so, then current system that Taxi, which is also 'public transport', being excluded from COE bidding is correct, no?

[Octopus]

This is not true. Garmen wants them to buy cars, but not at cheap prices. They want them to pay expensive COE, ARF Road Tax, Petrol Dutiesnyo support the high celery.

 

If really car lite and all stop buying, the coffees will probably have at least 10 Bn shortfall.

 

Donald Trump still has a lot to learn from Singapore. We can impose "tariff" of 300% to cars coming to Singapore, but the trade war between USA and China only 25% and they making so much noise.....

 

[Octopus]

Buses can carry 30-80 people in the space occupied by 2 cars.

 

Taxi can carry 4-5 people in the space occupied by 1 car.

 

COE is about managing congestion. Do the math

 

 

I am asking how come Category C COE only for Private Buses such as Excursion Buses, Private Buses and Private Hire Buses, while Public Buses such as SBS Transit and SMRT are exempted, they do not need to bid for any COE.

If the reason is because Public Buses are considered "Public Transport", then current system where Taxi, which are also classified as "Public Transport" under LTA are exempted from COE bidding since Y2012 is correct.

Ref LTA definition of Public Transport: https://www.lta.gov.sg/content/ltaweb/en/public-transport.html

[xul]

the problem in singapore is we just looked at the numbers. There are people who rely on cars because public transport doesn't serve their need. No matter how good the public transport is it will never cover all the needs. Pushing the COE to sky high will only affect the average joe, but for the rich it is just a number. Should driving be a privilege of the rich? Rich need the convenience of having a car, but the average people don't? Rich can have 3 or 4 cars in one household and yet the average people can't afford a basic b&b car. If the policy maker just focus on collecting more $, and ignore the sentiment of the people, it will backfire...

Everyone wants convenience. Roads cannot support everyone driving their own car. If money is not used to discourage people from driving then what else can? Of course I am also upset with high coe but what other solution is there for land scarce Singapore?

[Watwheels]

For me, I highly doubt LTA will allow cab companies to do their own bidding. I could be wrong.

The reason I say this is becos when it comes to public transport the authorities will want absolute control over it. If there are to be fierce competition or ppl get to manipulate the systems already in place...they will have none of it. Fierce competition may cause taxi drivers to start strikes like in Europe blocking all the major roads with their taxis causing the city to grind to a stop. My guess is LTA will do the usual of putting a cap to the taxis population and maybe tweak the current system a little. They will not allow such big changes.

 

They wont want any major changes upsetting the public transport which can potentially grind Sgp to a halt. They learn from last time the bus companies riots in the 50s. How much chaos it can cause to the island. That's why I say they would want absolute control over all aspects of the public transport system.

the problem in singapore is we just looked at the numbers. There are people who rely on cars because public transport doesn't serve their need. No matter how good the public transport is it will never cover all the needs. Pushing the COE to sky high will only affect the average joe, but for the rich it is just a number. Should driving be a privilege of the rich? Rich need the convenience of having a car, but the average people don't? Rich can have 3 or 4 cars in one household and yet the average people can't afford a basic b&b car.  If the policy maker just focus on collecting more $, and ignore the sentiment of the people, it will backfire... 

 

It's all about better management of your time when you have a car. You dont need to waste time waiting or calling or using a app. There's also the freedom whereby you just get into your car and go. If we were to be like depend on the public transport to do deliveries we will all be dead. LoL... Public transport isn't the solution to all the road problems. What is difficult is striking a balance with our limited roads.

[Lotr]

the problem in singapore is we just looked at the numbers. There are people who rely on cars because public transport doesn't serve their need. No matter how good the public transport is it will never cover all the needs. Pushing the COE to sky high will only affect the average joe, but for the rich it is just a number. Should driving be a privilege of the rich? Rich need the convenience of having a car, but the average people don't? Rich can have 3 or 4 cars in one household and yet the average people can't afford a basic b&b car. If the policy maker just focus on collecting more $, and ignore the sentiment of the people, it will backfire...

Yes, very true. All I can say is vote wisely.

[Heman75]

Buses can carry 30-80 people in the space occupied by 2 cars.

 

Taxi can carry 4-5 people in the space occupied by 1 car.

 

COE is about managing congestion. Do the math

well to be more specific . it is the coe quota that manage the congestion . it doesnt matter where you put the taxi . it is still the same effect on congestion . it is about the number of cars on the road and not number of ppl in the car . what makes you so sure taxi always carry 4 to 5 ? i take taxi too and always myself . 

[Mockngbrd]

the problem in singapore is we just looked at the numbers. There are people who rely on cars because public transport doesn't serve their need. No matter how good the public transport is it will never cover all the needs. Pushing the COE to sky high will only affect the average joe, but for the rich it is just a number. Should driving be a privilege of the rich? Rich need the convenience of having a car, but the average people don't? Rich can have 3 or 4 cars in one household and yet the average people can't afford a basic b&b car. If the policy maker just focus on collecting more $, and ignore the sentiment of the people, it will backfire...

Backfire how?

[Heman75]

Yes but that only bolster my argument since taxis are by far the greatest contributors to congestion. they are always on the road thruout the entire shift of a taxi driver. whereas we who own car go to work, park, come out for lunch (sometimes), go home, park, go out for dinner (sometimes).... far lower usage of the road than a taxi

 

So it is actually that taxis have been benefiting from paying lower tax relative to their contribution to congestion - inspite of being for profit-making use of the car - ever since COE came about

 

Consider the fact that many ppl who use a taxi to work and back every day - still can spend less than buying a car in terms of annual transport cost. Yet they contribute as much to congestion as a car owner. And the taxi they use twice a day continues to contribute congestion the rest of the day long. My point is private car owners pay way too much a share of the congestion tax compare to PHV and taxi

Is ok. I dont think you got my point.