2020 8th Generation Hyundai Sonata (DN8)

[teomingern]

That was classic fear mongering tactics used by LTA. The fact that Cat B COE prices didnt shoot way up these days speaks alot about the validity of such claims in real life.

 

But high tech engines are here to stay. So in theory every car sold in SG will kenna CEVS penalty in time to come...when those antique engines simply couldn't meet say, Euro 7 standards or something. Big income for our gov again. More tech, more penalty...

How is capping the power output fear mongering? The profit margin of a premium brand is far greater than any of the Korean or Japanese brands in the same category... the higher margins means that these authorized dealer can bid much higher for the COE and that means much higher COE premiums for all... including those who may need cars for their livelihoods but don't earn as much as those who can afford premium car brands...

[StingerGT]

If priced at $150,000,Buyers will said why not fork out a bit more get the Stinger 2.0.?RWD somemore.

 

Don't need to fork out abit more. Stinger should be $150K thereabouts. Listed price and nett price got some difference 

[DK3410]

I think some ppl need to do some reading.

 

The reason why direct fuel injection engines are not favoured over port fuel injection engines is due to more particulates produced at the exhaust. Much like the particulates diesel engine produce they are harmful to our health. Something car makers fail to mention. They only market the good stuff. LTA/NEA knows it cos when they do new car holomogation using their test equipement the figures don't lie.

Direct Fuel Injection engines produces more harmful particulates dan multi port fuel injectiopn engines(MPI).

 

One misconception is that ppl think direct fuel injection is something new. No it's not. It's used way back in motorsports when Audi is still called Auto Union and when first used in mass production cars it was the merc sls with the gull wing doors back in the 60s.

 

The Japanese are familiar with all these engine developements and they are reluctant to use direct fuel injection engine becos at engine idling speeds its pollution is at its highest becos the combustion is at its most inefficient becos of the large amount of unburn fuel. That's where some car makers intro the engine start/stop at traffic lights. To eliminate the above but drivers choose to off it making it redundant.

 

The Japanese introduced both MPI and DFI in their engines to get the best of both worlds. MPI mode in lower engine loads and DFI at higher engine loads. Toyota can even alter the engine Otto cycle to Atkinson cycle at low engine loads. Making their engines even more efficient.

 

Not all car buyers are into horsepower that most car makers try to sell as their selling point. End of the day most car buyers want low running cost and low fuel bill. I see some ppl buy high hp SUV and rant about the disappointing fuel economy. It's either you choose high hp and forget about fuel economy or choose a boring/predictable car for fuel efficiency and low running cost. Dont be fooled by what others say.

 

Actually, Engineering is like that. Yin and Yang. Very rarely when you tweak something you get the best of both worlds. In most cases it's a compromise.

 

Anyway, something for people to understand about the difference between multi-point (port) injection vs direct injection:

 

 

 

Edited March 18, 2019 by DK3410

[Alfc]

Just saw the Korean launch videos of the Sonata. 

Impressively moving upmarket, I am not surprised if they position the car locally in the $140k-$150k range (based on today's COE), assuming the top spec is at least the same, if not better, than the LF. 

Still good value but a different ball game as brand positioning comes into play.

[Daniu82]

Nobody will buy it if it's really priced at 140k to 150k. Just see now many current model Sonata are there on the roads now.

Just saw the Korean launch videos of the Sonata. 

Impressively moving upmarket, I am not surprised if they position the car locally in the $140k-$150k range (based on today's COE), assuming the top spec is at least the same, if not better, than the LF. 

Still good value but a different ball game as brand positioning comes into play.

 

[Cheefarn]

Nobody will buy it if it's really priced at 140k to 150k. Just see now many current model Sonata are there on the roads now.

Nobody buys becos of that weak and gas guzzling 2L Theta II NA engine in our local spec LF Sonata. And the LF Sonata styling is too boring liao.

 

The previous YF Sonata (aka i45) was doing quite ok becos back then, one can still choose the 2.4L Theta II. Although it drinks even more, but power op was significantly better in keeping up with traffic

 

It is very frustrating and even dangerous to drive such under powered cars on SG roads. U need to keep pedal to the metal most of the time and that surely zap alot of fuel. 

 

Marketing tricks can only get customers into the showroom, but the utter lack of power and refinement from the old Theta II will make customers leave the showroom immediately after the test drive. 

[Lala81]

 

Strong hints of Audi (Q7) and maybe even the current Civic Sedan. And the extended LED DRL, which combined with the long chrome stripe across the entire bonnet is a board move... Let see Hyundai will become the trend setter this time...

 

 

 

 

 

Hyundai Motor revealed first images of its next-generation Sonata, showcasing a sporty four-door-coupe look.

 

The eighth-generation Hyundai Sonata embodies Hyundai's Sensuous Sportiness design concept. It is a fully transformed vehicle following the release of the seventh-generation Sonata in March 2017.

 

"Sonata celebrates innovative coupe-like silhouette," said Sang Yup Lee, senior vice president and head of the Hyundai Design Center. "A short overhang, sloping roofline and low deck lid create a balanced feel, and Hyundai's signature chrome accent now goes all the way into the hood, making it look even longer. It also has LED lighting built in. These cues bring the Sensuous Sportiness design to life."

 

The all-new Sonata takes its inspiration from the award-winning Le Fil Rouge concept, which debuted at the 2018 Geneva International Motor Show. Like the concept car, the production Sonata attracts immediate attention with its Sensuous Sportiness design.

 

Sensuous Sportiness is defined by the harmony between four fundamental elements in vehicle design: proportion, architecture, styling and technology. Sonata has a distinct tension on the side using a harmonious blend of layered crisp body lines and pure volumes. Concave and convex forms are also carefully orchestrated to provide a sexy, coupe-like character.

 

The new Hyundai Sonata has a much sportier look than its predecessor, with a 30 mm lower height and a width extended by 25 mm. Its wheelbase is enlarged by 35 mm, and its whole length by 45 mm.

 

 

The new Sonata's frontal section is defined by two elements: a bold, voluminous shape evoking a smooth sphere and a cleanly demarcated hood.

 

Furthermore, the Digital Pulse Cascading Grille, which resembles the grille of a sports car with its rhythmic visuals, is sleekly connected to the hood, strengthening the overall perception of the front.

 

In particular, the Daytime Running Lights, embedded with Hidden Lighting Lamps-the first for a Hyundai vehicle-are a chief design innovation that incorporates state-of-the-art lighting technology, forming the Sonata's light architecture. The Hidden Lighting Lamps appear to be of a chromic material when switched off and become dramatically lit when turned on.

 

The light architecture was initially revealed through Hyundai's HDC-2 concept car at the Busan Motor Show in June last year. It was created by fleshing out the form of the lamp and making it into a powerful design element. Along with the Sensuous Sportiness concept, the light architecture defines the design identity of future Hyundai cars.

 

The side sections of the Sonata are accentuated by the light architecture, which connects two chromic lines seamlessly linking the windows and daytime running lights. Through these two characteristic lines, the Sonata effuses an athletic and elegant charm.

 

The all-new Hyundai Sonata has a wide, layered long hood, a very low stance and a sleek roofline. The feeling of width is also achieved with ultra-wide taillights.

 

The light architecture is also applied to the interior space with the ambient mood lamp illuminating dashboard and doors.

 

In the interior, the instrument panel is rich and modern, and the recognizable winged shape is inspired by a Stealth aircraft. This shape almost levitates or floats when looked at, and this philosophy carries into the long armrests. Satin chrome accents enhance this effect. Designers compressed the height of the dashboard and HVAC vents as much as possible to aid the light-weight feeling, while modern, light fabric colors and leathers provide a fresh and freeing ambience for the driver. The clean and sleek design is carried through the center-gauge cluster display. Designers aimed to alleviate the distracting large screens featured in many luxury cars today and instead threaded the two displays together on the 2020 Sonata, using a unique S curve. These displays are seamless, with no parting lines, and have capacitive touch buttons. Additional features include a satin chrome accent on the steering wheel, which looks like an aircraft yoke, and shift-by-wire transmission controls to free up storage space.

Ugly. Don't really like the latest hyundai design language

[teomingern]

Nobody will buy it if it's really priced at 140k to 150k. Just see now many current model Sonata are there on the roads now.

 

That depends on the relative price of the other cars in the same segment... the YF Sonata (i45) cost up to $158,000 and there are still a number on the road, cos the rest of the segment were much much higher in price then... at the current market prices, of course it won't sell at all...

[teomingern]

Nobody buys becos of that weak and gas guzzling 2L Theta II NA engine in our local spec LF Sonata. And the LF Sonata styling is too boring liao.

 

The previous YF Sonata (aka i45) was doing quite ok becos back then, one can still choose the 2.4L Theta II. Although it drinks even more, but power op was significantly better in keeping up with traffic

 

It is very frustrating and even dangerous to drive such under powered cars on SG roads. U need to keep pedal to the metal most of the time and that surely zap alot of fuel. 

 

Marketing tricks can only get customers into the showroom, but the utter lack of power and refinement from the old Theta II will make customers leave the showroom immediately after the test drive. 

 

It's an exaggeration to say that you have to keep pedal to metal to keep up lar... I'm driving the 2.0L Theta II LF Sonata now... the engine is powerful enough... yes it isn't the most efficient or powerful, but in our context, definitely sufficient. And the 2.0 L Theta II is quite refined already... its the gearbox and its programming that needs an update. But this car is positioned as an executive cruiser, not a sports executive sedan... so I certainly don't expect it to perform like one... it drives best when cruising... which I like to do... and really I don't drive pedal to metal all the time just to keep pace with the traffic... a quick press on the pedal to gear down from 6th to 4th and send the RPM up to 4000 is enough to send the car forward fast enough to match most vehicles except those sports sedans with powerful turbo engines... and this press of the pedal doesn't reach the metal... the only exception is on NSHW when I need to go from 120 km/h to 170 km/h and really quickly uphill... that's the only time I have to do pedal to metal driving... hahaha...

 

My 2 cents as a user for 3 years already... :)

[Alfc]

Nobody buys becos of that weak and gas guzzling 2L Theta II NA engine in our local spec LF Sonata. And the LF Sonata styling is too boring liao.

 

The previous YF Sonata (aka i45) was doing quite ok becos back then, one can still choose the 2.4L Theta II. Although it drinks even more, but power op was significantly better in keeping up with traffic

 

It is very frustrating and even dangerous to drive such under powered cars on SG roads. U need to keep pedal to the metal most of the time and that surely zap alot of fuel. 

 

Marketing tricks can only get customers into the showroom, but the utter lack of power and refinement from the old Theta II will make customers leave the showroom immediately after the test drive. 

I will just say there will be few takers at $140k simply because it is a Hyundai. That is still the market here.

Have not even look at spec and yet perception already there that it would not sell.

Even if you put in the latest engine, I dun kid myself that it will sell.

It's an exaggeration to say that you have to keep pedal to metal to keep up lar... I'm driving the 2.0L Theta II LF Sonata now... the engine is powerful enough... yes it isn't the most efficient or powerful, but in our context, definitely sufficient. And the 2.0 L Theta II is quite refined already... its the gearbox and its programming that needs an update. But this car is positioned as an executive cruiser, not a sports executive sedan... so I certainly don't expect it to perform like one... it drives best when cruising... which I like to do... and really I don't drive pedal to metal all the time just to keep pace with the traffic... a quick press on the pedal to gear down from 6th to 4th and send the RPM up to 4000 is enough to send the car forward fast enough to match most vehicles except those sports sedans with powerful turbo engines... and this press of the pedal doesn't reach the metal... the only exception is on NSHW when I need to go from 120 km/h to 170 km/h and really quickly uphill... that's the only time I have to do pedal to metal driving... hahaha...

 

My 2 cents as a user for 3 years already... :)

Exactly! See perception again. We attest to it because this is our experience, not gut feel or hearsay or perception.

 

Hence, it is still and will continue to appeal to only very niche market.

[Cheefarn]

I will just say there will be few takers at $140k simply because it is a Hyundai. That is still the market here.

Have not even look at spec and yet perception already there that it would not sell.

Even if you put in the latest engine, I dun kid myself that it will sell.

 

Hence, it is still and will continue to appeal to only very niche market.

Well the new Santa Fe is doing ok, and it can cost $170k for the 2.2CRDi sunroof version. these days.

 

And the Sorento is quite common on the road despite costing over 140k for the SX 2.2 CRDi

 

Ya prob they can sell becos they are full sized SUVs

[teomingern]

Well the new Santa Fe is doing ok, and it can cost $170k for the 2.2CRDi sunroof version. these days.

 

And the Sorento is quite common on the road despite costing over 140k for the SX 2.2 CRDi

 

Ya prob they can sell becos they are full sized SUVs

Santa Fe doing ok meh? I hardly see any on the road... the Sorento appealed due to the diesel engine... but that appeal has more or less vanished due to the change in the tax structure for diesel powered private cars...

Going back on topic... the more I look at the yellow gold paint scheme, the more I like it... maybe cos it's just unique to the car... special paint scheme... hope it makes it to Singapore and someone selects that colour... can enjoy seeing it on the road... ha ha...

 

And looking at the tire markings, Hyundai still insists on using a rather less common 235/45/R18 rim rather than the more common standard 245/45/R18 rim... makes it more difficult to find tires, and less variety, and usually only the more expensive brands carry this size...

Edited March 21, 2019 by teomingern

[Spurman]

Lets wait for the car in flesh.

 

I am pretty sure this car will sell well anywhere but singapore and malaysia.

 

Time is against this ride though in singapore.

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Coe is creeping upwards.

Mazda 6 is winning sales hands down in this segment against camry, accord and passat. Price perhaps the biggest factor. 105k vs 130k for the next competition.

 

I kinda like the beigey interior shown in the launch vids of the new sonata. I suggest komocco bring in this trim instead of all black. All black seems to make the car less premium. Maybe its my personnal opinion though.

[Cheefarn]

Santa Fe doing ok meh? I hardly see any on the road... the Sorento appealed due to the diesel engine... but that appeal has more or less vanished due to the change in the tax structure for diesel powered private cars...

Going back on topic... the more I look at the yellow gold paint scheme, the more I like it... maybe cos it's just unique to the car... special paint scheme... hope it makes it to Singapore and someone selects that colour... can enjoy seeing it on the road... ha ha...

 

And looking at the tire markings, Hyundai still insists on using a rather less common 235/45/R18 rim rather than the more common standard 245/45/R18 rim... makes it more difficult to find tires, and less variety, and usually only the more expensive brands carry this size...

Sorento is still in the $140k range despite $10k penalty

 

Hyundai group 2.2 CRDi is one of the best diesel engines money can buy on the market. Power n torque op notwithstanding, the refinement and smoothness the engine can offer can rival Hyundai own 2.4L GDI. It is very quiet for a diesel too

[teomingern]

Lets wait for the car in flesh.

 

I am pretty sure this car will sell well anywhere but singapore and malaysia.

 

Time is against this ride though in singapore.

à

Coe is creeping upwards.

Mazda 6 is winning sales hands down in this segment against camry, accord and passat. Price perhaps the biggest factor. 105k vs 130k for the next competition.

 

I kinda like the beigey interior shown in the launch vids of the new sonata. I suggest komocco bring in this trim instead of all black. All black seems to make the car less premium. Maybe its my personnal opinion though.

I agree... but the German marques are usually all black too... I prefer the brown interior type... milk tea colour...

[Spurman]

I agree... but the German marques are usually all black too... I prefer the brown interior type... milk tea colour...

No leh. German marques got so much more options. Hehe. Pi lesser but those ad usually more. Bmw. Merc got more combos.

Cnc and pml boleh in this case. But then again the margins r much higher to prob offer more options.

 

I do feel older ppl love beigey interiors. Hehe. Maybe to me. Blacky is too plasticy feel.

[Samlimlp]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TqdQAJJRd2Q

[Ceecookie]

Lets wait for the car in flesh.

 

I am pretty sure this car will sell well anywhere but singapore and malaysia.

 

Time is against this ride though in singapore.

Ã

Coe is creeping upwards.

Mazda 6 is winning sales hands down in this segment against camry, accord and passat. Price perhaps the biggest factor. 105k vs 130k for the next competition.

 

I kinda like the beigey interior shown in the launch vids of the new sonata. I suggest komocco bring in this trim instead of all black. All black seems to make the car less premium. Maybe its my personnal opinion though.

Reason why TEK is pricing the 6 from 100k range onward now is coz this model is nearing the EOL stage - the 4th generation is due to be unveiled next year though TEK probably get its stock much later.

 

So comparing the current 6 against Sonata isn't apple to apple comparison.

 

I believe they also lelong the mz3 premium before stock cleared in end last year.

Edited March 23, 2019 by Ceecookie